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FS JitaTrader
Pay As You Go
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Posted - 2013.02.26 14:49:00 -
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Hi
Im looking for any advice from people that do exploration and fly missile boats !
I've never dipped into exploration before and i am eager to try it, i found a very useful video on YT from JohnnyPew with his All-In-One Vexor fit.
Now i have been pure caldari for yonks and i'm looking for any advice on ships that could possibly do what he posted from people that either do it or have done it.
Now i have terribad gunnery skills (pure missiles) and not the greatest drone skills (can still use t2's)
So any advice welcome for a new explorer.
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Mike Whiite
Cupid Stunts. Casoff
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Posted - 2013.02.26 14:57:00 -
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Tengu Gila
should be on of those.
though Tengu dps sufers when Cover-ops, probe launcher nullifier fit, it can be done, but it's expensive.
HAM launchers, faction fit, with implants.
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Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:06:00 -
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ups.. didn't see you was looking for a missile boat... Gila is not a bad choice. |
Makavelia
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:17:00 -
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This is best i could come up with for something able to do low sec mag/rad and possibly 4.10's with no T3 or T2. Problem is it wil lbe limited to the angel dmg type or similar for the natural shield resist. Maybe dropping the web to use invul or active may allow other faction areas at expence of frigate kill speed.
Cyclone
5x Valkery ll
Sister core probe salvy Imp cloak 2 4x ham ll - faction ammo
MWD Large SB ll meta web (medium drones) analyzer code breaker
2x ballistic 2x drone dmg DMC
Anti kin or anti exp rig rocket fuel rig thruster rig
420 dps 250 tank (1:30 minutes) 23k missile range
My hurricane runs the 4.10's with no problem and mostly the passive 280 tank is too much. The hurricane although has higher dps on paper.. doest not hav such great dps in reality since mostly i am shooting from 20k and they die befor i reach optimal. The cane can also not fit all the modules to hold onto that dps and tank.
So as it looks, this cyclone fit will put out more effective dps than my cane even whilst the cyclone has all exporation mods fitted. The tank for 1:30 should be enough to gank any cruiser/bc's with the medium drones+hams before 1:00 leaving infinate time to SB pulse after that (like you do with the mealstrom in L4's).
It may not be the good fit but it looks dangerously fun and i will try it for that ;p. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
583
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Posted - 2013.02.26 17:17:00 -
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Gila is the sensible choice, for what your looking for.
It can easily fit Probe Launcher, Salvager, Code Breaker & Analyser along with a decent tank and minor missile dps
Combined it with a Venture you will be able to access/harvest any type of site, with a minimum ship outlay. |
Orlacc
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Posted - 2013.02.26 17:24:00 -
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Any of the above. |
Id hitthat
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:14:00 -
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The two choices you have is a) do I really really need cov op cloak? b) do I want to do radar/mag sites aswell or only cherry pick good combat sites.
If you answer yes to a you have to get a tengu with bad dps and expensive fit. If you answer yes to b you have to get a gila.
Myself I'd probably just cherry pick good combat sites, go with a tengu with normal cloak (not cov op) and interdiction nullifier. |
Dark Reignz
Four-Q
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:23:00 -
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Here's the best advice ever....
Stick to Jita trading/ Scamming. There is already too many people doing exploration and thanx to T3 cruisers and loot nerfage, there simply isn't enough decent plexes or loot to roll. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:25:00 -
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Dark Reignz wrote:Here's the best advice ever....
Stick to Jita trading/ Scamming. There is already too many people doing exploration and thanx to T3 cruisers and loot nerfage, there simply isn't enough decent plexes or loot to roll.
plexes respawn right after people clear them. ie I find nearly as many plexes with 50,000 people on the server as I do with 20,000.
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Dante Uisen
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:27:00 -
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Id hitthat wrote:The two choices you have is a) do I really really need cov op cloak? b) do I want to do radar/mag sites aswell or only cherry pick good combat sites.
If you answer yes to a you have to get a tengu with bad dps and expensive fit. If you answer yes to b you have to get a gila.
Myself I'd probably just cherry pick good combat sites, go with a tengu with normal cloak (not cov op) and interdiction nullifier.
Unless you are exploring in null-sec, the interdiction nullifier not very useful. Unless you are exploring in null or low-sec, normal or covert cloak is not very useful.
