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Star Killer14
Core World Imperium
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Posted - 2013.03.01 22:07:00 -
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Hello Market Discussion Community
I am looking for a 15 billion isk investment. I have been manufacturing for the entire time I have played EVE. My last bond went very well, close to 2 billion in profit in including fees and interest. I currently have most of my capital tied up in BC that I am working on selling. As such I am looking for investors who are looking for a safe and reliable income. Now time for the details.
Bond Info
- 15 billion isk - Uncollateralized - 10% interest per month - Goes until Summer Expansion* - Minimum investment 100 million - Optional rollover - Cash out option available within 48-72 hours of request
*The bond will go to the summer expansion but once a month each investor can pull their investment or they can keep it invested. Interest will be sent to each investor as, at least at first will not be doing compound interest. After the summer expansion I will decide whether or not to continue it.
Current Plan
I will be manufacturing battleships(BS) primarily but will keep an eye out for other opportunities. I plan on doing 1, 2, and 3 tier BS and some faction BS when I can. I plan on building BS and selling them off in batches so I can grow the number of BS I can build at time up to patch day.
I currently do not have any BS BPOGÇÖs as it will tie up too much of my capital currently. What I plan to do is keep an eye out for good priced BS BPOGÇÖs and to buy some several months before the patch at the latest. I currently have a nice selection of BS BPCGÇÖs to use and feel confidante in being able to buy more as I need them.
What I am offering to Counter the No Collateral
- I can not offer any collateral because all of the isk I have is being invested in this project. I do not have anyone one item worth very much, most of what I have is for production of tech 2 or tech 1 items. - I am willing to give the investor or potential investor my api - I do not haul my items, I use courier contracts so there is a low risk of losing isk in hauling the items. - Weekly updates to investors about how the week has gone. In the updates I will try to include profits, ships produced, ships sold, current plans, future plans, and answer any questions that are raised.
If you have any questions or concerns please mail me or try to convo me. Mailing would work better as I can check it easier when I am out of game. You could also post the question here. I am also open to constructive criticism.
Thank you for your time and fly safe.
Link to my first bond
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197891&find=unread |
SinTeryx
Seamless Industries
244
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Posted - 2013.03.02 01:55:00 -
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Well Star this is a pretty big step for you. As per our discussion in-game I would still like to pledge the 500 mill rollover from the previous bond. Please contact me when you get a free second as I have a question. These may as well be farts in the wind but I have had a few beers since the start of this thread. |
Star Killer14
Core World Imperium
19
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Posted - 2013.03.02 03:21:00 -
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Investors: SinTeryx 500 million |
Star Killer14
Core World Imperium
19
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Posted - 2013.03.02 03:21:00 -
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Reserved |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
874
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Posted - 2013.03.02 10:07:00 -
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Babysteps my friend , babysteps ....
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Star Killer14
Core World Imperium
20
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Posted - 2013.03.06 20:05:00 -
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As I seem to be getting no interest in this bond I will be modifying it slightly by offering the following.
I can put a few BC BPO's I do not plan to use for several months with a third party. They would be worth about 1 billion together, that includes the research to them. I can also put a few hundred million in Decryptors i do not plan to use for a while with a third party. I kniow this will not be able to cover all of the investment but it is all that I have to use as collateral. I can give you my api key if you are interested. Mail me or post here with any questions or commets. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
425
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Posted - 2013.03.06 23:26:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Babysteps my friend , babysteps ....
I 2nd this motion. |
Komatose
Koral Ship Design
9
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:23:00 -
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Star Killer14 wrote:As I seem to be getting no interest in this bond I will be modifying it slightly by offering the following.
I can put a few BC BPO's I do not plan to use for several months with a third party. They would be worth about 1 billion together, that includes the research to them. I can also put a few hundred million in Decryptors i do not plan to use for a while with a third party. I kniow this will not be able to cover all of the investment but it is all that I have to use as collateral. I can give you my api key if you are interested. Mail me or post here with any questions or commets.
