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Andriel Star
Black Storm Cartel
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Posted - 2013.02.27 06:35:00 -
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Black Storm Cartel is looking to expand its business. We are a high sec mercenary corporation that can be your hired gun.
Example Services:
Assisting in a war Eliminating economic competition Protection and escort services Player hunting and assassinations and more...
References available by request.
Contracts can be short term or long term and are built to your needs!
To negotiate a quote please speak to one of the contacts below.
FeralShadow Merc504 Andriel Star
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culo duro
Federal Enslavement
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:49:00 -
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Andriel Star wrote:Black Storm Cartel is looking to expand its business. We are a high sec mercenary corporation that can be your hired gun. Example Services: Assisting in a war Eliminating economic competition Protection and escort services Player hunting and assassinations and more... References available by request. Contracts can be short term or long term and are built to your needs! To negotiate a quote please speak to one of the contacts below. FeralShadow Merc504 Andriel Star Killboard
Page 1 looks good, then it's more or less like if the more you browse the more you lose. You might wanna shine up that KB abit, 60% Efficiency for a merc corp doesn't really make me want to hire you. Well considering you lose plenty of pods. |
FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
207
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Posted - 2013.02.28 20:54:00 -
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It all comes from trying to train newer players. There are a couple losses that were due to "station game oversight" but other than that, the ones losing ships have not been playing for long. While some people recruit "Only Leet PVPers", we firmly believe that in addition to recruiting said leet pvpers, we need to train new players to be effective pvpers as well. After all, those new players grow up fast these days, and suddenly they're flying battlecruisers and battleships with the best of them.
We remember what it was like being new and trying to get into the pvp scene, and don't want to exclude people simply because they're new, as long as they are willing and able to learn. How many mercenary organizations are out there with 1 to 10 people, camping stations, getting green killboards? That's easy to do, but how effective are they truly, when your enemies are out flying around other regions of space?
Don't get me wrong, killboards are important, but they aren't everything. "I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." A blog about contractual killing - http://www.blackstormcartel.blogspot.com |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
52
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Posted - 2013.02.28 21:06:00 -
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FeralShadow wrote:It all comes from trying to train newer players. There are a couple losses that were due to "station game oversight" but other than that, the ones losing ships have not been playing for long. While some people recruit "Only Leet PVPers", we firmly believe that in addition to recruiting said leet pvpers, we need to train new players to be effective pvpers as well. After all, those new players grow up fast these days, and suddenly they're flying battlecruisers and battleships with the best of them.
We remember what it was like being new and trying to get into the pvp scene, and don't want to exclude people simply because they're new, as long as they are willing and able to learn. How many mercenary organizations are out there with 1 to 10 people, camping stations, getting green killboards? That's easy to do, but how effective are they truly, when your enemies are out flying around other regions of space?
Don't get me wrong, killboards are important, but they aren't everything.
I support you all for getting into the mercenary scene and training new players. Recruitment is the lifeblood of a corporation so it is very important. Just make sure you all teach them the right way to do things.... "Can't teach a new dog old tricks"
On your killboard comment; I dont neccesarily agree with you. The way I explain it to my corp and new recruits is that your killboard is your resume' in eve. If you have thousands of kills and a few losses then you are definitely proactive. However the important part is to look into depth on the types of kills someone gets. Frigs, destroyers, and cruisers are easy finds in eve. However if someone is regularly killing Jump Freighters and faction battleships then you know they are WORKING for their kills. Obviously a lot of deaths shows a lack of care about yourself and how you fly. You don't win wars by dying.
So ya, good luck on getting merc contracts and start to care more about your killboard :) I promise you a good killboard can make people think twice about you! |
FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
207
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Posted - 2013.02.28 22:30:00 -
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Terrific points, and I absolutely agree. There really isn't any other way for players to judge your corporation these days! While camping stations and preventing targets from making isk is a valid form of combat, it unfortunately isn't provable to potential clients that you even did such. "I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." A blog about contractual killing - http://www.blackstormcartel.blogspot.com |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1111
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Posted - 2013.02.28 22:32:00 -
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These dudes die a ton, don't kill anything significant and are of the jita camping persuasion. Of all of the recently started up merc groups these dudes are the ones I recommend the least just based on their killboard. Even if these guys are charging cost of dec for their offensive contracts they aren't worth it.
Hire literally anyone else. |
FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
207
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Posted - 2013.02.28 22:44:00 -
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I don't even know you. Have you really even looked at our killboard? Sure we get some kills in jita, but we get some elsewhere too. I couldn't possibly know why you would say these things; not like we're any sort of competitor to your alliance. "I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." A blog about contractual killing - http://www.blackstormcartel.blogspot.com |
Serendipity Lost
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
37
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Posted - 2013.03.01 03:29:00 -
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I would say the best way to know an outfit is good or not is to ask their previous employers - if they are happy with the sevices provided. If I'm paying you to do X for payment of Y, then X either gets done or it doesn't. X getting done is what I care about. If 30 ships are thrown away completing X... meh.