Judging from the skills description the OP gave, i don't think bringing a Tengu to low or null-sec in the best advice. That said the Tengu is still a very good hi-sec exploration ship, and it's possible to swap sub-systems once the training wheels come of and low/null is a viable option. |
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AGSeeker
Crytek Network
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:28:00 -
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Id hitthat wrote:The two choices you have is a) do I really really need cov op cloak? b) do I want to do radar/mag sites aswell or only cherry pick good combat sites.
If you answer yes to a you have to get a tengu with bad dps and expensive fit. If you answer yes to b you have to get a gila.
Myself I'd probably just cherry pick good combat sites, go with a tengu with normal cloak (not cov op) and interdiction nullifier.
So... if i ask u the question "Do u want to do radar/mag sites aswell or only cherry pick good combat sites?" your will reply with "yes"? :)
On Topic: Will u only be in hi-sec or will u want to go to low-sec and below? If u stay in hi-sec, u will not need the Cov Ops sub. |
Dark Reignz
Four-Q
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:37:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Dark Reignz wrote:Here's the best advice ever....
Stick to Jita trading/ Scamming. There is already too many people doing exploration and thanx to T3 cruisers and loot nerfage, there simply isn't enough decent plexes or loot to roll. plexes respawn right after people clear them. ie I find nearly as many plexes with 50,000 people on the server as I do with 20,000.
Can you link me to some hard concrete proof that for example, when I complete a GSO that it immediately respawns in the same region as exactly the same type of exploration site. Because I'm really loosing faith in that notion, having only found about 3 or 4 max in the past month. And that's even spending up14 hours some days, whizzing back and forth through a certain favourite region of mine which used to fair me well.
I also know the exact base signal range with my setup so I know when I've found one the second my first scan completes.
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St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1150
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Posted - 2013.02.27 08:01:00 -
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It isn't limited to respawning in the exact same region, but it's definitely the same site respawning, otherwise eventually there would be nothing left to run in highsec except Drone sites and Gravimetrics. I found 6 in a few hours scanning on Saturday, including ones that respawned after I'd visited the formerly empty system an hour or two earlier. |
Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
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Posted - 2013.02.27 09:18:00 -
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St Mio wrote:It isn't limited to respawning in the exact same region, but it's definitely the same site respawning, otherwise eventually there would be nothing left to run in highsec except Drone sites and Gravimetrics. I found 6 in a few hours scanning on Saturday, including ones that respawned after I'd visited the formerly empty system an hour or two earlier.
The only thing known for sure is that new signatures spawn after downtime, weather or not they instantly spawn once completed has never been confirmed, same goes for the location they can spawn in.
I've been scanning the same 7 systems in circular order, for a period of 2-3 months. And there is very little consistency is the amount of combat sites that spawn, during the time period 17-21 eve time.
I noticed that the chance of finding new combat site was greatest 7-9 eve time, which probably has to do with fewer people being online around this period. Which makes me believe that there is some connection between the amount of players online, and the probability of finding a combat site.
Over the 2-3 months i noticed a general decrease in site found and income made, but also a increase in players in the same area, so it's really not surprising.
It hard to confirm that server population has a direct influence on the amount of sites you find, but increased competition from other explorers does reduce the amount of sites you find, and increased server population is likely to increase the chance that someone else is exploring in the same area as you.
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Makavelia
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.27 09:42:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:St Mio wrote:It isn't limited to respawning in the exact same region, but it's definitely the same site respawning, otherwise eventually there would be nothing left to run in highsec except Drone sites and Gravimetrics. I found 6 in a few hours scanning on Saturday, including ones that respawned after I'd visited the formerly empty system an hour or two earlier. The only thing known for sure is that new signatures spawn after downtime, weather or not they instantly spawn once completed has never been confirmed, same goes for the location they can spawn in. I've been scanning the same 7 systems in circular order, for a period of 2-3 months. And there is very little consistency is the amount of combat sites that spawn, during the time period 17-21 eve time. I noticed that the chance of finding new combat site was greatest 7-9 eve time, which probably has to do with fewer people being online around this period. Which makes me believe that there is some connection between the amount of players online, and the probability of finding a combat site. Over the 2-3 months i noticed a general decrease in site found and income made, but also a increase in players in the same area, so it's really not surprising. It hard to confirm that server population has a direct influence on the amount of sites you find, but increased competition from other explorers does reduce the amount of sites you find, and increased server population is likely to increase the chance that someone else is exploring in the same area as you.
