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March rabbit
No Name No Pain
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:42:00 -
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Roime wrote:March rabbit wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its a cascade effect and it will happen because it has happened every single time to every game that has added an arena. It will not add new pvpers because the people who dont pvp now will not pvp in the future for the exact same reasons they don't pvp now. The only people who will join the arena are the people who pvp now and that is how the cascade happens. well. maybe you right after all. i have no such experience in MMO (Eve Online is my first). However i can say: i would join Arena because i like to PvP but have no interest to meet bottom feeders. :D Dude your "pvp" is shooting pods in hisec, there are no worse bottom feeders than you :D not really. pods are almost invulnerable if piloted right.
autopiloting freighters or afk mining miners are for bottom feeders. alliance tech- fountains and reshipping programs is for bottom feeders.
Roime wrote: just admit it, you don't like risk. not right. i don't care about losing ships (and this can be seen in my KB). And i had some 1vs1 when i won and lost.
I shoot pods because i'm lazy and i like to kick bottom feeder's asses |
Rico Minali
The Straw Men Dark Therapy
1255
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:27:00 -
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I hope to god this never happens. With all the pvp nerfing and making hisec into a safe playground this would just nail this even harder into death. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Mathrin
Synthetic Solution Synthetic Systems
67
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:40:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:March rabbit wrote:baltec1 wrote:March rabbit wrote:so basically you mean: what would please ALL players of this game is BAD. great point of view. another option: your "nobody" and "all" words mean just some group of Eve Online players? If this is right then give any reason why you automatically prefer another (let call it "second") group of players (who will not use this feature) to this group (let call it "first")? I can guess this is because you are from second group who based on killing players from first one. And if they will evade your aggro you will need to fight players from seconds group which will make big risk People will join the arena meaning less targets so more will join the arena to get fights meaning less targets meaning in order to find a fight you have to look even harder or click a button and join a fight now. one note: people who enjoy Pvp in current style won't leave to arena (why will they?). So only people who will leave are those who don't like PvP in current state. It means they possibly don't engage in PvP already (so called carebears). So again: there will be no loss of active PvPers. There will be only some increasing of PvP in arena from those who don't like (and possibly don't do) PvP in game already. Yes. You can lose some targets. Who are they? There are people who want to do PvP but they are constantly getting roflstomped/griefed/camped/etc and at the result they are getting tired of PvP. And yes, when arena is present they will leave in-game PvP and went to "honourable" PvP on arena. There is few notes here: - not sure there is considerable amount of these players - these players will leave PvP at some point anyway. If there will be no Arena they will just leave the game or become "carebears". Its a cascade effect and it will happen because it has happened every single time to every game that has added an arena. It will not add new pvpers because the people who dont pvp now will not pvp in the future for the exact same reasons they don't pvp now. The only people who will join the arena are the people who pvp now and that is how the cascade happens.
People are lazy. If we had arenas they would take the easy route and use those. Players with skill sets like combat scanning, FCing, hunting, evading, and camping would die out. New players who enter the game would use these arenas from there early days and thus never learn these skills or leave the arenas.
After long enough arenas would have the true 'F1 warriors'
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brinelan
The Flying Dead Dauntless.
22
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:12:00 -
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Isn't this whole game a pvp arena? |
Bud Austrene
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:35:00 -
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Getsafe Aisak wrote:If you want consensual PVP with no consequences there already is at least three options: - Duels on trade hub undocks - Red vs Blue in highsec - Blue vs Blue in nullsec
I do not believe any of those in favor of CCP sponsored arenas have said anything about there being no consequences.
I do believe the the basic idea of the arena that is being put forth is based only on the idea of a level playing field. That is a fair fight.
I personally, do not see any reason to change the consequences from what the PVP consequences are now. And that is the loser, gets podded and loses his ship just as the loser does now. The winner gets to loot and salvage the losers ship.
The only difference from the way PVP is now is that having an unfair advantage would not be permitted. What would be considered an unfair advantage would have to be worked out, but superior numbers I am sure would not be allowed.
Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers |
Cavalira
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
59
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:00:00 -
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World of Warcraft got Battlegrounds and Arenas. If you look at the World of Warcraft world-pvp, you'll quickly realize it's even more dead than EVE Online. Eventually we'll run into "combo" problems, which we can already see in the EVE tournaments and in WoW. You might end up with 4-5 decent setups that work well with the current balancing, and you'll continuously fight them. |
Google Voices
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2013.03.05 20:21:00 -
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What is that saying that people like so much?
"Adapt or die?"
I fail to see how an Arena would hurt EVE.
It would instead help it by providing an additional form of combat that some people might like. People that don't like it, wouldn't ever have to be involved in it. Honor duels wouldn't appeal to gankers, pirates or lowsec, but then, how would it affect them negatively?
Would it draw people to the game you don't like? Certainly, but it would also drive more revenue, and perhaps get CCP off their collective butts, and back to work on actual expansions, and not fixing problems that have been in the game for a decade.
Besides, I fail to see how bringing more people to the game, people that you probably won't like, is a bad thing.....They will still undock, so your targets will multiple.....