It's about services rendered. I work with a total NITWIT that has a degree from MIT. He can't complete simple tasks on his own (after 12 years on the job) but he looks pretty sweet on paper. KB are great, and it's the shingle above the merc's shoppe door, but honestly - check the results.
OOOOOOH a shiney neon sign... where do I send my isk? Smart spenders do a minimum of research before dropping isk on a merc. KB is a first step, but follow up with a bit of research and check that customer satisfaction.
Good luck lads. Learn what your boss has to teach (I'm guessing he's teaching you how to have some fun)! |
FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
207
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Posted - 2013.03.01 03:42:00 -
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Thank you for your terrific words, Serendipity. You truly hit the nail on the head with what I'm trying to drive towards with our corporation. We are working on a way to implement feedback from our customers based on how well or poorly we get the job done (Because, like you said, that's what really matters), but until that's finished we unfortunately have to rely mainly on the killboard. Hopefully it will be something we can outsource to other organizations as well! "I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." A blog about contractual killing - http://www.blackstormcartel.blogspot.com |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
663
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Posted - 2013.03.01 04:03:00 -
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Gotta start somewhere I suppose.
My god, that legion loss... I'm Denzel Washington. |
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Cannibal Kane
The African Terrorist
1470
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Posted - 2013.03.01 05:10:00 -
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That Legion... yes my God.
But people give them a chance and don't mess up their thread.
Good luck Gents. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
culo duro
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
32
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Posted - 2013.03.01 09:24:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I would say the best way to know an outfit is good or not is to ask their previous employers - if they are happy with the sevices provided. If I'm paying you to do X for payment of Y, then X either gets done or it doesn't. X getting done is what I care about. If 30 ships are thrown away completing X... meh.
It's about services rendered. I work with a total NITWIT that has a degree from MIT. He can't complete simple tasks on his own (after 12 years on the job) but he looks pretty sweet on paper. KB are great, and it's the shingle above the merc's shoppe door, but honestly - check the results.
OOOOOOH a shiney neon sign... where do I send my isk? Smart spenders do a minimum of research before dropping isk on a merc. KB is a first step, but follow up with a bit of research and check that customer satisfaction.
I just wanna point something out.
X is the objective i assume. For X to be completed you need to murder Corp X, which is at war with Corp Y, Corp Y being the contractor. I say this alot, but letterly everyone can be mercs in high sec. as Zeus said, a mercs KB is the way you get hired. If your KB is decent, and you charge what 500M + dec fees. You're not going to get hired alot compared to the corp that got 95%+ Effciency in all of their wars.
I don't know how much you charge, but i'd really recommend you to set it really low. There's ALOT of high sec merc corps. Some are better than others, but if you want to have people hire you. You NEED an awesome Killboard, else there's simply a better alternative. |
FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
207
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:53:00 -
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Gentlemen, thank you all for your kind and constructive words. (especially you, Kane!)
Let me regale you all with a story. A story about an individual who played eve once upon a time, skilled up, got decent isks and ships, then quit playing for a while. He then came back to the game, decided to join a mercenary organization and thought he knew it all still. This is a story of a Legion pilot.
As much as we might not like it, we cannot take control of other pilots' ships (that is, without breaking the EULA!). While Angrod expressed some interesting theories about the game, we worked our best to talk with him, work with him, and disabuse him of some of these notions which have been proven false through much painful past experience. Constantly we tell our members "Fly around in frigates if you want to go solo. Use a scout for anything larger!" and "We are a PVP corporation, while I respect that you sometimes need isk, we are here to help you out. Ask us, or use an alt to make money!". Angrod was certainly no exception. We offered training sessions and numerous small fleet opportunities, but Angrod seemed uninterested since, after all, he knew what he was doing already! So what were we to do other than try our best?
So Angrod takes it into his mind that he should make some isk, and what better way to make isk than scanning out sigs! He fit up his Legion and set out to find some sigs, then remembered that he wasn't in a frigate, so used a scout. He scouted one system he was going to jump to, saw there were baddies there. He then warped, without scouting, to a second system. This is where he died. Afterward, he left our corporation. I guess he thought it was a bad fit? I don't know. We didn't want him to go carebearing (After all, we are a pvp corp) but if he absolutely HAD to, we couldn't stop him so he should at least take proper precautions (of which I'm sure you all know many). But, after all, he knew better!
Moral of the story: Don't be an Angrod.
We don't mind training people that want to learn. But, you have to want to learn!
