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Ethan Swiftblade
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.26 13:27:00 -
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Hello everyone,
I've looked everywhere to understand if the T3s will be nerfed in the next future or not... everyone is talking about it but not a real post from devs or anything.
Why I ask is, i am currently perfecting 3 accounts, one tengu, one proteus, one loki, and i would love to know if its time wasted from my side... If i should look into other ships instead?
Will tengu be able to RR in C4s? Will proteus / loki still be good for solo roaming pvp in wormholes?
Please let me know with advices on what would you do, |
Adelise Arran
I Swear She Was 18
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Posted - 2013.02.26 13:35:00 -
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For missile nerf is Tengu not good as before but nerf missile also Legion but not assault. Proteus blaster is honeycombing so for good and not nerf gank also good point range but short range blasters
Loki good shield tank no missile, web nice when gank |
Chitsa Jason
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
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Posted - 2013.02.26 14:19:00 -
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According to the CSM minutes CCP want to nerf T3 tank and speed. Chitsa Jason for CSM 8 Twitter:-á@ChitsaJason Skype: Casparas
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Adelise Arran
I Swear She Was 18
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Posted - 2013.02.26 14:26:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:According to the CSM minutes CCP want to nerf T3 tank and speed.
He meaan tech 3 not teir 3 |
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
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Posted - 2013.02.26 14:58:00 -
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There has been no official word besides they want to, however many of our best guess is that its the tank that you will see being reduces. Not as much shield rr tengus but the other 3. Armor tanking T3s become far too sturdy with the addition of 1600s ( sometimes multiple).
Regardless of what ccp does I would not consider it a waste of time as knowing CCP it will be quite a while before they get to it. |
Doc Hollidai
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:42:00 -
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ExookiZ wrote: Armor tanking T3s become far too sturdy with the addition of 1600s ( sometimes multiple).
Tech 3's with huge tanks are the counter to this supposed "dread blapping"... |
Ethan Swiftblade
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:54:00 -
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ExookiZ wrote:There has been no official word besides they want to, however many of our best guess is that its the tank that you will see being reduces. Not as much shield rr tengus but the other 3. Armor tanking T3s become far too sturdy with the addition of 1600s ( sometimes multiple).
Regardless of what ccp does I would not consider it a waste of time as knowing CCP it will be quite a while before they get to it.
Thank you, this answer at least makes me keep going on the goal proposed 4 months ago. |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:22:00 -
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Some how I wouldn't doubt it if they did. |
Ethan Swiftblade
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.26 17:21:00 -
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I dont know how you all do it, but for me, when i plan for a 6months - 1 year skill plan... would love to know from way ahead of time if things gets nerfed..... :S |
chris elliot
EG CORP Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.02.26 19:24:00 -
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Its gonna get nerfed |
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Casirio
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Posted - 2013.02.26 20:45:00 -
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command ships are gonna be the new t3. you shall see. inb4 abso fleets |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.26 20:52:00 -
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Sorry, not going to fly a bil isk ship if it doesn't tank like one. To reduce a T3's tank to something on par with a ship you can buy & fit for less than 300mil and in many cases less than 100mil is just ridiculous. HTFU!...for the children! |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.26 20:54:00 -
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Casirio wrote:command ships are gonna be the new t3. you shall see. inb4 abso fleets
I don't think they're going to be the DPS/Mainline boats you're expecting
December Minutes wrote:To further explain the vision between T1, T2, and T3, Ytterbium pulled up his Command Ship devblog. Ytterbium pointed out that command ships would be very specialized and would get the best bonuses, however they would be limited in their ability to fight and do other things. Ytterbium described that his vision for T3s would let T3s fit more diverse gang links, while being able to do other things GÇô like fight, or use ewar GÇô simultaneously. Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour..
Ayeson for CSM8 |
Casirio
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Posted - 2013.02.26 21:03:00 -
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Ayeson wrote:Casirio wrote:command ships are gonna be the new t3. you shall see. inb4 abso fleets I don't think they're going to be the DPS/Mainline boats you're expecting December Minutes wrote:To further explain the vision between T1, T2, and T3, Ytterbium pulled up his Command Ship devblog. Ytterbium pointed out that command ships would be very specialized and would get the best bonuses, however they would be limited in their ability to fight and do other things. Ytterbium described that his vision for T3s would let T3s fit more diverse gang links, while being able to do other things GÇô like fight, or use ewar GÇô simultaneously.
we will see after T3 gets nerfed and isnt worth losing 1 bil and skill points. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.26 21:17:00 -
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Casirio wrote:Ayeson wrote:Casirio wrote:command ships are gonna be the new t3. you shall see. inb4 abso fleets I don't think they're going to be the DPS/Mainline boats you're expecting December Minutes wrote:To further explain the vision between T1, T2, and T3, Ytterbium pulled up his Command Ship devblog. Ytterbium pointed out that command ships would be very specialized and would get the best bonuses, however they would be limited in their ability to fight and do other things. Ytterbium described that his vision for T3s would let T3s fit more diverse gang links, while being able to do other things GÇô like fight, or use ewar GÇô simultaneously. we will see after T3 gets nerfed and isnt worth losing 1 bil and skill points. and maybe you forgot this chart? http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63522/1/Commandshipchanges2.jpg
Not sure what meaning you're trying to convey with that chart, because it echoes my quote above.