"Fozzie could not comment on when this issue would be resolved and stated that GÇ£one day Veritas will come up to me and say GÇÿhey I fixed off-grid boostingGÇÖGÇ¥, but he had no idea on a potential timeframe for this sort of miracle." |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
640
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Posted - 2013.03.05 22:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
You really need to get out of you little world bubble and see by yourself what happens in SISI then use your brains to understand why there is no more people over there playing with free stuff.
I see a problem with your reasoning, SISI is risk free and you get stuff for free but players are not playing there, can you explain us why?
Because the people you are wanting arenas for do not exist. They never have and never will, the thing that stops them from doing pvp now will be the same thing that stops them in the furture no matter what you do.
No my friend, you don't want them to exist and you even refuse to admit they might exist, openly. It's not the same at all.
If there's no one on SISI it's because unlike you 150 year old crazy guys rabble all the time, accept and like risks on TQ. There's a huge difference in accepting risks when you log in and have not much of a choice than be the meat or the slave of whatever nerd.
You guys were wrongly mocking when guys asked a "duel" system, like you guys always moan and ***** about everything that touches your tr+ál+ál+á and right now bitching about this Arena thing with, yet again, same boring bad arguments a huge part of the community is bored to hell of reading or listening to.
Happy for us, people who actually care and like CCP and their product, since 2003 (I'm not playing since then) they have made their product evolve, add new content and done major game changes players never wanted anyway but finally like them. This is how they made it get to the 10 year mark, by innovating some concepts a-la Icelandic sauce with their success and their less successful stuff, the arena concept is just another one they can get different, interesting, and yet another opportunity to offer new fun tools for their players and increase ships destruction.
Disclaimer: they will not make it mandatory, so you don't have to worry about.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
640
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Posted - 2013.03.05 22:33:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote: With all the pvp nerfing and making hisec into a safe playground this would just nail this even harder into death.
Yes, go ahead and tell us all what your brains told you, how much high sec would become risk freee yada ya, kitty online, blah blah blah, if there were Arenas in "tournament" like style.
Because I'm sure your omniscient abilities already knows how this would be implemented, and so bad for the game.
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Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
509
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Posted - 2013.03.06 00:44:00 -
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You want a PvP arena?
How about I wardec your alliance for your bad posts? |
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Lin Suizei
111
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Posted - 2013.03.06 01:10:00 -
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Google Voices wrote:I fail to see how an Arena would hurt EVE.
It would instead help it by providing an additional form of combat that some people might like. People that don't like it, wouldn't ever have to be involved in it. Honor duels wouldn't appeal to gankers, pirates or lowsec, but then, how would it affect them negatively?
There's already a duelling system, and you can always just warp to a safespot and have lasers at 20 paces or what have you... there's no need to make special accomodations for people who can't find friends to fight with them.
Edit: Have you even been to lowsec? Most pirates I know will do 1v1 frigates for ***** and giggles. Xeros S*** > are you really suprised? im not here to pvp so why the fuc not Xeros S**** > oh go cry somewhere else, im not in fw for the ****** pvp
Welcome to faction war. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
458
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Posted - 2013.03.06 02:48:00 -
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Lin Suizei wrote:Google Voices wrote:I fail to see how an Arena would hurt EVE.
It would instead help it by providing an additional form of combat that some people might like. People that don't like it, wouldn't ever have to be involved in it. Honor duels wouldn't appeal to gankers, pirates or lowsec, but then, how would it affect them negatively? There's already a duelling system, and you can always just warp to a safespot and have lasers at 20 paces or what have you... there's no need to make special accomodations for people who can't find friends to fight with them. Edit: Have you even been to lowsec? Most pirates I know will do 1v1 frigates for ***** and giggles.
Seemed pretty clear to me....The Dueling we have now, isn't dueling......
"duel 1. a prearranged combat between two persons, fought with deadly weapons according to an accepted code of procedure, especially to settle a private quarrel."
Since there is no "accepted code of procedure", any outside person can and will interfere, people will use offgrid boosting, implants, expensive fits all to gain an advantage, it's not a duel.....
The only possibility of having a real dueling system is to have an Arena. Players present themselves and their chosen ships, the Arena boss scans to verify that whatever agreed upon rules are not violated, then they are popped into the Arena.
Not sure why people have such an issue with this, other than Griefers losing the opportunity to screw up some else's duel...
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Kalanaja
Dog Nation United S2N Citizens
35
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Posted - 2013.03.06 03:26:00 -
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Even if they were to add arenas, the people that do not pvp in the first place still won't do it since they are RISK averse. If they won't risk having a ship outside of an arena getting blown up then they're not going to risk a ship inside an arena and have it blown up. Its a no-win situation. If they add an arena then the people that PVP now will just use those. And that's when the economy will start crashing because you'll have more people queueing and floating in space afk at the space arena masters or afk in station waiting for their turn to enter so they can shoot some. I played on a WOW PVP server. It was freaking great! I enjoyed it immensely for the sheer fact of having to watch my back in all the contested areas. Then blizztard brought in the arenas. After that doing quests and instances and getting gear became a complete faceroll because everyone started doing those instead for the points and the NPC goodies they could get. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2149
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Posted - 2013.03.06 05:53:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Since there is no "accepted code of procedure", any outside person can and will interfere, people will use offgrid boosting, implants, expensive fits all to gain an advantage, it's not a duel.....