And about the pricing, our corporation at the heart of it is a business. To be competitive, since we allow new members for training and we don't have 500 people flying around (yet), we are indeed inexpensive. To be otherwise would be to have no jobs! "I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." A blog about contractual killing - http://www.blackstormcartel.blogspot.com |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
681
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Posted - 2013.03.02 16:20:00 -
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FeralShadow wrote:Moral of the story: Don't be an Angrod.
Hahah, I hope you use this in all of your training exercises. "Remember kids: Don't be an Angrod!" I'm Denzel Washington. |
culo duro
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
39
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Posted - 2013.03.11 12:10:00 -
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Bump for a better KB. |
StoneCold
House of Sparrows
81
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Posted - 2013.03.11 12:19:00 -
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Good luck gentlemen. Disclaimer: All depicted violent acts relate only (and exclusively) on ingame events. |
culo duro
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
39
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Posted - 2013.03.11 12:25:00 -
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StoneCold wrote:Good luck gentlemen. A serious sidenote: Quote: I say this alot, but letterly everyone can be mercs in high sec. as Zeus said, a mercs KB is the way you get hired. If your KB is decent, and you charge what 500M + dec fees. You're not going to get hired alot compared to the corp that got 95%+ Effciency in all of their wars.
I hope that-¦s a bad joke on pricing. My standard fee for even logging to my corp-holding-alt to issue the war is 750m / week. And I-¦m a single man show - and still have to decline contracts because of beeing busy.
People gotta start out small man. |
StoneCold
House of Sparrows
81
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Posted - 2013.03.11 12:29:00 -
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Aye. That-¦s why i ninja-edited my post :)
You-¦re a quick draw, hope we never have to duel in a gunfight :P Disclaimer: All depicted violent acts relate only (and exclusively) on ingame events. |
culo duro
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
39
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Posted - 2013.03.11 12:37:00 -
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StoneCold wrote:Aye. That-¦s why i ninja-edited my post :)
You-¦re a quick draw, hope we never have to duel in a gunfight :P
You son of a ***** i was wondering for a few minutes why it didn't show. |
Sowna Kyasid
Testaferro S2N Citizens
0
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Posted - 2013.04.07 13:33:00 -
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Bump for a good Merc corp. Fast, serious and cheap. I recomend it. |
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Hammar Wolf
Money First
42
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Posted - 2013.04.07 15:00:00 -
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I'm not cool enough of a merc to deride others yet.
Everyone needs a start and some contracts to make a name. Just don't take my business and put on your flak vest when coming to this forum. It looks like they gave you guys an early start on criticism in your 'for hire' thread.
P.S. gave your thread a 2nd page so most people will end up skipping the criticism on the first one.... Smack talk to me gently, I'm new at this. |
Monnty
MIN0R THREAT
82
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Posted - 2013.04.07 20:13:00 -
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Zeus Maximo wrote:FeralShadow wrote:It all comes from trying to train newer players. There are a couple losses that were due to "station game oversight" but other than that, the ones losing ships have not been playing for long. While some people recruit "Only Leet PVPers", we firmly believe that in addition to recruiting said leet pvpers, we need to train new players to be effective pvpers as well. After all, those new players grow up fast these days, and suddenly they're flying battlecruisers and battleships with the best of them.
We remember what it was like being new and trying to get into the pvp scene, and don't want to exclude people simply because they're new, as long as they are willing and able to learn. How many mercenary organizations are out there with 1 to 10 people, camping stations, getting green killboards? That's easy to do, but how effective are they truly, when your enemies are out flying around other regions of space?
Don't get me wrong, killboards are important, but they aren't everything. I support you all for getting into the mercenary scene and training new players. Recruitment is the lifeblood of a corporation so it is very important. Just make sure you all teach them the right way to do things.... "Can't teach an old dog new tricks" On your killboard comment; I dont neccesarily agree with you. The way I explain it to my corp and new recruits is that your killboard is your resume' in eve. If you have thousands of kills and a few losses then you are definitely proactive. However the important part is to look into depth on the types of kills someone gets. Frigs, destroyers, and cruisers are easy finds in eve. However if someone is regularly killing Jump Freighters and faction battleships then you know they are WORKING for their kills. Obviously a lot of deaths shows a lack of care about yourself and how you fly. You don't win wars by dying. So ya, good luck on getting merc contracts and start to care more about your killboard :) I promise you a good killboard can make people think twice about you!
Really...
Damn so smashing my head over and over again against cruisers, battle cruisers in a frigate to learn more about PvP-ing, will tarnish my reputation as a potential merc in the future.
Balls....
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culo duro
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
66
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Posted - 2013.04.09 19:27:00 -
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Monnty wrote:Zeus Maximo wrote:FeralShadow wrote:It all comes from trying to train newer players. There are a couple losses that were due to "station game oversight" but other than that, the ones losing ships have not been playing for long. While some people recruit "Only Leet PVPers", we firmly believe that in addition to recruiting said leet pvpers, we need to train new players to be effective pvpers as well. After all, those new players grow up fast these days, and suddenly they're flying battlecruisers and battleships with the best of them.