I know this feeling. I had a nice high sec island of some 10 systems in gal.. but it didnt last long. Now when i go there every other system has sisters out. Similar story to a nice low sec place i had in matar space.
So now i roam in amar space and i only do rad/mags.. since they are often over looked by people. It;s bad isk but at-least i get sites to run.
As with the old ways i enjoyed exploration for what it was.. and am happy to make enough isk just to get by. But it kinde gets past the enjoyment when you can'tfind any sites to run. I was happy to run the blood combat sites with all the neuting and talks of bad loot.. but when they put 5x TD's on me it was beyound what i have patience for ( i have a lot). BAd days to be an explorer ;[.. and like everything else i enjoy (BS pvp) the answer always points toward shifting to nul sec again ;/. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2013.02.27 09:46:00 -
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Dark Reignz wrote:Tauranon wrote:Dark Reignz wrote:Here's the best advice ever....
Stick to Jita trading/ Scamming. There is already too many people doing exploration and thanx to T3 cruisers and loot nerfage, there simply isn't enough decent plexes or loot to roll. plexes respawn right after people clear them. ie I find nearly as many plexes with 50,000 people on the server as I do with 20,000. Can you link me to some hard concrete proof that for example, when I complete a GSO that it immediately respawns in the same region as exactly the same type of exploration site. Because I'm really loosing faith in that notion, having only found about 3 or 4 max in the past month. And that's even spending up14 hours some days, whizzing back and forth through a certain favourite region of mine which used to fair me well. I also know the exact base signal range with my setup so I know when I've found one the second my first scan completes.
There isn't any such proof, because its not what I said they do, and not what any evidence has shown they do. *If there are 200 systems that a GSO can spawn in, then when you despawn it, there is a 1:200 chance that it will respawn right back in the system that you despawned it from. Such coincidences have been noted over time.
Likewise the other coincidences that *if there are 10 GSO sigs and 200 applicable systems for them to spawn in, there is a 1 in 20 chance that someone despawning a GSO will spawn it in a system that contains a GSO already. As that is a higher chance, that is high enough that I've observed 2 ded4s in 1 system often enough.
*imaginary numbers - the actual numbers are certainly not exactly those.
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Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
74
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Posted - 2013.02.27 09:51:00 -
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Tengu, battleclinic will suffice for a suitible fit. Hyperfleet Industries is selectivly recruiting. Enquire today. Killboard
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poppeteer
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.27 10:01:00 -
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Why bother at all?
As of today, a HIGH SEC radar had THREE battleships in it.
:whatever: :ccp: (bai moar plex) |
Dark Reignz
Four-Q
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Posted - 2013.02.27 10:08:00 -
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St Mio wrote:It isn't limited to respawning in the exact same region, but it's definitely the same site respawning,
Prove the latter please. There's nothing to say that GSO doesnt and cannot respawn as a radar and vise versa for the other types. I'am actually starting to beleive, there is not set amount of any site and never was and when they do respawn that they spawn as a random type too.
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Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.27 10:14:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:St Mio wrote:It isn't limited to respawning in the exact same region, but it's definitely the same site respawning, otherwise eventually there would be nothing left to run in highsec except Drone sites and Gravimetrics. I found 6 in a few hours scanning on Saturday, including ones that respawned after I'd visited the formerly empty system an hour or two earlier. The only thing known for sure is that new signatures spawn after downtime, weather or not they instantly spawn once completed has never been confirmed, same goes for the location they can spawn in. I've been scanning the same 7 systems in circular order, for a period of 2-3 months. And there is very little consistency is the amount of combat sites that spawn, during the time period 17-21 eve time. I noticed that the chance of finding new combat site was greatest 7-9 eve time, which probably has to do with fewer people being online around this period. Which makes me believe that there is some connection between the amount of players online, and the probability of finding a combat site. Over the 2-3 months i noticed a general decrease in site found and income made, but also a increase in players in the same area, so it's really not surprising. It hard to confirm that server population has a direct influence on the amount of sites you find, but increased competition from other explorers does reduce the amount of sites you find, and increased server population is likely to increase the chance that someone else is exploring in the same area as you.
Downtime dont have any with DED site respawn.Easy way to prove that ,if you find DED site before DT ,make bm and after DT it will be there.
