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Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:30:00 -
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Hello all.
Minmatar pilots, and our allies, are a varied lot, and we are spread over the width and breadth of the cluster; too rare are the times when we can speak with one another in peace, reconnect with our kin, or simply relax and chat with others without the interference or unwelcome presence of enemies.
To that end, I have re-purposed an old coms frequency;
The Standing Place
This is a channel for all who are friends of the Minmatar people, as well as, of course, Minmatar themselves, to converse, relax, and maybe even find some like-minded people to share your stories and Path with. This channel is quite closed, of course, to all who are enemies of the Minmatar people, and in the interest of those who may be recently freed, or having had traumatic previous experiences with slavery, any known slavers of ANY faction will be immediately banned from the channel.
This channel is for Minmatar pilots and their trusted allies. It is, of course, open to all who fit this description. Please conduct yourselves as mature pilots in the channel, but feel quite free to be yourselves.
Spirits guide you all,
Avlynka Tarkja Surionen |
Kentt Em'asep
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
79
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Posted - 2013.03.02 05:02:00 -
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The Standing Place is a good environment. Ever since you Ava and most of the other pilots moved on to other VR rooms, I and other members of my corporation Clone Red Creations have continued to inhabite it. The quietness was a good fealing to come to when trying to rest from the action on the Summit. Occationaly I would see a face other then those of my corporation but for the most part it was a good place for meditation. I and my friends look forward to meeting new faces and friends. ~"That's right. Today, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that...from here on until forever, every time you look at my avatar - you'll see this scowl." ~"Forever?" ~"Yes - forever. It's what I do." |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
486
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Posted - 2013.03.02 06:52:00 -
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Let's just say that the stress levels, confrontation levels and general drama levels promise to be much loss than certain other capsuleer venues that shall remain nameless...
It's refreshing not to be harassed by overzealous types who wish to force their religious and other viewpoints on the rest of us. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Mercy Kincaid
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.02 09:20:00 -
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Are Caldari welcome? I don't know all that much about your culture, but I wouldn't mind expanding my horizons if it's not too much of a bother. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1269
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Posted - 2013.03.02 09:54:00 -
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Mercy Kincaid wrote:Are Caldari welcome? I don't know all that much about your culture, but I wouldn't mind expanding my horizons if it's not too much of a bother.
This. I too would like to know. Shosho Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Diplomat ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Lasairiona
Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
14
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Posted - 2013.03.02 13:53:00 -
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I'll connect in! Has to be better than some other places. GÖÑ |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
679
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Posted - 2013.03.02 14:16:00 -
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As per the original post, anyone who does not have a history of supporting slavery and who is not engaged in hostile behavior against the Minmatar people is welcome. Part of the channel's purpose is so that others might meet Minmatar individuals for themselves, and not form opinions of us from heresay and a small sample.
In short, yes, Caldari are allowed, provided they follow the rules. EM Has Caldari members, and we are very proud of them. It is a Minmatar channel; what better place could there be for those who wish to learn about us a bit? |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
133
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Posted - 2013.03.02 14:17:00 -
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What about Matari who own slaves? I am friends with a bunch of those, as you might suspect, but please do cater to my undying curiosity. Just as a hypothetical situation, regarding your rules or admittance, would they be welcome or not?
Or did I misinterpret something and this is a political channel masquerading itself as an ethnic one? .stillwater |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
679
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Posted - 2013.03.02 14:20:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:What about Matari who own slaves? I am friends with a bunch of those, as you might suspect, but please do cater to my undying curiosity. Just as a hypothetical situation, regarding your rules or admittance, would they be welcome or not?
Or did I misinterpret something and this is a political channel masquerading itself as an ethnic one?
Anyone who owns slaves can find another venue.
I acknowledge no Matari who owns slaves as Minmatar.
Many of the channel's users, much like its founder, will be people who have experienced slavery, and part of its purpose is a place where healing from that experience, in some small way, can be accomplished, by speaking with others and finding mutual support and understanding.
You dont have whiskey vendors at meetings for recovering alcoholics.
We do not permit slave holders in a channel aimed at the group of people most negatively impacted by slavery.
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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
133
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Posted - 2013.03.02 14:23:00 -
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You shouldn't victimize, or rather patronize your channel patrons like that. But I guess you Republicans are like that. Can't go against the flow, hm?
