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Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 09:24:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote: If math does not match, then "top pilots" simply dont take the fight. Some uncertainties do enter the calculations based on whether or not pilot is as skilled or risk averse as you expect but those are generally factored in as probabilities too.
The major uncertainties are (in order and without boosters):
Ship fitting Pilot skill Skillpoints Implants Boosters Wrecking hits
If the pilot does the math correctly, it still depends on the risk aversity of the pilot if he takes the fight. I'm perfectly happy to engage at 50/50 odds (considering all the factors above), but many pilots go for 90/10 and up.
But only the top pilots can do the math reasonably well.
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
794
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Posted - 2013.03.05 11:54:00 -
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Merdaneth wrote:
Wrecking hits
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
383
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:30:00 -
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lists like these are pretty useless because best style to get fights is to use alts that does no get fame on field and change those often enough.
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
305
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:55:00 -
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That's more for people using tricks like awoxing, gimmick fits, constant OGB, etc. And folks like that, all things being equal, typically can't pvp their way out of a wet paper sack.
TLDR; They bad
Bad Messenger wrote:lists like these are pretty useless because best style to get fights is to use alts that does no get fame on field and change those often enough.
QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Huggies
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:28:00 -
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What about that dude, Huggies? He's tight.
And Nexx, we all roll gimmick fits... |
Quake590
Genos Reloaded HYDRA REVOLUTIONS
6
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Posted - 2013.03.06 06:27:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote:Can anyone of the top pilots maybe tell me how you do that with brawling fits? Most fights are won before the first shot ever gets fired when you calculate the enemies approximate abilities in your mind. Aside from OGB, it's mainly just managing spreadsheets in your mind like this (one incursus fled btw). If math does not match, then "top pilots" simply dont take the fight. Some uncertainties do enter the calculations based on whether or not pilot is as skilled or risk averse as you expect but those are generally factored in as probabilities too.
While you can get a huge advantage by flying ships designed to hurt your enemy best, by only taking fights you can win and avoiding fights you have a disadvantage in, I beg to differ in a huge way.
Whether these advantages exist or not, just about any fight can be won with superior tactics and practice, and the best way to learn these skills are by... guess what... taking the suicidal fights that get you killed :P
For example, if you only ever take easy fights, you'll never learn how to fly well against a superior opponent and you can't learn from your mistakes. If you constantly take dificult fights where you are outgunned, outnumbered or outclassed, then you learn the strategies to get past these weaknesses and make them your strengths.
Take for example the humble Jaguar, while they are seldom used nowadays due to being "weaker" they have strengths of their own, for example speed and the ability to dictate the fight. These can be used to speed tank hawks, kite enyos and more easily catch kiting ships than other AF hulls.
TL;DR, there's nothing wrong with taking and losing a fight, every time you die you learn a lot more from it than when you win, and dieing in a glorious fire is more interesting than twiddling your thumbs inside station.
Fly dangerously everyone |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
308
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:21:00 -
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We all have...god knows the cockbag is a gimmick fit. But it's widespread use is simply due to it's effectiveness against the farmers. (that and the occasional dual scram comet;) Not saying we all don't use OGB and gimmick fits occasionally.
My point is if you use OGB all the time or only engage after counter fitting someone, you will never be anything other then mediocre at pvp. I know people that actually refuse to pvp without their OGB, it's pathetic.
Huggies wrote:
And Nexx, we all roll gimmick fits...
This.
Quake590 wrote: While you can get a huge advantage by flying ships designed to hurt your enemy best, by only taking fights you can win and avoiding fights you have a disadvantage in, I beg to differ in a huge way.
Whether these advantages exist or not, just about any fight can be won with superior tactics and practice, and the best way to learn these skills are by... guess what... taking the suicidal fights that get you killed :P
For example, if you only ever take easy fights, you'll never learn how to fly well against a superior opponent and you can't learn from your mistakes. If you constantly take dificult fights where you are outgunned, outnumbered or outclassed, then you learn the strategies to get past these weaknesses and make them your strengths.
