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Sergant Steel
Synolus Dauntless.
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:11:00 -
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Hey all.
Personally i think the naga should be a large missile platform because the teir 3's seem to follow their races style/speciality.
Secondly i have noticed the minmatar have a better drone battleship than the amarr typhoon vs armageddon. Personally i feel that the apoc should have more drones as it does not have a damage bonus like the abbadon and the armageddon. Maybe give it 125 bandwith and 200 drone bay to allow 5 heavies/sentreis 5 meds and 5 lights so its better than the typhoon but not as good as the dominix and if this does happen may i suggest a change for the apoc navy issue to follow suit (just change bandwith and bay). Lemme know what you think.
Thanks, Steel |
Qaidan Alenko
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:18:00 -
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Sergant Steel wrote:Hey all. Personally i think the naga should be a large missile platform because the teir 3's seem to follow their races style/speciality. Thanks, Steel Perhaps when Missiles can do near instant damage... then perhaps. But until then... Go ahead... Get your-áWham on!!! |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:22:00 -
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CCP said no to a missile Naga, during development, post development, during proposed rebalance talks, and will say no to it again. They are large gun ships and are quite good at that, Leave them alone. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
Sergant Steel
Synolus Dauntless.
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:26:00 -
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Okay about the naga was just a suggestion after all lol. I must admit i do like the nagas range and shield tank aswell but true sniping comes with the oracle by far.
What about the battleship rebalancing tho? |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:33:00 -
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I would expect that the typhoon will loose most of its drone bay as they want to remove the jack of all trades label from it. An Amarr battle ship, as to not compete with the Dominix on any level, would get 100Mbps of bandwidth and 300~400 drone bay. Which would be a downgrade in DPS but an upgrade in versatility so it is kind of choose your poison. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
Sergant Steel
Synolus Dauntless.
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:35:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:I would expect that the typhoon will loose most of its drone bay as they want to remove the jack of all trades label from it. An Amarr battle ship, as to not compete with the Dominix on any level, would get 100Mbps of bandwidth and 300~400 drone bay. Which would be a downgrade in DPS but an upgrade in versatility so it is kind of choose your poison.
Yeh i like that idea lol my dad uses the typhoon an says its a better mission boat than tempest....when this rebalance happining lol |
Sergant Steel
Synolus Dauntless.
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:45:00 -
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Also would you say upgrading the Apoc's drone capabilities is more reasonable than Abaddon or Armageddon since they have damage bonuses already. |
Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:07:00 -
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has CCP not already stated that the amarr battleship lineup looks good as is? and that any amarr drone battleship would be a new hull?
also, if anything would have to become a drone boat it would be the abaddon since it has the hangars on the front on both sides. (abaddon always made me think of a baby battlestar) |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:27:00 -
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the Armageddon already has 125mb drone bandwidth and the apoc is a sniper |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:33:00 -
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While Armageddon seems like a good drone ship on paper, in reality is not. It gets no bonuses to drones, either damage or hitpoints. Also it has 125m3 bandwidth and exactly 125m3 of cargo bay. Now you may think "Great, that's a full flight of sentries!" and that's true... but every experienced drone captain knows that sentries are not the end-all answer to everything, especially when little frigates swarm you and start scrambling you. At close range your sentries are just as useless as your oversized laser turrets. You're basically screwed at that point unless you can pull some lights or mediums out of your pocket, and you won't have any. EvE Forum Bingo |
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2013.03.02 18:00:00 -
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Dev posts/blogs hinted the phoon would end up closer to a post rebalancing oversized cyclone - missiles and some drone capabilities but not as heavy drone capabilities as it has now - so probably something along the lines of 150m3/75mbit or 100/100.
