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Vas Vadum
Wormhole Physics
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Posted - 2013.02.26 14:52:00 -
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I've never really bothered with having multiple accounts. In fact, I only have this single account. A friend however has multiple accounts and seems to encounter stability issues trying to run multiple accounts for a while.
So what does one client take? (minimums based on this page). 1.5GHz processing speed? 1.5GB Ram? NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT or higher with 128MB of VRam?
So what should running 4 clients take? (4 is an example though) 4 cores at 1.5GHz (ideal?) 5GB of ram? NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT or higher with 512MB (or more) of VRam?
I was just taking a wild guess at the 4 client one at what might be idea to run 4 clients in minimum detail.
Here are my system specs, how many clients should I be able to run? This is not his system, it's just a test to see how many mine could run if I wanted to run multiple. If he's ok with it, I'll share his specs later after I get a few replies to see if his can run 4 or 5 clients. (and yes, mine is a laptop.) Core i7-2670QM 2.20GHz (Turbo boost 3.1GHz) nVidia GeForce GTX 560m 2GB VRAM 8GB RAM 2x 500GB 7200 RPM HDDs (Need more info? Ask.)
One more question, I heard about specialized clients that basically remove all graphics so a person can run 20+ clients without issues. Is this even allowed? My best guess is it's not. |
Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
245
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:08:00 -
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I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe?
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
875
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:13:00 -
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My crappy five-year old multi-upgraded-still-obsolescent box will do just fine. I'm frankly more bandwidth challenged than CPU challenged. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Vas Vadum
Wormhole Physics
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:13:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe?
Uber? People always tell me laptops are crap. I didn't ask "can it do this" I asked how many do you think it can run. Sure, my PC can certainly run multiple clients. Now how about telling me what it takes to run a second client on t op of the requirements for the first? More CPU? More memory (obviously). More, what? |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
875
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:16:00 -
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So fire it up and start loading clients - see what is what. At best, all we can do is make WAGs. An' we don't wanna. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
444
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:20:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe?
I always like how people just post speeds of components and then gfx cards and assume that's enough to tell them their PC is uber.
You know, ignoring memory timings is always a great idea. Who needs a processor, board, gfx card and memory that match, I mean, all the bits "fit" right? |
Skorpynekomimi
459
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:25:00 -
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I bought a -ú700 laptop going on a year ago, now. It wasn't exactly top of the range, but was pretty up there. It runs two clients, firefox, IMs, and Excel just fine. Apart from the heat it spews out, anyway. |
Vas Vadum
Wormhole Physics
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:28:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:Cebraio wrote:I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe?
I always like how people just post speeds of components and then gfx cards and assume that's enough to tell them their PC is uber. You know, ignoring memory timings is always a great idea. Who needs a processor, board, gfx card and memory that match, I mean, all the bits "fit" right?
I have no clue what my motherboard is. It's a laptop. I didn't look on the box for motherboard specs. Nor did I look for memory timing. I'm guessing my memory is DDR3 1333 MHz SDRAM. I only posted the basics because I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client.
Ever noticed how games specify only the basics? E.G.
Quote:EVE Minimum: OS: Windows-« XP Service Pack 2 / Vista / 7 CPU: Intel Pentium-« or AMD @ 1,5 Ghz or greater which supports SSE2 RAM: XP (SP2) GÇô 1 GB / Vista GÇô 1.5 GB HD space: 20Gb Free Space Network:DSL connection or faster Video:ATI X1600 or NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT or higher graphics card with 128 MB of Video RAM* which supports Shader Model 3 Drivers: DirectX-« 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers DVD-ROM : 2 speed DVD reader or greater required. ...... Operating System Processor RAM Hard Drive Space Network Speed Graphics Card Drivers DVD Drive
Do you see Motherboard and RAM speed? Cause I don't.
Skorpynekomimi wrote:I bought a -ú700 laptop going on a year ago, now. It wasn't exactly top of the range, but was pretty up there. It runs two clients, firefox, IMs, and Excel just fine. Apart from the heat it spews out, anyway.
Yea, mine throws out a lot of heat too. My graphics card gets up to 136F while playing EVE. I've had a temperature up to 160F in some games, and 195F only once. |
Donald MacRury
LankTech
10
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:29:00 -
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Vas must be talking about me, my computer runs terrible after 3 or 4 clients are running. My cpu is an intel i5-3570 running at 3.4 ghz. I also have 16GB of memory , and a 2TB hard drive if that even matters. The motherboard in this thing is a ASRock Z77 Pro4.
I know that I am short on the video side though with only a 1GB nVidia video card.
Oh and Hi Vas |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
445
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:33:00 -
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Vas Vadum wrote:I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client.
And this is how my -ú600 custom built PC craps all over a friends -ú2000 custom build. OCD can be a good thing :)
Also, I said timings not frequency. |
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
875
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:34:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:Cebraio wrote:I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe?