Some regions spawn DED sites more often then others.You can make bm of sites you find,and after month or two you will get better picture where to go.Also some systems have better chance for DED spawns,I have few systems where I have over 20 bm's of DED 4/10 and system next to it have zero of them.
What affect some people is time when they scan.I noticed there is peak of explorers loged in over day, and it have nothing with how many players are online.You can also check that by adding players you saw scanning on your watch list.
Anyway no matter how much help this part of forum gave,and no matter how much help St Mio and crew that did their DSP probe chart gave to player base,player still refuse to read and do some kind of effort by them self.
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Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
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Posted - 2013.02.27 10:22:00 -
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Ana Fox wrote:[quote=Dante Uisen]Downtime dont have any with DED site respawn.Easy way to prove that ,if you find DED site before DT ,make bm and after DT it will be there.
What is meant was that new signatures spawn in the period between downtimes, during uptime, not that they spawn as a result of the downtime. |
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2013.02.27 10:27:00 -
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poppeteer wrote:Why bother at all?
As of today, a HIGH SEC radar had THREE battleships in it.
:whatever: :ccp: (bai moar plex)
Edit: Warped my vexor out at half armour with 4/4 npc stil standing (15.5m + gunnery sp, 16m ship sp, 7.5m drone sp).
Edit2: The last NULL SEC radar I completed had ~6 battlecruisers + 16 frigs + 4 towers. MUCH easier.
It is not from today ,it is that way from long time ago.Few Gurista mag and radar sites have BS hulls in high sec.there is nothing new about it. |
poppeteer
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.02.27 10:33:00 -
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Ana Fox wrote:poppeteer wrote:Why bother at all?
As of today, a HIGH SEC radar had THREE battleships in it.
:whatever: :ccp: (bai moar plex)
Edit: Warped my vexor out at half armour with 4/4 npc stil standing (15.5m + gunnery sp, 16m ship sp, 7.5m drone sp).
Edit2: The last NULL SEC radar I completed had ~6 battlecruisers + 16 frigs + 4 towers. MUCH easier. It is not from today ,it is that way from long time ago.Few Gurista mag and radar sites have BS hulls in high sec.there is nothing new about it.
OK. Been doing highsec radars for the last 15 months. but ok. |
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2013.02.27 10:39:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:Ana Fox wrote:[quote=Dante Uisen]Downtime dont have any with DED site respawn.Easy way to prove that ,if you find DED site before DT ,make bm and after DT it will be there. What is meant was that new signatures spawn in the period between downtimes, during uptime, not that they spawn as a result of the downtime.
No ,as soon you finish DED site new one spawns,it can even spawn in same system (I had that once ).What I do is ,when I finish all signals that I was interested in I always do one more whole system scan.Even more if I am in Caldari space.It was not only one time ,that I noticed new signal that was in signal range of my interest.When ever you find DED site that you finish ,check near by systems asap,even go back from where you came if you must.
It can be big advantage when you clear site ,cause if you find it in system near you again ,there is really high chance you will clearing that one too.
Also about respawns, some player out of their luck will find site in some system that is not so often visited by explorers.Those players often cause of their inexperiance of good knows why ,start to salvage those sites,or clearing whole last room for now reason ,and by that they are staling new respawn.Usually you will see that ,when you warp in DED and you see guy in second to last room like 100 k out of acceleration gate goofing around and giving you free run to last npc.
For radars is even worse,you will find site with some crap in can that no one wants,that site will not respawn until you loot it all.What is usually do is grab all things and jetison that crap so it can respawn again.Long story short ,there is planty of sites but players dont want to loot things that are not giving them isk,so it is sometime about us.
Also some player for most in DED 3/10 dont know that structure holds loot,so you warp in and see wrecks ,you hit dscan and see Tengu and you warp away.Sadly that Tengu was mission runner and site is not looted still.Point is always check site ,maybe some newbie player didnt finish it and let it respawn. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2013.02.27 10:42:00 -
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Dark Reignz wrote:St Mio wrote:It isn't limited to respawning in the exact same region, but it's definitely the same site respawning, Prove the latter please. There's nothing to say that GSO doesnt and cannot respawn as a radar and vise versa for the other types. I'am actually starting to beleive, there is not set amount of any site and never was and when they do respawn that they spawn as a random type too.
Ahh no - because those who don't have a myopic focus on gurista ded 4s in some tiny area of contiguous highsec can detect the sweeping action that results from the spawning system combined with frequent exploration consumption.