One thing I've been thinking lately - would be nice to see a bit of a shake up when it comes to amarr and drones (and drones in general) for instance amarr drone boats would get something like:
5% bonus per level to Amarr drone damage and mwd velocity 10% per level to the effectiveness of energy neutraliser and tracking disruptor drones
and then change up cal ecm boats so they end up something like this for the falcon:
20% bonus to ecm target jammer strength per level (down from 30) 10% per level to the effectivness of ecm drones
Then give the falcon an increase to drone capabilities to say 75/50 - now the falcon can be partially countered by smartbombs, etc. tho does give it some potentially to keep something jammed and apply okish dps if they used damage drones which would need balancing.
These numbers haven't been worked out just rough examples. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.03.02 18:33:00 -
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Sergant Steel wrote:Hey all.
Personally i think the naga should be a large missile platform because the teir 3's seem to follow their races style/speciality.
and rokh is the tier 3 caldari BS....what a strange coincidence they match up.
Don't say phoenix as a come back...most of its pilots hope one of these days ccp will post a blog saying patch xyz will have it be a gun based dread. The cries of joy would be deafening.
Many people on sisi ran the initial test missile naga and did not like it. Gun naga much better recieved. Also in case you missed it an adequate gun ship sub bs was lacking for caldari. Naga was a much needed gun based sub bs. |
Sinigr Shadowsong
War Tactical Groups SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2013.03.02 18:39:00 -
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Large missiles are bad. Just bad as Motorcycle at a peaks of Himalayas. That's why there are no missile Tier3 BC.
To amarr ships: I personally think amarr BS lineup is plain boring.
Armageddon: passive armor tank laser damage slow movement. Apocalypse: passive armor tank laser damage slow movement. Abaddon: passive armor tank laser damage slow movement.
No imagination, no variety, no complexity. I understand that those ships have their flavours, but to me it's just like: - Fish with vegetables - Fish with potato - Fish with salad |
Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2013.03.02 19:22:00 -
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Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:Large missiles are bad. Just bad as Motorcycle at a peaks of Himalayas. That's why there are no missile Tier3 BC.
To amarr ships: I personally think amarr BS lineup is plain boring.
Armageddon: passive armor tank laser damage slow movement. Apocalypse: passive armor tank laser damage slow movement. Abaddon: passive armor tank laser damage slow movement.
No imagination, no variety, no complexity. I understand that those ships have their flavours, but to me it's just like: - Fish with vegetables - Fish with potato - Fish with salad Well, glad your not in charge of rebalancing then.
cause in reality, each ship has a set of functions it an do better than either of the other two, yes their is alot of universal roles they all accomplish mroe or less equally, but they still each have their own roles and fittings. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2013.03.02 20:59:00 -
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please leave my Naga alone, after all of the rebalancing, (so called buffs) and stealth nerfs to active tanking and overt nerfs like the heavy missile rebalancing, my Naga is the only I have that is still works as intended.
Still it's not all bad, I now run L4 missions in a ferox and just recycled an Armageddon into scrap as it caps out faster than garfield eats lasagne. |
Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2013.03.03 07:42:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:please leave my Naga alone, after all of the rebalancing, (so called buffs) and stealth nerfs to active tanking and overt nerfs like the heavy missile rebalancing, my Naga is the only I have that is still works as intended.
Still it's not all bad, I now run L4 missions in a ferox and just recycled an Armageddon into scrap as it caps out faster than garfield eats lasagne. What are your skills at, and what was your fit? there is no reason for a mission-fit armageddon to cap-out in a short enough period of time to warrant scuttling the boat. If your flying battleships, im going to assume all your engineering and gunnery skills are at V, and its just a bad fit, because seriously, a decent fit can keep the guns plus a decent tank active for a good 15 minutes.
(also, as far as the geddon goes, it generally helps to only PULSE the repper so you finish the mission at about 60% armor that you can rep up on the way back to the station, IMO any decent DPS/tank setup on ana rmor ship will require pulsing an armor repairer, aswell as V skills across the baord, but again, its battleships, you should already have all V's) |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.03.03 07:49:00 -
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Sergant Steel wrote:Personally i think the naga should be a large missile platform because the teir 3's seem to follow their races style/speciality.
