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Tralina
Low Sec Pharmacies ProtoStar Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:52:00 -
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It probably has been brought up, but I would like to see cloaking get nerfed a bit. I think that cloaking from downtime to downtime is over powering and really is displeasing to those of us who prefer not to be pvp oriented. For example, there is this player currently cloaky camping our system cause he bit off more then he can chew, and he cloaks from downtime to downtime. If the cloaking device either took a certain amount of capacitor or maybe even some form of cap charges, this would help eliminate the over powerness of this device. He has tried extorting isk from us to leave the system which is part of the game play, but just sitting there non-stop without a break in his cloak from downtime to downtime is very over powering and a game deterent for most to wanna renew subscriptions, or just not go out and do anything in a low or null sec systems. Is it possible to find a way to reduce this items superiority over everything in this game???? |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1834
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Posted - 2013.03.01 19:30:00 -
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Tralina wrote:It probably has been brought up, but I would like to see cloaking get nerfed a bit. I think that cloaking from downtime to downtime is over powering and really is displeasing to those of us who prefer not to be pvp oriented. For example, there is this player currently cloaky camping our system cause he bit off more then he can chew, and he cloaks from downtime to downtime. If the cloaking device either took a certain amount of capacitor or maybe even some form of cap charges, this would help eliminate the over powerness of this device. He has tried extorting isk from us to leave the system which is part of the game play, but just sitting there non-stop without a break in his cloak from downtime to downtime is very over powering and a game deterent for most to wanna renew subscriptions, or just not go out and do anything in a low or null sec systems. Is it possible to find a way to reduce this items superiority over everything in this game????
1.) If you look at the forums page, on the top right, next to the "forums" button... there is a search tool.... I suggest you use it before reposting commonly posted ideas....
2.) If you really are too inept to deal with a single cloaker camping a single system, you should pay him to leave. Sure, it's extortion, but there are many ways to alter your playstyle and cope with a cloaker. Adapt, or pay up....
3.) If you can't cope with hostiles in your system, go back to highsec. Part of living in nullsec is dealing with dangers, and the only way to circumvent the safety provided by an omniscient local chat is to utilize cloaky camping. As pathetic as the tactic is, until local chat gets replaced by an "imperfect" intel tool, cloaky camping should NOT be nerfed.
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Tralina
Low Sec Pharmacies ProtoStar Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.03.01 21:28:00 -
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obviously you didnt get the point i was making. i dont care about the cloaky camper, its a natural game mechanic. the point i am making is that the cloaking device is honestly more powerful then a carrier in all reality since there is not a limiter on it, and you honestly just harass a player/corp/alliance from downtime to downtime. i dont care that they are doing it, but there needs to be a limit put into place on it. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1836
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Posted - 2013.03.01 22:18:00 -
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Tralina wrote:obviously you didnt get the point i was making. i dont care about the cloaky camper, its a natural game mechanic. the point i am making is that the cloaking device is honestly more powerful then a carrier in all reality since there is not a limiter on it, and you honestly just harass a player/corp/alliance from downtime to downtime. i dont care that they are doing it, but there needs to be a limit put into place on it.
The cloaking device is very powerful.... but it already comes with serious drawbacks: --- You can't move (much) while cloaked, unless you are in a ship specifically designed for it. --- It takes up a valuable highslot... It sometimes nerfs your sensor strength, and typically has a decloak delay. --- Your actions are significantly inhibited while cloaked... (like you can't target, activate any modules, etc) --- Most covert-cloak ships also have their combat capability hindered...
The primary complaint you brought up, was the psychological impact a cloaky camper has on you, which is what my rebuttal addressed.
Somehow, you missed my point:
Nullsec is supposed to be inherently dangerous.... Think about that for a moment...
Now what makes nullsec dangerous? It is NOT the NPCs in belts, anomalies, or plexes... it is other players. When are you safe in your system? When there are no hostiles in the system... What do you do when there is a hostile in your system: -- Option 1: You get safe until they leave... because you don't want to deal with hostiles in system. -- Option 2: You modify your play style to operate in a dangerous environment. This might include basic safety practices you should already use (aligned out so you can get away quicker, don't warp to zero, etc), it might include ratting in sub-otpimal ships (use a PvP-fit drake instead of a Chimera), it might include making yourself a hard target (rat in a group that's capable of destroying the threat).