We remember what it was like being new and trying to get into the pvp scene, and don't want to exclude people simply because they're new, as long as they are willing and able to learn. How many mercenary organizations are out there with 1 to 10 people, camping stations, getting green killboards? That's easy to do, but how effective are they truly, when your enemies are out flying around other regions of space?
Don't get me wrong, killboards are important, but they aren't everything. I support you all for getting into the mercenary scene and training new players. Recruitment is the lifeblood of a corporation so it is very important. Just make sure you all teach them the right way to do things.... "Can't teach an old dog new tricks" On your killboard comment; I dont neccesarily agree with you. The way I explain it to my corp and new recruits is that your killboard is your resume' in eve. If you have thousands of kills and a few losses then you are definitely proactive. However the important part is to look into depth on the types of kills someone gets. Frigs, destroyers, and cruisers are easy finds in eve. However if someone is regularly killing Jump Freighters and faction battleships then you know they are WORKING for their kills. Obviously a lot of deaths shows a lack of care about yourself and how you fly. You don't win wars by dying. So ya, good luck on getting merc contracts and start to care more about your killboard :) I promise you a good killboard can make people think twice about you! Really... Damn so smashing my head over and over again against cruisers, battle cruisers in a frigate to learn more about PvP-ing, will tarnish my reputation as a potential merc in the future. Balls.... KB = Everything. |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
108
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Posted - 2013.04.09 21:20:00 -
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Monnty wrote:
Damn so smashing my head over and over again against cruisers, battle cruisers in a frigate to learn more about PvP-ing, will tarnish my reputation as a potential merc in the future.
Balls....
Its better to be safe than sorry.
Also,
Bump for some good guys and a good blogger! |
Andrea Griffin
331
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Posted - 2013.04.10 15:42:00 -
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culo duro wrote:KB = Everything. I disagree to a point. A high efficiency looks good, yes, but ultimately mercenaries are hired to hurt other people. My core interest is how much of my target's resources have been destroyed relative to my investment.
I don't care if the mercenaries lose ten times as many ships as my target. I only care that my target is hurt. The important number is isk destroyed. Isk lost, well, as a client, that's not my concern. Just get the job done.
Also, bump for the mercs. I wish them well. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
StoneCold
Somali Coast Guard Authority
107
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Posted - 2013.04.10 18:34:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:culo duro wrote:KB = Everything. I disagree to a point. A high efficiency looks good, yes, but ultimately mercenaries are hired to hurt other people. My core interest is how much of my target's resources have been destroyed relative to my investment. I don't care if the mercenaries lose ten times as many ships as my target. I only care that my target is hurt. The important number is isk destroyed. Isk lost, well, as a client, that's not my concern. Just get the job done. Also, bump for the mercs. I wish them well.
What Miss Griffin said. For Hire Psychotic Monk for CSM |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
113
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Posted - 2013.04.10 19:33:00 -
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I have thought about going that route before but the quote "You do not win a war by dying for your country. You win a war by making sure that some poor bastard dies for hisGÇ¥ comes to mind.
The person that hires a merc to do the dirty work probably doesnt care what has to be sacrificed in order to complete a contract. I think that is where a double standard comes in. If you see a merc losing more than he kills then you are going to question his effectiveness. I guess its a grey area and there has to be a medium.
Nonetheless Black Storm Cartel shouldnt have a problem getting contracts. They are doing fine! |
Andrea Griffin
332
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Posted - 2013.04.10 19:49:00 -
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Zeus Maximo wrote:I have thought about going that route before but the quote "You do not win a war by dying for your country. You win a war by making sure that some poor bastard dies for hisGÇ¥ comes to mind. The difference is that in the real world, once your soldiers die, they stay quite dead. In Eve, you just ship up again and undock. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Andriel Star
Black Storm Cartel
0
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Posted - 2013.04.11 01:52:00 -
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Sowna Kyasid wrote:Bump for a good Merc corp. Fast, serious and cheap. I recomend it.
Thank you for the vouch! |
culo duro
Next Level Alcoholics
68
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Posted - 2013.04.11 07:02:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:culo duro wrote:KB = Everything. I disagree to a point. A high efficiency looks good, yes, but ultimately mercenaries are hired to hurt other people. My core interest is how much of my target's resources have been destroyed relative to my investment. I don't care if the mercenaries lose ten times as many ships as my target. I only care that my target is hurt. The important number is isk destroyed. Isk lost, well, as a client, that's not my concern. Just get the job done. Also, bump for the mercs. I wish them well.
But you're saying is yourself, you want them to destroy more isk than they lose... which is Efficiency, which is the KB. ;) |
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