I won't lie. I lurk market, but in a couple months I will be putting up a offer to the 'small time' investors out there (That wanna only invest in 10m incraments or whatever, you know, people wanting to get the feet wet.)
I support your idea, and the premise of what your trying to do.
But what you are going to find is that people are scared. Too many burns. Too many scams. Too much crap. You offer nothing, no collateral, no safety net. Even the US gov don't do that..(ok...they do but..lets not split hairs).
Your asking for a /huge/ sum of money, with nothing to go with. Sometimes in the rush for money, we lose sight that you have to have assets to make money.
But good luck in your venture boss.
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
62
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Posted - 2013.03.07 12:57:00 -
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I'd just like to say that I'm eagerly waiting to speak to the person who offers you 15B without collat'. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
878
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Posted - 2013.03.07 14:53:00 -
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It's not so much about someone lending 15 B without collateral.done this many times and still have some loans out with this or higher amounts.As said it's mostly ' I did a 1 B loan and now can go to a 15 B' .With that logic the next bond will be a 60B one.
Repgrind is a dirty word to most but it is essential nontheless.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Angelic Resolution
The Arcanum
1
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:34:00 -
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I like the enthusiasm dude but atm with mineral prices being what they are, attempting to make a bs with bought minerals isn't nearly as profitable as you'd hope.
Can you show the math you're using to guarantee the investment? Prices change and fall, mineral prices are rising atm.. |
Star Killer14
Core World Imperium
20
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:43:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Babysteps my friend , babysteps .... The reason I am asking for 15 billion is that is what I need. I have seen many posts with people asking for isk that they don't need so they can get the isk that they do need. I do not have to have 15 billion to make my plan work, just a few billion would be most helpful, but with 15 billion I would have more options and I will be able to buy more items in bulk thus getting better deals which will then lower my costs. I am not asking for 15 billion from one investor, I am asking for it from several to get a total of 15 billion. |
Star Killer14
Core World Imperium
20
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Posted - 2013.03.08 22:56:00 -
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Angelic Resolution wrote:I like the enthusiasm dude but atm with mineral prices being what they are, attempting to make a bs with bought minerals isn't nearly as profitable as you'd hope.
Can you show the math you're using to guarantee the investment? Prices change and fall, mineral prices are rising atm.. I can post a picture of my spreadsheets if that would help. I do not use a computer program, I use penceil and paper for my spreadsheets. To help off set the mineral price changes I will be buying as much as I can locally where I can get them much cheaper and then shipping in the difference. Also I will be not only biulding BS but also some faction moduls and T2 moduls. I can give people my api key to show that I do have BC I am selling, have BS BPC's ready to use, and that I have a large amount of manufacturing mayerials. I know this only shows that I can do what I saw I plan to do. |
Star Killer14
Core World Imperium
20
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:02:00 -
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Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:I'd just like to say that I'm eagerly waiting to speak to the person who offers you 15B without collat'. To put it in perspective I will ask this: What can I do with 15 billion if I chose to steal it? Nothing useful. 1) If I steal 15 bilion I will have destroyed any reputation I had thus making any more fourms post meaningless. I have posted several times to buy BPC and I plan to do more posts as I continue to grow. 2) I will have made several people extreamly mad, probably mad enough to place massive bounties on me thus making all space unsafe for me to fly much in. I know that they can't legally attack me in hi sec but they would be much more tempted to and in low sec I may be targeted just beacuse of my bounty 3) My goal is to be able to buy whatever I want whenever I want and stealing 15 billion doesn't help me do this in the long run. As to be able to grow I plan to make more bonds and expand into more areas of EVE. 4) I would like to be able to lose a titan with a smile on my face because I can afford to replace it and 15 billion can't even buy me a decent supercarrier fit let alone a titan. So buy stealing it I would lose far more than what I could ever gain from it. |
Angelique Duchemin
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
170
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:15:00 -
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That's not how you build confidence. This is how you build confidence
Present the idea, endure the flak, address the issues. No dodging. Even then he's two thirds short of his goal but he's doing alright for someone with no collateral.