Rather than using ANY of the options in Option 2, your whining its unfair a person stays online and represents a continual danger within your system. But the truth is, all nullsec/lowsec systems are SUPPOSED to be dangerous....
There are two reasons most nullsec/lowsec systems are NOT, in fact, dangerous: a.) "local chat" lets you perfectly identify if there are hostiles in system or not... As such, you know at a glance how "safe" your system is. b.) "local chat" instantly identifies a change in the system population. The speed at which it updates and informs you is so fast, that most ratting capitals don't bother to get safe until AFTER a local enters system. It is impossilbe to catch a ratter paying attention to local, unless they get scrammed by a rat at just the right/wrong time.
You probably don't see a problem with the above, but together the result in Nullsec being obnoxiously safe. Cloaky camping a system, as pathetic and loathesome as I personally find the tactic, is the ONLY tool available to put danger back into a nullsec system. Until CCP nerfs the intel system, removing afk cloaking is very bad for the game! |
Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
372
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:00:00 -
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I live in wormholes, we have cloakers in system ALL THE TIME, and you know what else? we cant even tell they are there because we lack the OMNIPOTENT INTEL TOOL KNOWN AS LOCAL.
here are a few strategies you should be using whether theres hostiles in system or not:
1) dont AFK unless docked or inside a POS 2) dont pve alone in system 3) dont use a pve fit unless you have a PvP fit you are ready and willing to reship to insystem 4) again dont hang ouut alone, even 2 or 3 pve ships are a serious deterrent to even the most combat-ready cloak pilot 5) if hes afk, qit whining and ignore him
and if your scared of CYNOS, then this isnt an AFK issue, this is a POWER PROJECTION ISSUE.
but seriously, as an experience cloak-ser, have a friend or 2 hanging with you, you wont get attacked, a cloaked ship is GIMPED BY DEFAULT, due to devoting fitting space to a cloak, which could instead be used for offense, most PvE/PvP ships can easily kill a cloak-ship.
and as more or less stated above me, if you cant be arsed to get some players together to DEFEND "your space", then maybe youd be better off moving back to low/high-sec. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
655
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Posted - 2013.03.02 05:55:00 -
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Tralina wrote:the cloaking device is honestly more powerful then a carrier in all reality That is probably the worst comparison I've seen in regards to AFK cloaking whine-threads in the 8 years I've been reading them.
PS: No cloaked ship has ever killed another ship. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
Also, your boobs :o --áCCP Eterne, 2012.11.05 14:50 |
Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
678
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Posted - 2013.03.02 06:01:00 -
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Tralina wrote:obviously you didnt get the point i was making. i dont care about the cloaky camper, its a natural game mechanic. the point i am making is that the cloaking device is honestly more powerful then a carrier in all reality since there is not a limiter on it, and you honestly just harass a player/corp/alliance from downtime to downtime. i dont care that they are doing it, but there needs to be a limit put into place on it. Obviously you didn't get the point he was making. This topic is brought up all the time by forum trolls, almost on a daily basis. The argument against it has always been, and still is, flimsy and self serving.
If you could provide a rational and legitimate reason for changing cloaking mechanics, you'd be the first in the history of EvE Online. Trolling is like art. Anyone can finger paint, but it takes true talent to create a masterpiece. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1027
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Posted - 2013.03.02 11:44:00 -
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Posting in a nullbear thread, full of crying that he can't have 100% safety and 100% perfect intel 23/7 in the most dangerous part of space in EVE
a bloo bloo bloo
go back to highsec, baddy |
Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
374
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Posted - 2013.03.03 06:10:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Posting in a nullbear thread, full of crying that he can't have 100% safety and 100% perfect intel 23/7 in the most dangerous part of space in EVE
a bloo bloo bloo
go back to highsec, baddy Just wanna clarify, its the THIRD most dangerous. what with local as a defense, intel channels, and the several hundred man alliance they SHOULD be using for defense. lowsec is slightly more dangerous with its multiple small-gang no-blues kill-everything warfare.
and wormholes are more dangerous than any cause we dont have local, consistently have stealth bombers, logged off fleets, and roaming pirates entering space we have to defend against.