I always like how people just post speeds of components and then gfx cards and assume that's enough to tell them their PC is uber. You know, ignoring memory timings is always a great idea. Who needs a processor, board, gfx card and memory that match, I mean, all the bits "fit" right? That is the one thing I actually paid serious attention to when I upgraded the box. It pretty much hums along nicely. It can be beatten stone cold by pretty much any system less than three years old, but so what? It works for my needs.
I *have* been eating power supplies recently, though - I've pushed it as hard and as far as it can cope. Next malf, I'm replacing the guts entirely. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Vas Vadum
Wormhole Physics
42
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:38:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:Vas Vadum wrote:I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client. And this is how my -ú600 custom built PC craps all over a friends -ú2000 custom build. OCD can be a good thing :) Also, I said timings not frequency.
Then I dunno how to find the frequency as I've never even needed to look before. I doubt it's anything listed on boxes most of the times. Nor is it ever mentioned in game requirements. >.> |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
375
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:41:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe? Did somebody post an uber PC somewhere?
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
875
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:41:00 -
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Vas Vadum wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:Vas Vadum wrote:I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client. And this is how my -ú600 custom built PC craps all over a friends -ú2000 custom build. OCD can be a good thing :) Also, I said timings not frequency. Then I dunno how to find the frequency as I've never even needed to look before. I doubt it's anything listed on boxes most of the times. Nor is it ever mentioned in game requirements. >.> Tech specs.
Game designers don't care if your system is well-tuned. Only if it can clunk along reliably. Like the difference between race-tuned engine and a stock engine. Both will get you where you're going. One will get you there faster, and in style. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
247
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:42:00 -
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Vas Vadum wrote:Cebraio wrote:I never understood the motivation of people posting an uber PC and asking for confirmation that it is capable of doing something. Low self esteem, maybe? Uber? People always tell me laptops are crap. I didn't ask "can it do this" I asked how many do you think it can run. Sure, my PC can certainly run multiple clients. Now how about telling me what it takes to run a second client on t op of the requirements for the first? More CPU? More memory (obviously). More, what?
Well, laptops in general are crap, but your laptop is high end crap. In all seriousness, laptops usually perform worse than the the same system specs built into a desktop case.
The problem I have with your post is not about your laptop though. I just ask myself what your system spec has to do with your friend's problem of running multiple clients? Nothing? Right.
In short: You can surely run multiple clients on your laptop. There is not much to increase in regards of your CPU and your GPU and your RAM and in total. However, this doesn't really help your friend.
Your friend may want to look into a better graphics card or more RAM. These usually help with games. But who knows. It could also be something totally different going wrong on his machine.
For 4 clients I'd take a wild guess that this would be a minimum requirement: A core i5 processor, 8GB RAM and a graphics card with another GB built in. |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
446
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:47:00 -
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Vas Vadum wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:Vas Vadum wrote:I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client. And this is how my -ú600 custom built PC craps all over a friends -ú2000 custom build. OCD can be a good thing :) Also, I said timings not frequency. Then I dunno how to find the frequency as I've never even needed to look before. I doubt it's anything listed on boxes most of the times. Nor is it ever mentioned in game requirements. >.>
Yes and no. I could rewrite what others have said but egh... http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Understanding-RAM-Timings/26
If the memory timings match the board and the board timings match the processor and gfx card everything runs a lot smoother\quicker.
On top of that if you have decent cooling and air flow, things run better still.
This is also why some manufactures who product "cheap" "fast" computers run way slower than you would expect from hardware that claims to be the speed it is.
It's not that they're lying, it's that it's poorly put together.
It's also why "ALL THE EXPENSIVE THINGS!!!!" is a bad way to put together a PC.
Also.... "gaming laptops" HA! but that's more to do with me being set in my ways than me actually thinking a gaming laptop is bad tbh. |
Bane Veradun
Black Sun Dawning
6
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:48:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:My crappy five-year old multi-upgraded-still-obsolescent box will do just fine. I'm frankly more bandwidth challenged than CPU challenged.
I also have ancient computer (coming up on 7 years now) and I can run two clients at once on it. Of course, my graphics have to be turned WAAYY down, but I have no issues otherwise. While you only co-opt the darkness for your petty purposes, I was borne of the darkness.
Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
375
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:51:00 -
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Vas Vadum wrote:I only posted the basics because I doubt the motherboard and speed of memory play a massive huge role in running more than one client. They don't. In fact if stability, rather than performance, is the issue, then none of the specs matter much as any machine which can run one should be able to run two, just with worse performance. Unless it's really and truly out of RAM and is paging out an entire client, it's a deeper issue. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Owena Owoked
Apocalypse Reign
13
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:53:00 -
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Your GPU will be a problem. I would say that you can run 3 on low settings before it becomes a problem and starts to cook your computer. With ISBoxer I was able to get 5 to run on my alienware with similar specs before I started to melt the keyboard from the inside out. Laptops suck for gaming. Get a proper tower and you can run 20 accounts before it even knows what is happening. |
Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
247
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:53:00 -
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Donald MacRury wrote:Vas must be talking about me, my computer runs terrible after 3 or 4 clients are running. My cpu is an intel i5-3570 running at 3.4 ghz. I also have 16GB of memory , and a 2TB hard drive if that even matters. The motherboard in this thing is a ASRock Z77 Pro4. I know that I am short on the video side though with only a 1GB nVidia video card. Oh and Hi Vas From the numbers it doesn't look too bad. Hard drive size doesn't matter, only the speed of the HDD and if it has enough free space.