Take for example the humble Jaguar, while they are seldom used nowadays due to being "weaker" they have strengths of their own, for example speed and the ability to dictate the fight. These can be used to speed tank hawks, kite enyos and more easily catch kiting ships than other AF hulls.
TL;DR, there's nothing wrong with taking and losing a fight, every time you die you learn a lot more from it than when you win, and dieing in a glorious fire is more interesting than twiddling your thumbs inside station.
Fly dangerously everyone
QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Mystical Might
BLOOM. Verge of Collapse
136
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Posted - 2013.03.06 20:18:00 -
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I nominate myself as "The Best Ever" Kthxbai.
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Taoist Dragon
Agony Unleashed
283
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Posted - 2013.03.06 22:29:00 -
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The best FW pilot?
ME!
Cos I have fun!
And yes I am very dangerous! To myself usually but sometimes to my opponents. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
455
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Posted - 2013.03.07 02:11:00 -
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Ohishi wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Iggys wrote:The entire brosefs corporation.
And Superchair(even though I rarely see him anymore) Most of you have probably noticed your ships are staying intact more regularly while flying in Black RIse - The reason you still have intact ships is because Super Chair is having a break from eve. Will the Chair return?? Is he the spy in your corp that you just gave roles to? Why does pepper taste so good on corn? No one knows. Caldari State Capturing's very, very, very sexy new alliance boss is a complete tool who spends way too much time playing Dust. Shameless off topic recruitment plug goes next: To all CURRENT Caldari FW corp CEO's - Caldari State Capturing [PLEX] is ready to rebuild. *Help us create a blob so we can know what it's like to be a Gallente while still being in Caldari. What we can offer: We have the best alliance ticker in FW. (Undeniable fact) Sean Parisi will provide his special 'naked services' to all male pilots. No cta's - No fees - No Llamas. Just more people to fly with when you want to shoot dirty, filthy, smelly, ugly dreadlocked lice breeding Gallente scum. Not a traditional alliance - more about consolidating forces and having people around to form up with. Ship replacement program - lolol yeah right fuk off and stop losing ****. *Disclaimer - any blob we create will be after an hour of stuffing around after already sighting the enemy fleet to ensure we have 3x the numbers of at least one ship size above the enemy fleet. You must then accuse the smaller and outnumbered force of blobbing. I have 7 pilots that I can add to your alliance by way of AR16. Sometimes 8, but sometimes AR16 is empty as I am out in one of the other militias causing trouble for them from within their own ranks. Contact me about alliance invite.
If you fly a lot of cormorants you'd fit right in Project Cerberus is recruiting for the US Timezone, click here |
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
456
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Posted - 2013.03.07 02:18:00 -
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As far as being on topic, some of the most dangerous pilots I know:
chatgris princess nexx damar loren gunnyt31 steve celeste (last i heard he biomassed and quit game though...) gorp (master of the rifter) Project Cerberus is recruiting for the US Timezone, click here |
Trinkets friend
Minmatar-Amarr Man-Boy Love Association
968
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Posted - 2013.03.07 14:19:00 -
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The most dangerous pilot? The dude who gets you while your wife is flying your Tempest through Hadozeko.
or your wife. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
244
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Posted - 2013.03.07 14:34:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote: or your wife.
+1... no **** it +1000
The pilot only known as 'the other half' or 'wifey' and sometimes 'gf' is by far the most efficient killer in FW. I have no idea how many ships I've lost because of this individual but I do know I've lost a very expensive dramiel because of them.
Another one is 'pet cat', better known as 'FOR FUCKS SAKE THIS FIGHT IS NOT A GOOD TIME TO POUNCE ON MY KEYBOARD!'
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Dread Operative
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
163
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:16:00 -
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Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:Trinkets friend wrote: or your wife.