To me, it shows that Command Ships are getting increased link bonus percentages as well as an additional link type. And T3's are getting smaller bonuses but with an additional type of link on top of the command ships.
On the role topic, Just because they put the word combat in there, doesn't mean that it's going to be better at combat than a T3.
Remember, You can call a F-117 a fighter, but its still a bomber/tactical munitions delivery vehicle/whatever. Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour..
Ayeson for CSM8 |
Casirio
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Posted - 2013.02.26 21:21:00 -
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im not trying to argue. I hope T3's arent nerfed to **** but it seems inevitable. I don't see why you think Command Ships wont be able to put out respectable dps, where are you getting that from? |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.26 21:31:00 -
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:not arguing: :)
Command ships do great DPS currently, and I don't think they're going to lose much of that capability, especially with some of the changes on the horizon.
I just don't think CCP/Fozzie will re-balance the T3's in a way that make them a subpar DPS boat to a Command Ship, especially when it seems like CCP is trying to fix command ships and slot them back into the boosting role that was usurped by the T3's. Why would they go ahead and fix that problem, but in doing so create the inverse of that exact same situation? I don't see it happening that way, but I may be wrong.
Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour..
Ayeson for CSM8 |
Casirio
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Posted - 2013.02.26 21:44:00 -
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Cool, well yeah I didn't think you were arguing either. I hope you are right, I do not want T3's to be obsolete, as its the bread and butter of w-space. I guess we shall see. |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2013.02.26 22:58:00 -
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I don't think T3 are going to get a huge nerf per say, however
- The tech 3s will be less effective than command ships at boosting or alternately there will distinct benefits to both sides. - The tech 1 ships are increasing in effectiveness, and the difference between tech 3, tech 2, and tech 1 will decrease. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a bitter small portion of the community. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.26 23:06:00 -
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Ayeson wrote::not arguing:
Command ships do great DPS currently, and I don't think they're going to lose much of that capability, especially with some of the changes on the horizon.
I just don't think CCP/Fozzie will re-balance the T3's in a way that make them a subpar DPS boat to a Command Ship, especially when it seems like CCP is trying to fix command ships and slot them back into the boosting role that was usurped by the T3's. Why would they go ahead and fix that problem, but in doing so create the inverse of that exact same situation? I don't see it happening that way, but I may be wrong.
While I would like to have faith in what you're saying my faith in CCP is so damage by previous examples of fail that I wouldn't bet 1 isk that they don't go overboard and make T3's only slightly desirable as a status symbol and little else. *shrugs*
HTFU!...for the children! |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.02.26 23:31:00 -
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Yeah T3s will all become useless and OBSOLETE, just like all frigs, cruisers and battlecruisers have become lately. CCP wants to destroy the game!
They will surely be nerfed to the ground this is 100% certain and I want my SP back NOW or I'll unsub.
Only thing I'm uncertain is whether this is because of CCP=goons, nullsec zealots or because CCP hates Amarr, Gallente, Caldari and Minmatar.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Trinkets friend
Minmatar-Amarr Man-Boy Love Association
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Posted - 2013.02.26 23:57:00 -
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If you look at what Fozzie has done recently, it has been to reduce tanks and increase gank factors on all but a few ships (notably incursus, brutix/myrm, prophecy). The recent BC debalance showed his philosophy: geenerally reduce fitting statistics to make everything a compromise to fit, thereby weakening it, while making a few formerly crappy ships ridiculous at active bait tanking so they become FOTM and then everyone will go back to nano gangs with boosts, as per usual.
The issue with the strategic cruiser lineup at the moment is not ISK/effectiveness, it is the raw anomaly in nett effectiveness which they represent. Given the limitless ISK available to w-space denizens to bling out your chariot with faction and deadspace modules, and the relative cheapness of dreads and carrriers compared to these pimpmobile strat cruiser fleets, this creates a metagame where fleets of ships which would otherwise be godlike are now the daily bread and butter.