And you can't fight this issue on the battlefield of motives. 15 billion is triple the motive required to sacrifice a 5 month old character and whatever reputation it has accumulated. The Battle of Wizna. Like the movie 300 but with worse odds and the Germans as the attackers. |
Star Killer14
Core World Imperium
20
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Posted - 2013.03.08 23:29:00 -
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I am great at numbers and math but bad at human relations. I was trying to say I wouldn't gain anything by stealing the isk. This toon is about 32 months old so it would take time to rebiuld any skills I would lose by stealing it. I know everyone is going to be skeptical about any bond and that is why I am trying to offer everything I can to show what I plan to do, I have BS BPC to use, I am investing my own isk into this project, and I am trying to make it work with what I have but I do not have enough isk to make it work at an optimal size to buy items at better prices. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
884
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Posted - 2013.03.09 09:24:00 -
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The question you need to ask yourself at this point :
Should i be stubborn and stick with the 15 B offer because that is my aim , or should i lower it to 5B wich still is 5* more then my 1st and only offer on MD and work with that isk and slowly progress to the 15B i had in mind in later bonds?
Just a sidenote : i have found that the longer people keep with the aimed request the lower the chance will be that any amount wil be filled once the penny drops.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
453
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Posted - 2013.03.09 10:14:00 -
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Seems legit. 15b sent. Hyperfleet Industries is selectivly recruiting. Enquire today. Killboard
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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
189
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Posted - 2013.03.09 10:30:00 -
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Star Killer14 wrote:........This toon ....
Buy me a machariel, then contract it to me with 1.38b isk, i will then contract it back to your for 1.38b isk, you then melt it, use the minerals to speculate BS's with no patch notes & no credibility. iCandy - Bonds. - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next **** could spell disaster! iCandy Custom Corp Creation & Corp boosting service |
Star Killer14
Core World Imperium
20
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Posted - 2013.03.09 22:12:00 -
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flakeys wrote:The question you need to ask yourself at this point :
Should i be stubborn and stick with the 15 B offer because that is my aim , or should i lower it to 5B wich still is 5* more then my 1st and only offer on MD and work with that isk and slowly progress to the 15B i had in mind in later bonds?
Just a sidenote : i have found that the longer people keep with the aimed request the lower the chance will be that any amount wil be filled once the penny drops. I agree and that is why I am lowering this bond to 5 billion. It should still be enough to allow me to buy items in bulk but I will not be able to spread it out over as many itms as I had hoped. Thank you everyone for posting your thoughts and commets as they have been helpful. Invest safely MD lurkers and elite. |
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Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
492
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Posted - 2013.03.09 22:17:00 -
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Send 10b back please. Hyperfleet Industries is selectivly recruiting. Enquire today. Killboard
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Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
178
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Posted - 2013.03.09 22:33:00 -
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Star Killer14 wrote:Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:I'd just like to say that I'm eagerly waiting to speak to the person who offers you 15B without collat'. To put it in perspective I will ask this: What can I do with 15 billion if I chose to steal it? Nothing useful. 1) If I steal 15 bilion I will have destroyed any reputation I had thus making any more fourms post meaningless. I have posted several times to buy BPC and I plan to do more posts as I continue to grow. 2) I will have made several people extreamly mad, probably mad enough to place massive bounties on me thus making all space unsafe for me to fly much in. I know that they can't legally attack me in hi sec but they would be much more tempted to and in low sec I may be targeted just beacuse of my bounty 3) My goal is to be able to buy whatever I want whenever I want and stealing 15 billion doesn't help me do this in the long run. As to be able to grow I plan to make more bonds and expand into more areas of EVE. 4) I would like to be able to lose a titan with a smile on my face because I can afford to replace it and 15 billion can't even buy me a decent supercarrier fit let alone a titan. So buy stealing it I would lose far more than what I could ever gain from it.
Not helping.