+1... no **** it +1000 The pilot only known as 'the other half' or 'wifey' and sometimes 'gf' is by far the most efficient killer in FW. I have no idea how many ships I've lost because of this individual but I do know I've lost a very expensive dramiel because of them. Another one is 'pet cat', better known as 'FOR FUCKS SAKE THIS FIGHT IS NOT A GOOD TIME TO POUNCE ON MY KEYBOARD!'
Mine is "2 year old son, hoping 6 ft fence and running nude around neighborhood" |
Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
73
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Posted - 2013.03.07 18:55:00 -
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Well in this case:
1.) My gf. "Oh look over there this cat in tv is sooo cute...:" *looking back to game...oh I am in pod*
2.) Coffee. Okay.... Calm plex. Nothing over here. One min afk for coffee...come on nothing can happen. Come back and: Oh I have a new clone :D
3.) Phone. Damn thing.
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Huggies
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
2
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Posted - 2013.03.07 20:04:00 -
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chatgris is our overlord and savior, all hail the neuting tristan! |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
841
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Posted - 2013.03.08 01:45:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Can anyone of the top pilots maybe tell me how you do that with brawling fits? Since I try short range pvp this month I suck like hell. How to avoid getting always damn blobbed within the next 10seconds??? Example: soloing a vexor in hook->sfi and rifter blob me. soloing a wolf in a hook---> slasher comes and they blob me....
SO HOW THE HELL YOU MANAGE THAT?
:P
In a brawler ship you might do enough dps to kill the other guy before you die. You win.
In a kiting ship you have to warp off before you can kill him. You lose. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
396
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Posted - 2013.03.08 02:00:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote:Can anyone of the top pilots maybe tell me how you do that with brawling fits? Since I try short range pvp this month I suck like hell. How to avoid getting always damn blobbed within the next 10seconds??? Example: soloing a vexor in hook->sfi and rifter blob me. soloing a wolf in a hook---> slasher comes and they blob me....
SO HOW THE HELL YOU MANAGE THAT?
:P In a brawler ship you might do enough dps to kill the other guy before you die. You win. In a kiting ship you have to warp off before you can kill him. You lose.
Wrong. In the kiting ship, you keep applying dps while staying out of their weapon range, often have the guy you were soloing warp out in structure, but then you kill his backup. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
841
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Posted - 2013.03.08 02:54:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Cearain wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote:Can anyone of the top pilots maybe tell me how you do that with brawling fits? Since I try short range pvp this month I suck like hell. How to avoid getting always damn blobbed within the next 10seconds??? Example: soloing a vexor in hook->sfi and rifter blob me. soloing a wolf in a hook---> slasher comes and they blob me....
SO HOW THE HELL YOU MANAGE THAT?
:P In a brawler ship you might do enough dps to kill the other guy before you die. You win. In a kiting ship you have to warp off before you can kill him. You lose. Wrong. In the kiting ship, you keep applying dps while staying out of their weapon range, often have the guy you were soloing warp out in structure, but then you kill his backup.
I was checking on some of your fits and it looks like you put on some weight:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Chatgrus Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Shadow Adanza
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
51
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Posted - 2013.03.08 04:21:00 -
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Cearain wrote:chatgris wrote:Cearain wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote:Can anyone of the top pilots maybe tell me how you do that with brawling fits? Since I try short range pvp this month I suck like hell. How to avoid getting always damn blobbed within the next 10seconds??? Example: soloing a vexor in hook->sfi and rifter blob me. soloing a wolf in a hook---> slasher comes and they blob me....
SO HOW THE HELL YOU MANAGE THAT?