Thank you for your answer in any case. .stillwater |
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Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
681
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Posted - 2013.03.02 14:25:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:You shouldn't victimize, or rather patronize your channel patrons like that. But I guess you Republicans are like that. Can't go against the flow, hm?
Thank you for your answer in any case.
Thank you for telling me what I should and shouldnt do, in a channel who's purpose is to allow Minmatar people to converse "away from their enemies".
You may want to train reading comprehension to 1 and reread the OP. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
133
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Posted - 2013.03.02 14:29:00 -
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It was a suggestion, not an order. For that, I'd have to put a slave collar around your neck first, ms. Surionen. I know my manners, unlike some.
And regarding your OP, I have read it. I was just asking about a little grey spot you left open there, regarding matari people who own slaves. As you might know, the term 'minmatar' is often considered an ethnic, rather than a political one. It's more a matter of your writing than my reading, in that sense. .stillwater |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
681
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Posted - 2013.03.02 14:32:00 -
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No, I am still pretty sure its your reading.
"People of any faction who own slaves will be immediately banned from the channel"
Is pretty clear. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
133
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Posted - 2013.03.02 14:35:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:No, I am still pretty sure its your reading.
"People of any faction who own slaves will be immediately banned from the channel"
Is pretty clear.
*it's
Also, in the context of some people thinking 'minmatar' being an ethnic term, which I have encountered a lot of times...
Quote:This is a channel for all who are friends of the Minmatar people, as well as, of course, Minmatar themselves...
This one could be rather misinterpreted. I simply helped to make your message be more clear. No need to be so hostile, mon chere.
.stillwater |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
432
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Posted - 2013.03.02 15:57:00 -
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*Ma ch+¿re. |
Karmilla Strife
Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships.
39
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Posted - 2013.03.02 16:12:00 -
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I wish the best of luck with this endeavor. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
493
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Posted - 2013.03.02 16:19:00 -
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Your attempt to speak ancient Gallentean sucks as much as your logic, Caine. Please go back to torturing, kidnapping and killing innocents and leave the rest of us decent people in peace.
Maybe you should start your own channel for slavers. At least you wouldn't get perma-banned from that one. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Karmilla Strife
Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships.
39
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Posted - 2013.03.02 16:21:00 -
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Actually, I believe he was banned from Imperial Congregation. |
Bai'xao Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings Tei-Su Syndicate
32
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Posted - 2013.03.03 14:35:00 -
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Ava, I know I'm in my cousins corporation, that she has slaves. But may I join the channel?..
Some things have happened, I want to return to the place I called home more then anything else in the world. As for my cousin.. I'm trying to change her without hurting her. I still care for her regardless of her holdership, shes the only family I have apart from my grandparents. |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1241
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Posted - 2013.03.04 07:59:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Leopold Caine wrote:What about Matari who own slaves? I am friends with a bunch of those, as you might suspect, but please do cater to my undying curiosity. Just as a hypothetical situation, regarding your rules or admittance, would they be welcome or not?
Or did I misinterpret something and this is a political channel masquerading itself as an ethnic one? Anyone who owns slaves can find another venue. I acknowledge no Matari who owns slaves as Minmatar. Many of the channel's users, much like its founder, will be people who have experienced slavery, and part of its purpose is a place where healing from that experience, in some small way, can be accomplished, by speaking with others and finding mutual support and understanding. You dont have whiskey vendors at meetings for recovering alcoholics. We do not permit slave holders in a channel aimed at the group of people most negatively impacted by slavery.
What about Minmatar who don't own slaves but come from a religious background? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
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Halete
Alexylva Paradox
688
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Posted - 2013.03.04 10:28:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: What about Minmatar who don't own slaves but come from a religious background?
It is rude of me but I shall answer for Ava, and if I am wrong I expect that she will correct and chastise me rightly. Of course they would be, we believe in freedom of faith, you cretinous fool. And loathe, should I be proven wrong consider me a cretin.
I however am finding the rules of entry foggy. You know, Ava, that I am engaged in a hostile relationship with Electus Matari and her Republic. But I am a friend of the Minmatar people and the Sebiestor are my highest priority. So, Ava, will you acknowledge that or would I be denied access? Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
708
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:49:00 -
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Halete, well said, and yes, you would certainly be permitted. Please, join us.