What could you do with 15 billion?
send it to your main and never be heard from again. |
Star Killer14
Core World Imperium
20
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Posted - 2013.03.12 06:20:00 -
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After looking back at what I have posted I have seen several mistakes that I made during the course of this bond. One of my largest was my initial offering of 15 billion which I now realize was impractical for my second bond. Several posts I made I had made with the best intentions but have been read to mean something else which was my fault for not being clear enough. I have learned from these mistakes and hope to avoid them in the future. Many of the people who posted commets I initaly completly disagreed with them but know I see they where right and I just was unable to admit that I had been wrong. These last few weeks have been very humbling to me.
I have several promising ideas that I can not hope to grow very effectivly without you. If you are intersted please send me a mail or convo me and we can talk about exactly how I plan to invest everything. I will be giving out api keys to all potential and current investers to show that I have a strong manufacturing base and knowledge. Over the last few weeks I have been thinking of better ways to optimize any investments I recieve and how to lower the risk of rapidly changing prices.
Several of my ideas is to spread the investment around, not only into BS but faction items that are in high demand. In order to minimize my risks due to mineral prices I will be buying almost all of my hi sec mineral localy thus avoiding shipping costs (which are small but ever present) and drastically reducing my mineral costs. I am most sure that I can have these orders filled in a decent amount of time. I wil not be buying them in just one spot but in several locations so my orders can be filled quickly. I will be buying faction module BPC in order to spread out any investments so that if the market were to crash it would not damage my projects as much as it could. I plan to check my mails and this thread regularly and I will be on later in the day (U.S. Time) to answer any questions. I hope to hear from you soon. |
Star Killer14
Core World Imperium
20
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Posted - 2013.03.15 18:21:00 -
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Have added a second bond and have started my BS production with what I have available but I am needing more funding in order for it to be more profitable. That is why I have started this bond.
Bond II Info
- 1.3 billion isk - Collateralized with (1.6 billion isk in BPO and decryptors) - 2% interest per month - Goes until summer expansion* - Only avalible to one invester, it will not be broken up into smaller peices - Optional rollover - Cash out option available within 48-72 hours of request. - Have yet to find a 3rd party as everyone I have contacted has been unavailbe to do it for various reasons. I will be contacting several other people if they would be available. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
361
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Posted - 2013.03.15 18:47:00 -
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Star Killer14 wrote: To put it in perspective I will ask this: What can I do with 15 billion if I chose to steal it? Nothing useful.
wait a sec.... ur asking us for 15b but on the other hand your claiming that you cant do anything usefull with that sum?
Star Killer14 wrote: 1) If I steal 15 bilion I will have destroyed any reputation I had thus making any more fourms post meaningless.
come on, we both know that there is no reputation you could lose from this point...15b are well worth making another alt. shar'ra phone home |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
245
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Posted - 2013.03.15 19:51:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Star Killer14 wrote: To put it in perspective I will ask this: What can I do with 15 billion if I chose to steal it? Nothing useful.
wait a sec.... ur asking us for 15b but on the other hand your claiming that you cant do anything usefull with that sum? Star Killer14 wrote: 1) If I steal 15 bilion I will have destroyed any reputation I had thus making any more fourms post meaningless.
come on, we both know that there is no reputation you could lose from this point...15b are well worth making another alt.
Calm down Shar. he's asking for 5 and the deal doesn't sound that bad any more.
We miss you Saede. |
I LIKE IT
HIGH RISK INVESTMENT
28
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Posted - 2013.03.17 06:56:00 -
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Star Killer14 wrote:Bond I Info
- 5 billion isk - Uncollateralized - 10% interest per month - Goes until Summer Expansion* - Minimum investment 100 million - Optional rollover - Cash out option available within 48-72 hours of request
I LIKE IT!
1B SENT
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Star Killer14
Core World Imperium
21
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Posted - 2013.03.17 17:52:00 -
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I can confirm 1 billion isk was sent by I LIKE IT. I will try to contact you in game some time today and thank you for the investment. |
Pinnel
Core World Imperium
0
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:33:00 -
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Throwing my two cents in. Further to a pleasant conversation with Star Killer14, I`d like to pledge 300m for Bond I |
Star Killer14
Core World Imperium
21
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Posted - 2013.03.17 19:08:00 -
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I can confirm I recieved 300 million isk from Pinnel. |
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