:P In a brawler ship you might do enough dps to kill the other guy before you die. You win. In a kiting ship you have to warp off before you can kill him. You lose. Wrong. In the kiting ship, you keep applying dps while staying out of their weapon range, often have the guy you were soloing warp out in structure, but then you kill his backup. I was checking on some of your fits and it looks like you put on some weight: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Chatgrus OMG, I lol'd so hard. That's hilarious. Hey! You're no zombie! |
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Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
73
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Posted - 2013.03.08 12:22:00 -
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Rofl. First time I have taken a look on TeaEarlGreys Kb (eve kill). Sorry but for someone who uses minimum 1 ogb, faction fit and snakes 24/7 I would rather call it "not really good". Lol. Even my crappy 7month old toon efficiency is better. Okay Gorski/Yuri/Damar/Zarnak wihout boosts would prolly eat Tea with boosts. Lol. |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
38
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Posted - 2013.03.08 15:39:00 -
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Confirming that use of the substance "XG" leads to irrational and risk-seeking behavior -- side effects also include spontaneous capsule decompression. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1109
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Posted - 2013.03.08 16:58:00 -
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JAF Anders wrote:Confirming that use of the substance "XG" leads to irrational and risk-seeking behavior -- side effects also include spontaneous capsule decompression.
- "You can't score if you don't shoot" - Wayne Gretzky
- "Lost causes are the only causes worth fighting for." - Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.
- Fortune favors the bold! - Ancient Romans
- Fighting in space is more fun than spinning a ship in station. - XG
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
317
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Posted - 2013.03.08 17:11:00 -
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XG is a boss, you pathetic OGB slaves should take a lesson from him and quit being so risk adverse.
X Gallentius wrote:
- "You can't score if you don't shoot" - Wayne Gretzky
- "Lost causes are the only causes worth fighting for." - Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.
- Fortune favors the bold! - Ancient Romans
- Fighting in space is more fun than spinning a ship in station. - XG
derp? |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
844
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:41:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:XG is a boss, you pathetic OGB slaves should take a lesson from him and quit being so risk adverse. X Gallentius wrote:
- "You can't score if you don't shoot" - Wayne Gretzky
- "Lost causes are the only causes worth fighting for." - Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.
- Fortune favors the bold! - Ancient Romans
- Fighting in space is more fun than spinning a ship in station. - XG
Yeah well, You forgot the saying that everytime XG boards an algos its balls deflate. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
75
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Posted - 2013.03.09 00:38:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:XG is a boss, you pathetic OGB slaves should take a lesson from him and quit being so risk adverse. X Gallentius wrote:
- "You can't score if you don't shoot" - Wayne Gretzky
- "Lost causes are the only causes worth fighting for." - Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.
- Fortune favors the bold! - Ancient Romans
- Fighting in space is more fun than spinning a ship in station. - XG
Yeah well, You forgot the saying that everytime XG boards an algos its balls deflate. but do they deflate from having shot their load, or from a coming sense of cold? either way though they are feling something. |
SkiD-MaRk
Moira. Villore Accords
18
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Posted - 2013.03.11 04:19:00 -
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X Gallentius as a FC. Is alot of fun, and is more like the kind of FC's I flew with for years in WI. He knows how to find a fight.
Diamond Dog is re-educating me in the craft of insta-lock sniper mach/loki. costing me alot of isk. lol |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1117
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:13:00 -
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SkiD-MaRk wrote:Diamond Dog is re-educating me in the craft of insta-lock sniper mach/loki. costing me alot of isk. lol It's always fun jumping into a system DiamondDog is camping. You jump in, see him a 100 kms off with his remote sensor boosted Mach and you try to warp. Pop!, then pop! Then you notice that the Crew Quarters in Orvolle look really nice. |
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
222
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Posted - 2013.03.11 07:14:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:JAF Anders wrote:Confirming that use of the substance "XG" leads to irrational and risk-seeking behavior -- side effects also include spontaneous capsule decompression.
- "You can't score if you don't shoot" - Wayne Gretzky
- "Lost causes are the only causes worth fighting for." - Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.
- Fortune favors the bold! - Ancient Romans
- Fighting in space is more fun than spinning a ship in station. - XG
"C'mon, you sons of bitches, do you want to live forever?!" - Sergeant Major Dan Daly, USMC |
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