No. Caldari use railguns too, Naga fits.
Quote:Secondly i have noticed the minmatar have a better drone battleship than the amarr typhoon vs armageddon. Personally i feel that the apoc should have more drones as it does not have a damage bonus like the abbadon and the armageddon. Maybe give it 125 bandwith and 200 drone bay to allow 5 heavies/sentreis 5 meds and 5 lights so its better than the typhoon but not as good as the dominix and if this does happen may i suggest a change for the apoc navy issue to follow suit (just change bandwith and bay).
No. Typhoon is getting changed and the Amarr "droneboat" is Armageddon, not Apocalypse. |
Sergant Steel
Synolus Dauntless.
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Posted - 2013.03.03 08:24:00 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:Sergant Steel wrote:Hey all.
Personally i think the naga should be a large missile platform because the teir 3's seem to follow their races style/speciality.
and rokh is the tier 3 caldari BS....what a strange coincidence they match up. I meant the bc's |
Sergant Steel
Synolus Dauntless.
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Posted - 2013.03.03 08:40:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Sergant Steel wrote:Personally i think the naga should be a large missile platform because the teir 3's seem to follow their races style/speciality. No. Caldari use railguns too, Naga fits. Quote:Secondly i have noticed the minmatar have a better drone battleship than the amarr typhoon vs armageddon. Personally i feel that the apoc should have more drones as it does not have a damage bonus like the abbadon and the armageddon. Maybe give it 125 bandwith and 200 drone bay to allow 5 heavies/sentreis 5 meds and 5 lights so its better than the typhoon but not as good as the dominix and if this does happen may i suggest a change for the apoc navy issue to follow suit (just change bandwith and bay). No. Typhoon is getting changed and the Amarr "droneboat" is Armageddon, not Apocalypse. actually i think u will find the prefered mission boat cos of drones is the apoc especially navy issue then u can have 3 sentries and 5 lights |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2013.03.03 09:59:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:please leave my Naga alone, after all of the rebalancing, (so called buffs) and stealth nerfs to active tanking and overt nerfs like the heavy missile rebalancing, my Naga is the only I have that is still works as intended.
Still it's not all bad, I now run L4 missions in a ferox and just recycled an Armageddon into scrap as it caps out faster than garfield eats lasagne. What are your skills at, and what was your fit? there is no reason for a mission-fit armageddon to cap-out in a short enough period of time to warrant scuttling the boat. If your flying battleships, im going to assume all your engineering and gunnery skills are at V, and its just a bad fit, because seriously, a decent fit can keep the guns plus a decent tank active for a good 15 minutes. (also, as far as the geddon goes, it generally helps to only PULSE the repper so you finish the mission at about 60% armor that you can rep up on the way back to the station, IMO any decent DPS/tank setup on ana rmor ship will require pulsing an armor repairer, aswell as V skills across the baord, but again, its battleships, you should already have all V's)
It goes without saying that I have elite gunnery and engineering skills I am an amarr player, naturally enough I have cross trained into other disciplines and can fly the ships of other races, despite this I can't get 15 mins out of an Armageddon unless the hold is packed full of cap boosters so I would be interested in seeing your fit. The point I was trying to make was that a ferox is a better mission ship than an Armageddon and the naga if passive tanked and used at range is awesome and is now my preferred mission runner. I love lasers but they are too cap heavy. The naga with rails fitted does comparable damage and manages cap better. |
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Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:35:00 -
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Sergant Steel wrote: actually i think u will find the prefered mission boat cos of drones is the apoc especially navy issue then u can have 3 sentries and 5 lights
Who cares what's used for missions? Navy Raven can also carry 3 sentries and 5 lights, yet I've NEVER heard anyone call it a drone boat before, nor was that ever a reason why it's used in missions, Meanwhile, the navy armageddon can carry a full flight of sentries, a full flight of lights and still has room for one light flight or utility drones, acting as a hybrid drone/laser boat. Indeed, if you'll compare, you'll see that it gets roughly a third of its damage from drones, making it sort of reverse Dominix (which gets two thirds of its damage from drones). |
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:49:00 -
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If you make the naga a exclusively missile boat NOBODY WILL EVER FLY IT AGAIN IN A FLEET EVER. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.04 02:41:00 -
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Sergant Steel wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Sergant Steel wrote:Personally i think the naga should be a large missile platform because the teir 3's seem to follow their races style/speciality. No. Caldari use railguns too, Naga fits. Quote:Secondly i have noticed the minmatar have a better drone battleship than the amarr typhoon vs armageddon. Personally i feel that the apoc should have more drones as it does not have a damage bonus like the abbadon and the armageddon. Maybe give it 125 bandwith and 200 drone bay to allow 5 heavies/sentreis 5 meds and 5 lights so its better than the typhoon but not as good as the dominix and if this does happen may i suggest a change for the apoc navy issue to follow suit (just change bandwith and bay). No. Typhoon is getting changed and the Amarr "droneboat" is Armageddon, not Apocalypse. actually i think u will find the prefered mission boat cos of drones is the apoc especially navy issue then u can have 3 sentries and 5 lights
u are completely mixed up.