Minmatar who follow the Amarrian faith are quite welcome to join, unless, of course, they are involved in slavery.
Thank you all. |
Turgai Oyugun
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.04 21:03:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Halete, well said, and yes, you would certainly be permitted. Please, join us.
Minmatar who follow the Amarrian faith are quite welcome to join, unless, of course, they are involved in slavery.
Thank you all.
Then they are no longer Matari if they follow a faith based on slavery.
We are not just defined by our race, but our history,beliefs, tradition and experience. You cannot be Matari and follow the Amarrian "religion". |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
89
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Posted - 2013.03.04 21:11:00 -
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Turgai Oyugun wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:Halete, well said, and yes, you would certainly be permitted. Please, join us.
Minmatar who follow the Amarrian faith are quite welcome to join, unless, of course, they are involved in slavery.
Thank you all. Then they are no longer Matari if they follow a faith based on slavery. We are not just defined by our race, but our history,beliefs, tradition and experience. You cannot be Matari and follow the Amarrian "religion".
While a bit draconian, I can sympathize. From a purely biological standpoint, there are many who can be called Civire, Sebiestor, Achur or whatever. In all those cases, this isn't enough to earn those badges though. I could so easily cease to be Caldari. I could join the enemy and become something else entirely. A Guri, a Feddie, or whatever else that'd throw aside the cultural aspects of my identity.
For better or for worse, it seems that the Empire has had a significant impact on the Minmatar cultural aspects, one of which seems (understandably) to focus on that silly faith and more importantly on the slavery aspects of their enemy.
Would someone devoted to the Amarrian faith be counted as a Minmatar identity? Not everyone seem to think so, and as a Caldari who's been teetering on the edge of our own identity I can certainly understand that. Many things are quite simply not acceptable from someone if they're to call themselves Caldari. The same seems to hold true to any other badge you'd try and wear. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
437
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Posted - 2013.03.04 22:15:00 -
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Turgai Oyugun wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:Halete, well said, and yes, you would certainly be permitted. Please, join us.
Minmatar who follow the Amarrian faith are quite welcome to join, unless, of course, they are involved in slavery.
Thank you all. Then they are no longer Matari if they follow a faith based on slavery. We are not just defined by our race, but our history,beliefs, tradition and experience. You cannot be Matari and follow the Amarrian "religion".
The Amarrian Faith is not based on slavery.
The Amarrian Tradition however, is. |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
720
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Posted - 2013.03.05 01:43:00 -
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And if part of the channel's purpose is to enable ALL Minmatar an avenue to reconnect to their lost heritage?
I do not wish to shun any Matari based on their current belief.
I would hope they would gain some insight and a deeper understanding through conversing with myself and others, and decide to return home.
A Minmatar slave who was raised to follow the Amarrian religion can be expected to know nothing else. I will NOT turn my back on such individuals, because some extremist points of view might say I should.
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
606
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Posted - 2013.03.05 02:48:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:And if part of the channel's purpose is to enable ALL Minmatar an avenue to reconnect to their lost heritage?
I do not wish to shun any Matari based on their current belief.
I would hope they would gain some insight and a deeper understanding through conversing with myself and others, and decide to return home.
A Minmatar slave who was raised to follow the Amarrian religion can be expected to know nothing else. I will NOT turn my back on such individuals, because some extremist points of view might say I should. Do those of you crying for "freedom" intend to free these individuals, and then shun them?
If so, please seek a shaman at your earliest convenience. Your spirit is in need of guidance.
You've always been very wise, shaman. This is a wonderful idea and I'm so happy to see that you've started it :) I hope that I will one day be able to attend and watch. |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1241
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:03:00 -
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Halete wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: What about Minmatar who don't own slaves but come from a religious background?
...Of course they would be, we believe in freedom of faith, you cretinous fool...
So you would be willing to condemn the murders of Abel Jarek and the other religious Minmatar who have been martyred for their faith? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Halete
Alexylva Paradox
688
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:14:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: So you would be willing to condemn the murders of Abel Jarek and the other religious Minmatar who have been martyred for their faith?
This is a simple question for me, personally. The answer is absolutely yes. It couldn't be much simpler than that. Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
Conventia Underking
Underking Family
146
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Posted - 2013.03.05 08:40:00 -
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I have visited before and hopefully I will be able to visit again. Thanks for the posting, Shaman Surionen. For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!
The Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking |
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