But do not forget, the entirely of w-space, including the scrubby nubbinses bumbling about C1's, is less than 8% of the entire population of EVE, as measured by acttive toons in wormholes. Given you all have 3 accounts subbed, that means, realistically, you represent maybe 3-4% of the player base. You are not quite the 1%, but pretty damn close.
Thus, while you may cry and twist your panties at the thought of a billion ISK strat cruiser being nerfed, the reality is that outside wormholes, the extreme gank and tank of a strat cruiser isn't vulnerable because it is actually harder to deploy dreads and carriers in k-space than in C5 brawls. So, while you complain or chortle about dread blapping and so on, the reality is it is such a nonevent problem that it is irrelevant to the game as a whole because less than 1% of people are ever going to be at risk of being Vindi/Vigi webbed and blapped by three Moros - it certainly never happens in k-space!
So, strategic cruisers will be balanced for k-space. This is good, and bad for w-space dwellers. On the one hand, the balance will be aimed at trimming back insane tanks (+120K EHP) to 'reasonable' levels as far as Fozzie sees it, and might result in more gankiness out of a wider variety of T3 cruisers, or maybe trimming back the 1000 DPS Proteii. it will certainly involve the long-needed nerfing of boosting T3's which aren't as much of a feature of w-space and hardly the pain in the balls they are for everyone in lowsec.
However, it may result in better functionality for boosting and covert configurations, both for PVP and PVE, allowing better tanks and more gank to go with specialised fits which, right now, are pretty one-dimensional and failsauce. This will be good for w-space because you can bring a cloaky nullified T3 with you, or a covert proby T3 with actual DPS and tank.
And in the end, you'll still have extreme fits when people have enough time and ISk to EFT-up mutant varieties of the normal k-space T3's. You will still have dread blapping. Your T3 might not survive the first volley as easily, so all you need to do is change tactics. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Orlacc
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Posted - 2013.02.27 01:09:00 -
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First off, what has this got to do with wormholes? Secondly it's all rumor at this point. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 02:48:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Stuff
So what you're saying is, any income level capable of fielding bling ships that rival null's ability to field them should therefore have those ships nerf making the income from w-space ultimately pointless?
HTFU!...for the children! |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2013.02.27 04:17:00 -
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Doc Hollidai wrote:ExookiZ wrote: Armor tanking T3s become far too sturdy with the addition of 1600s ( sometimes multiple).
Tech 3's with huge tanks are the counter to this supposed "dread blapping"...
rrriiiiiiiiggggghhhhhtttttt......
Quote:I just don't think CCP/Fozzie will re-balance the T3's in a way that make them a subpar DPS boat to a Command Ship they already are a worse DPS boat than CSs unless youre flying caldari. astarte, sleipnir and abo all do considerably more DPS than their T3s.
(obviously there are other dissadvantages to CSs vs T3s.)
PS: Trinket, your post was a truly perfect example of utter ignorance. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.02.27 05:35:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:First off, what has this got to do with wormholes? Secondly it's all rumor at this point.
Everything. T3s are made from wormhole resources and are the standard fleet line ships here.
And TF is right, T3s are not balanced in k-space, where the working class zeroes, the 99% live.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Ethan Swiftblade
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:34:00 -
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Ok, lets assume T3s will get nerfed due to k-space ballance....
What options do we have for subcap pilots? What do we need to focus on?
For eg. instead RR tengus what would you choose? Dont say NH, cause it doesnt work....
I am curious also on any other ideas, for us wormhole dwellers. |
Rek Seven
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Posted - 2013.02.27 09:35:00 -
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With the re-balance and buff of the T1 ships, there is no real argument for nerfing T3's anymore. There is only one subsystem that i can think of that needs a "nerf"
If anything, some subsystems should be buffed to to make them a viable alternative to the current most popular subs. For example the logi sub could do with a range bonus and the drone subs should have their turret bones removed and their drone bonuses increased.
Is my bitter vet membership card in the mail? |
chris elliot
EG CORP Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.02.27 09:46:00 -
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So long as Ytterbium doesn't get to fiddle with them they should be ok.
With Fozzies rebalanceing of the sub t3 classes though there should be very little need to "nerf" them in the traditional sense when it comes to t3's. I can think of a few subs that are ridiculously underused and could use some love but those are rather fringe cases when they arrive. |
Rek Seven
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Posted - 2013.02.27 09:58:00 -
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Roime wrote: And TF is right, T3s are not balanced in k-space, where the working class zeroes, the 99% live.
How did you arrive at that conclusion?
I think you are confusing "k-space" with "high sec". I don't see many wormholers taking their pimped out T3's and fighting people in HS...
Is my bitter vet membership card in the mail? |
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