This is even detectable with the dens (the relatively popular anomolies), which I once decided to prove to my satisfaction that the ded 5 escalation exists (it does), therefore I needed a big supply of dens because its a small chance to spawn. The whole idea that I would setup an insta locking 850 dps ishtar to do dens could only mean that I had a realistic expectation of finding 15 dens per system *somewhere*, which meant I needed only 2 sessions to clear the 70+ dens that were required for me to personally roll the escalation.
Similar things apply to other popular sigs, though caldari highsec space is renowned for not having many sig hidey holes.
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Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
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Posted - 2013.02.27 10:55:00 -
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Ana Fox wrote:No ,as soon you finish DED site new one spawns,it can even spawn in same system (I had that once ).What I do is ,when I finish all signals that I was interested in I always do one more whole system scan.Even more if I am in Caldari space.It was not only one time ,that I noticed new signal that was in signal range of my interest.When ever you find DED site that you finish ,check near by systems asap,even go back from where you came if you must.
Sounds like you know what you are doing... |
Karig'Ano Keikira
State War Academy Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:23:00 -
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well, depends a lot on what you want to do with your ship: - for high-sec explo, tengu works great - it fits all you need easily; in high-sec you don't have much reason to do radar/mag sites anway, all you need is decent speed, good dps and good scanning bonuses; problem with non t3s is that you lack scanning bonuses, but ofc if you use scanning alt, it doesn't matter much - things get tricky for low-sec or 0.0: - basically if you want to probe-launcher, (cov-ops) cloak, prop-module, salvager, analyser and codebreaker on a ship along with enough tank to tank all combat sites (in low sec) and enough dps to complete such sites (true 'all in one exploration ship'): -> you can use gila or ishtar and rely on drones for damage (not all that great since new AI) and as long as you tank against rat-specific damage and avoid sites with (lot of) webs and neuts, you will come close to 'all-in-one', but... - tank on these ships is not that great, drones are pain and you will lack scanning bonuses -> alternative is t3; i have good experiences with tengu and 0 experience with others, so: - all in one tengu can fit criteria above, but your site completion time won't be great, you will rely on rat-specific hardeners for tank and if you want cov-ops cloak, your dps will suck; personally I recommend dropping salvager and analyser and focusing on radar + combat sites; don't bother with cov-ops cloak and don't bother with faction modules - it will hurt less when you tengu pops :) of course, most people will tell you to get extra account for scanning with cov-ops or even better with another ship that can scan and deal damage
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poppeteer
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:30:00 -
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Karig'Ano Keikira wrote:well, depends a lot on what you want to do with your ship: - for high-sec explo, tengu works great - it fits all you need easily; in high-sec you don't have much reason to do radar/mag sites anway, all you need is decent speed, good dps and good scanning bonuses; problem with non t3s is that you lack scanning bonuses, but ofc if you use scanning alt, it doesn't matter much
Sorry, but no. I've made 40m+ isk from one high sec radar site - a nice 10 minute total exercise. Before inferno at least. I still get up to 20m hauls. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
581
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:39:00 -
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poppeteer wrote:Karig'Ano Keikira wrote:well, depends a lot on what you want to do with your ship: - for high-sec explo, tengu works great - it fits all you need easily; in high-sec you don't have much reason to do radar/mag sites anway, all you need is decent speed, good dps and good scanning bonuses; problem with non t3s is that you lack scanning bonuses, but ofc if you use scanning alt, it doesn't matter much
Sorry, but no. I've made 40m+ isk from one high sec radar site - a nice 10 minute total exercise. Before inferno at least. I still get up to 20m hauls.
I have to agree, radar site are worth going. Normally they will give around 10M, but you can get luck and get 20M or more. Even if you have a hard time fitting the code breaker, you can always keep it in the cargo hold and fit it when you need it.
Mag/Grav/Ladar are the only sites not worth doing. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
Cage Man
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Posted - 2013.02.27 18:44:00 -
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Tengu Is great for exploration. In LS\null you probably want to fit a covert ops sub and then dock and switch it out before you actually run anything as the DPS is pretty weak with the co-ops sub. Otherwise the Gila is great, it can field 5 sentries and with the mwd+cloak trick you can get through most LS gate camps. I used a Gila for a long time in LS and it has not yet been forcefully removed from my possession. I did switch to a tengu though after about a year. Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
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