geddon 125 b/width 125m3 navy geddon 125 b/width 175m3
Apoc 75 b/width 75m3 Navy-Poc 75 b/width 100m3
the reason the apoc is popular is because it can reach long ranges with high damage-fast tracking (relative to beams) pulse lasers and has a fast cap recharge rate. |
Sergant Steel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.06 02:23:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Sergant Steel wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Sergant Steel wrote:Personally i think the naga should be a large missile platform because the teir 3's seem to follow their races style/speciality. No. Caldari use railguns too, Naga fits. Quote:Secondly i have noticed the minmatar have a better drone battleship than the amarr typhoon vs armageddon. Personally i feel that the apoc should have more drones as it does not have a damage bonus like the abbadon and the armageddon. Maybe give it 125 bandwith and 200 drone bay to allow 5 heavies/sentreis 5 meds and 5 lights so its better than the typhoon but not as good as the dominix and if this does happen may i suggest a change for the apoc navy issue to follow suit (just change bandwith and bay). No. Typhoon is getting changed and the Amarr "droneboat" is Armageddon, not Apocalypse. actually i think u will find the prefered mission boat cos of drones is the apoc especially navy issue then u can have 3 sentries and 5 lights u are completely mixed up. geddon 125 b/width 125m3 navy geddon 125 b/width 175m3 Apoc 75 b/width 75m3 Navy-Poc 75 b/width 100m3 the reason the apoc is popular is because it can reach long ranges with high damage-fast tracking (relative to beams) pulse lasers and has a fast cap recharge rate. by comparison, a navy geddon can barely fit a T2 tank and guns without help from fitting implants/rigs/mods. Hence why i said its the preferred missionboat |
Akara Ito
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.06 02:57:00 -
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Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:Large missiles are bad. Just bad as Motorcycle at a peaks of Himalayas. That's why there are no missile Tier3 BC.
To amarr ships: I personally think amarr BS lineup is plain boring.
Armageddon: passive armor tank laser damage slow movement. Apocalypse: passive armor tank laser damage slow movement. Abaddon: passive armor tank laser damage slow movement.
No imagination, no variety, no complexity. I understand that those ships have their flavours, but to me it's just like: - Fish with vegetables - Fish with potato - Fish with salad
Actually, the Geddon is a brawler since it can get nice dps using heavies and it has a utility high for a neut. The Rebalancing will probably make it a bit lighter to make it even better at brawling. The Apoc is mostly a sniper but also a quite good medium range BS with pulse lasers and generally low sp friendly. The Abaddon is a huge brick, it has the best ehp as well as the best dps at medium ranges with a full rack of guns and a damage bonus.
One of the devs made a vague comment in another thread that an Amarr drone bs would be a new hull, probably an ew/drone thing to give every race an ew bs like the Scorpion. |
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