just figured id clarify. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14334
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Posted - 2013.03.03 15:58:00 -
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Tralina wrote:obviously you didnt get the point i was making. i dont care about the cloaky camper, its a natural game mechanic. the point i am making is that the cloaking device is honestly more powerful then a carrier in all reality since there is not a limiter on it, and you honestly just harass a player/corp/alliance from downtime to downtime. i dont care that they are doing it, but there needs to be a limit put into place on it. How does someone AFK and cloaked, harass people? I honestly don't see it and your claim regarding a carrier. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
509
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Posted - 2013.03.04 10:29:00 -
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Tralina wrote: and really is displeasing to those of us who prefer not to be pvp oriented.
Go to HiSec..... damn NullBears.
Seriously, If i was a zero sec corp/alliance, i would be ashamed to have you as a member.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Rip Jaws
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:32:00 -
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lol butt hurt FTW...
Im off to camp there space in with my SUPER OP CLOAK :D |
Reachok
Full Circle Research Corporation
10
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Posted - 2013.03.31 00:02:00 -
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*sigh*
I am looking for a particular thread, but couldn't let this thread go without dropping my 2isk.
Cloak is OP, m'kay!?
Why?
Enemy cloak shows up.
Everyone scatters.
Cloaker then proceeds to "perma camp" the system.
Some knuckleheads decide he's AFK, get hot dropped.
Cloaker continues to camp system.
Miners convince some guys to bring carriers, paying them (or not). Carriers hot dropped by supers.
Miners go play Planetside.
Cloaker "wins".
Cloak is OP, m'kay?!?
The bad guys went the other way, seriously.... |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1155
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Posted - 2013.04.02 07:32:00 -
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Reachok wrote:Enemy cloak shows up.
Everyone scatters.
Cloak is OP, m'kay?!?
Just because your entire corporation is full of ridiculously cowardly carebears who will scatter at the sight of a single other player does not mean that other player and what he's doing is overpowered. It just means you're cowards and have no right to the nullsec space you're claiming.
Man up or go to highsec. |
LittleTerror
Illuminated Foundation Trust
36
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Posted - 2013.04.04 13:36:00 -
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Even if there was a time limit you would still complain. |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
97
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:46:00 -
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What the wormholer said.
What you experiencing is mostly fear, and perceptions created by power projection. One way to fight a war in a video game is to convince the enemy they are going to have such a bad time trying to oppose you that they should do something else instead.
Deal with it, it's null-sec after all.
Though I'd love to see the same happen in high-sec warfare. (war target in system, everyone dock up... oh no, he's cloaking from dt to dt, panic!...) The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
69
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Posted - 2013.04.05 06:43:00 -
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For God's sake...this forum too? Really learn about the search button feature, or try google.
Or since these things appear beyond your comprehension,
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2834808#post2834808 |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
69
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Posted - 2013.04.05 06:48:00 -
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Tralina wrote:obviously you didnt get the point i was making. i dont care about the cloaky camper, its a natural game mechanic. the point i am making is that the cloaking device is honestly more powerful then a carrier in all reality since there is not a limiter on it, and you honestly just harass a player/corp/alliance from downtime to downtime. i dont care that they are doing it, but there needs to be a limit put into place on it.
Really. So when my rapier is cloaked can it launch fighters? Can it rep other ships? Can it transfer energy to another player's cap?
The answers are no, no and no.
Seems you just don't understand the game's mechanics. Go learn them, then you wont look so ignorant when you post. |
Andracin
Sickology
107
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Posted - 2013.04.05 08:35:00 -
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0/10 troll..considering he didn't even need to use the search function...there was another "Waaaaaaa! Cloakers!" post 7 posts below this one still on the same page...but since the OP can't even manage to operate in a forum correctly how can we expect they can manage to escape the cloaked ship that is more powerful than a carrier (where can I buy one of these btw...I want one!). Fail troll is fail troll.
p.s. When you quit can I have your stuff?? |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1196
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:04:00 -
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I think these threads are just part of an elaborate bot. We all know that the only people who complain about cloakers in their system are people who run farming bots, maybe the bots have been upgraded to spew drivel on the forums demanding the removal or nerfing of cloaks. |
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