What nVidia card is that?
Instead of getting a new graphic card, you could probably also reduce the resolution of the clients or disable some hungry features like anti-aliasing etc. |
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
876
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:58:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote: This is also why some manufactures who product "cheap" "fast" computers run way slower than you would expect from hardware that claims to be the speed it is.
It's not that they're lying, it's that it's poorly put together.
It's also why "ALL THE EXPENSIVE THINGS!!!!" is a bad way to put together a PC.
One of my brothers builds Stocker motors for racers. If he were to reach into the bins and just start grabbing parts out, he could build a motor that ran. No one would buy it.
He carefully selects parts - And not always the most expensive parts - so that have the correct balance, that they have the right profiles, angles, and finishes, that are complement the other parts he's using. He breaks out the micrometers, and the bore gages, and the snap gages and the scales. Yes, he weighs even things like bolts and nuts. His engines sell in the mid-five-figure range. Because he tunes then, pays attention to how they work as a whole. Not because he put shiny brand-label parts inside (Though shiny parts are often of high quality, and do get used. When appropriate).
Same approach works with electronics. Know your specs, know your theory. Know your purpose. You can build a shiny box, but if you've built a graphics workstation, or a server, it may not be the uber gaming computer you desired. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Donald MacRury
LankTech
10
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:00:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Donald MacRury wrote:Vas must be talking about me, my computer runs terrible after 3 or 4 clients are running. My cpu is an intel i5-3570 running at 3.4 ghz. I also have 16GB of memory , and a 2TB hard drive if that even matters. The motherboard in this thing is a ASRock Z77 Pro4. I know that I am short on the video side though with only a 1GB nVidia video card. Oh and Hi Vas From the numbers it doesn't look too bad. Hard drive size doesn't matter, only the speed of the HDD and if it has enough free space. What nVidia card is that? Instead of getting a new graphic card, you could probably also reduce the resolution of the clients or disable some hungry features like anti-aliasing etc.
Its a GeForce GT 430 |
ashley Eoner
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:02:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:My crappy five-year old multi-upgraded-still-obsolescent box will do just fine. I'm frankly more bandwidth challenged than CPU challenged. Yeah my OCed 15 dollar e4400(oced 1066 FSB) system with gma x4500 integrated graphics and 4 GB of ram can run two clients well on low settings. Tossed a 15 doller 6450 graphics card in there and it runs multiple clients easily.. This game has a low requirement outside of stuff like shader 3.0 |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1026
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:03:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:My crappy five-year old multi-upgraded-still-obsolescent box will do just fine. I'm frankly more bandwidth challenged than CPU challenged.
I too, am bandwidth challenged.
Perhaps I should have paid more attention in school. This is not a signature. |
Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
248
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:05:00 -
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Vas Vadum wrote:
One more question, I heard about specialized clients that basically remove all graphics so a person can run 20+ clients without issues. Is this even allowed? My best guess is it's not.
EDIT
Modifying the client is not allowed and there is no public client from CCP that does this.
CCP however, has the possibility to do that: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=779
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Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
250
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:11:00 -
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Donald MacRury wrote: Its a GeForce GT 430
Ok, it's a bit outdated and never was a high end card. If you want better performance, you'd have to switch to a newer card with more RAM - or downgrade the graphic settings.
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Owena Owoked
Apocalypse Reign
14
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:13:00 -
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This is my PC.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130801 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153127 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128512 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133056 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231429 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167093 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148636
Will this be able to run the Crysis Living Legends mod? |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
876
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:13:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Vas Vadum wrote:
One more question, I heard about specialized clients that basically remove all graphics so a person can run 20+ clients without issues. Is this even allowed? My best guess is it's not.
EDIT
Modifying the client is not allowed and there is no public client from CCP that does this. CCP however, has the possibility to do that: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=779 You can, however, dial back your graphics settings, reducing the demand on your system. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
876
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:15:00 -
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I dunno. Let me dust of my HiPot tester, and we'll see...
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Owena Owoked
Apocalypse Reign
14
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:25:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Cebraio wrote:Vas Vadum wrote:
One more question, I heard about specialized clients that basically remove all graphics so a person can run 20+ clients without issues. Is this even allowed? My best guess is it's not.
EDIT
Modifying the client is not allowed and there is no public client from CCP that does this. CCP however, has the possibility to do that: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=779 You can, however, dial back your graphics settings, reducing the demand on your system. Reading that again brought up a point that I haven't thought about in years. When is CCP going to let drone boats deploy more than 5 drones again? This is something that should seriously be on the table now that the server architecture is so much more powerful. Keep the bandwidth the same, just allow them to have more active drones. |
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