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iKill Giants
Asteria Imperative High Rollers
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Posted - 2013.02.27 21:52:00 -
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At the lower end of exploration, it's easy enough to have a flexible ship that can fit the modules you need for the sites you find, sometimes fitting all of them at once and still being able to clear the rats that spawn.
But higher end exploration, nullsec and wormhole sites, make this a lot trickier. The amount of rats that spawn and the amount of DPS needed to clear them ramps up significantly, and shield tanks almost fall out of the realm of possibility if you can't fit it into 3 slots.
There are enough ships out there that can handle the rats that (<)C3 wormholes and mag/radar/deadspace sites spawn and have a midslot/hislot to spare for a couple exploration modules. I'm not asking for help fitting those, I'm flying them now, and I'm looking for something better.
The only ship I've found that can fit a:
- Probe Launcher
- Salvager
- Analyzer
- Codebreaker
all at the same time, while still having good damage (~500 DPS) and tank (300-500 depending on speed), is the Legion. I'm wondering if there are any other ships that can do this as well, and while I'm considering training for a Legion I'm currently all Minmatar and Gallente skills and am wondering if there's anything else that can do what a Legion can do.
The Fit (minimal):
[Legion, Purity] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Imperial Navy Medium Armor Repairer
Codebreaker I Analyzer I Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile Salvager I Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst |
Rusko Valarian
TomatoCo. Technologies
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Posted - 2013.02.27 22:58:00 -
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to be fair, i dont REALLY know a hell of a lot.
But with my experience in exploration (the occasional wormhole, when Im feeling daring enough) I dont see the point in fitting your analysers/codebreakers prior to finding a site + clearing the rats.
find the site, clear the rats effectively - then head back and fit the approprite modules.
Otherwise it's literally a dead slot.
But I mean, you ARE speaking "Hardcore" exploration, so might be slightly different, I guess.
[EDIT] - Absolutely sexy fit for that legion though. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2095
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:23:00 -
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Drone Proteus can do that but with more dps that also deals with frigs much better, more range and has a free highslot for cloak.
I wouldn't fly that anywhere near neuts though.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
569
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:34:00 -
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Armor active tank pilgram or curse may also work. Damage is through drones.
Additionally, there is the Gila. Shield tank, so you may have to dock to switch between code breaker and analyzer, but otherwise all good.
Honestly, I use to use a drake. 6 launchers, probe, and salvager in highs, tank and code breaker in mids. I usually skipped prop mod, and tank/dps mods in the lows. Good for hi, some low, and wormholes up to c2. |
iKill Giants
Asteria Imperative High Rollers
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:46:00 -
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Roime wrote:Drone Proteus can do that but with more dps that also deals with frigs much better, more range and has a free highslot for cloak.
I wouldn't fly that anywhere near neuts though.
I've been gone a few months, ever flown Gallente at the cruiser level, not sure how well blasters vs rails w/drones is. Any more pointers as to the Drone Prot? Use 4 sentries? Mixed large/med/small sentries? Rails or blasters? etc. |
Clara Stewart
Stewart Collections
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:58:00 -
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I like hardcore. |
Leetha Layne
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Posted - 2013.02.28 00:14:00 -
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Being "hardcore" and all, what do you plan on doing when you are scanned down by other players? Also, Sleepers require a different tack than k-space NPCs.
Now if this setup is strictly for high-sec you will be fine. |
Vegine
Sphere Foundation
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Posted - 2013.02.28 00:14:00 -
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Drone Porteus holds 2 sets of 4 sentries , most likely warden and Garde and 5 smalls to fill up the 225m^3 drone bay. Armor and speed tank, obviously.
Damage is around 600dps, which is ample enough. Main point is no worries about ammo and selectable damage types (Heat and Kin will cover most situations nicely) which is very good for long solo campaign, but it can be a pain if you lose a drone which means perma lose of dps until you replenish.
I would not try to mount more than 1 turret for aggro pulling purpose. Your lows will be filled with drone dmg mods and tank. Free slots can fit cloak, drone link mods and salvager etc easy.
All in all I consider it an okay lazy setup, but it does fit your criteria of all-in-one exploration nicely.All factors concerned probably the best choice for what you described. |
iKill Giants
Asteria Imperative High Rollers
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Posted - 2013.02.28 00:21:00 -
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Vegine wrote: Drone Porteus holds 2 sets of 4 sentries , most likely warden and Garde and 5 smalls to fill up the 225m^3 drone bay. Armor and speed tank, obviously.
Damage is around 600dps, which is ample enough. Main point is no worries about ammo and selectable damage types (Heat and Kin will cover most situations nicely) which is very good for long solo campaign, but it can be a pain if you lose a drone which means perma lose of dps until you replenish.
I would not try to mount more than 1 turret for aggro pulling purpose. Your lows will be filled with drone dmg mods and tank. Free slots can fit cloak, drone link mods and salvager etc easy.
All in all I consider it an okay lazy setup, but it does fit your criteria of all-in-one exploration nicely.All factors concerned probably the best choice for what you described.
I figured something like this, it'd be nice to have a cloak and I'm a lot closer to a Proteus than a Legion, so I'd more likely than not do this. |
iKill Giants
Asteria Imperative High Rollers
4
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Posted - 2013.02.28 01:28:00 -
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[Proteus, Droneboat] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Imperial Navy Armor Explosive Hardener Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Cap Recharger II Codebreaker II Analyzer II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge Medium 'Arup' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Remote Hull Repair System I Improved Cloaking Device II Salvager II Expanded Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor
Garde II x4 Warden II x4 Warrior II x5
I'll let you tear apart this beautiful disaster of a fit. 300 omnitank, 528 DPS drones only, cap stable, and if I'm understanding aggro mechanics correctly 1 civilian railgun should work. I'd rather not have to worry about running out of ammo. Obv aggro draw won't work on Sleepers very well, my main concern with this fit is frigates, Sleeper and otherwise.
Reppers are for drones. Cloak is for safety. Grav capacitor subsystem is for the slots it gives and also the rest of the propulsion systems are almost as ****. Launcher and salvager for exploration. More faction mods could be added but they don't seem to do too much for the cost. |
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Vegine
Sphere Foundation
20
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Posted - 2013.02.28 03:27:00 -
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[Proteus, -----]
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer Corpum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Analyzer II Codebreaker II
Improved Cloaking Device II Salvager II Expanded Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I Civilian Light Electron Blaster, Civilian Blaster Charge [empty high slot]-possible remote repper? [empty high slot]
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Garde II x4 Ogre II x4 Hobgoblin II x5
534 heat damage, good against most rats except angles... cap stable if not fitting anything further. resist 72.8 82.3 91.2 72.7
interesting about a 1600 plate and aug plating sub is, it grants you about 11.000 extra hp as opposed to about 20 extra damage repaired per sec. which would take 10 minutes of running repair none stop to make up the difference while giving you a large buffer to GTFO should things goes wrong.
Also interesting is Proteus localized injector -75%cap on ALL microwarp and afterburner including 100mn ones. worth exploring possible speed tank a little if you ask me
not really shinny stats but prob the best you'll get out of any hull for 0 ammo, all-in-one long campaign exploration boat. Just remember to paranoid spam Dscan and be sure to scream like a baby while you wrap away from baddies cuz without even ecm drones you are toast if caught :P |
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