Ok, now I get it. Hisec people don't have honor or integrity, and they need enforced rules and a watered-down entertainment sports made out of violence to act like decent, normal people.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
March rabbit
No Name No Pain
583
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Posted - 2013.03.06 09:14:00 -
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Roime wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Since there is no "accepted code of procedure", any outside person can and will interfere, people will use offgrid boosting, implants, expensive fits all to gain an advantage, it's not a duel.....
Ok, now I get it. Hisec people don't have honor or integrity, and they need enforced rules and a watered-down entertainment sports made out of violence to act like decent, normal people. yea. because this is you have no honor if you were tricked. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1883
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Posted - 2013.03.06 09:57:00 -
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Bud Austrene wrote:Getsafe Aisak wrote:If you want consensual PVP with no consequences there already is at least three options: - Duels on trade hub undocks - Red vs Blue in highsec - Blue vs Blue in nullsec I do not believe any of those in favor of CCP sponsored arenas have said anything about there being no consequences. I do believe the the basic idea of the arena that is being put forth is based only on the idea of a level playing field. That is a fair fight. I personally, do not see any reason to change the consequences from what the PVP consequences are now. And that is the loser, gets podded and loses his ship just as the loser does now. The winner gets to loot and salvage the losers ship. The only difference from the way PVP is now is that having an unfair advantage would not be permitted. What would be considered an unfair advantage would have to be worked out, but superior numbers I am sure would not be allowed. It ain't supposed to be fair. Fairness has never been Eve's design philosophy and being a sandbox it should never be.
CCP Soundwave wrote: Why would I want to balance a fight? That's never really been the goal in EVE and the war dec system wasn't built for that either.
The consequences is that it drives away from the sandbox concept where everything you do in this game, someone else can come in, kick your sandcastle then laugh at you. That's the basic premise of a sandbox, everyone can do anything they want and everyone else can do anything they want to you. Arena is a controlled environment in a closed instance, you can't join in when the game tells you that you can't, it's "wrong" in the context of Eve because it devoids of that basic premise. Hence, it is not something that should exist in Eve.
"I'd rather have other players-áget shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave |
Rico Minali
The Straw Men Dark Therapy
1257
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Posted - 2013.03.06 10:05:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Rico Minali wrote: With all the pvp nerfing and making hisec into a safe playground this would just nail this even harder into death. Yes, go ahead and tell us all what your brains told you, how much high sec would become risk freee yada ya, kitty online, blah blah blah, if there were Arenas in "tournament" like style. Because I'm sure your omniscient abilities already knows how this would be implemented, and so bad for the game.
Getting your troll quota up this month forum alt? Post with main or gtfo.
Hisec pvp is already badly damaged wether anyone liked it or not. Arenas dont make any sense in what is supposed to be an immersive game, already immersion is totally farked with nonsensical faction war that isnt a war between factions and hisec incursions that the military and authorities ignore.
Hisec is becoming an amusement park a bit at a time and losing that old school harsh Eve aspect. Argue the point all you like but the fact remains.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Ai Shun
902
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Posted - 2013.03.06 10:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Because the people you are wanting arenas for do not exist. They never have and never will, the thing that stops them from doing pvp now will be the same thing that stops them in the furture no matter what you do.
Why would people think removing the incentive to participate in all of EVE Online is a good thing? And why would they think that replacing the incentive to participate in the game with a reason not to do so is a good thing? It is madness. Malcanis for CSM7 - here Malcanis on High-sec - here |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
644
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Posted - 2013.03.06 10:58:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:Bud Austrene wrote:Getsafe Aisak wrote:If you want consensual PVP with no consequences there already is at least three options: - Duels on trade hub undocks - Red vs Blue in highsec - Blue vs Blue in nullsec I do not believe any of those in favor of CCP sponsored arenas have said anything about there being no consequences. I do believe the the basic idea of the arena that is being put forth is based only on the idea of a level playing field. That is a fair fight. I personally, do not see any reason to change the consequences from what the PVP consequences are now. And that is the loser, gets podded and loses his ship just as the loser does now. The winner gets to loot and salvage the losers ship. The only difference from the way PVP is now is that having an unfair advantage would not be permitted. What would be considered an unfair advantage would have to be worked out, but superior numbers I am sure would not be allowed. It ain't supposed to be fair. Fairness has never been Eve's design philosophy and being a sandbox it should never be. CCP Soundwave wrote: Why would I want to balance a fight? That's never really been the goal in EVE and the war dec system wasn't built for that either.
The consequences is that it drives away from the sandbox concept where everything you do in this game, someone else can come in, kick your sandcastle then laugh at you. That's the basic premise of a sandbox, everyone can do anything they want and everyone else can do anything they want to you. Arena is a controlled environment in a closed instance, you can't join in when the game tells you that you can't, it's "wrong" in the context of Eve because it devoids of that basic premise. Hence, it is not something that should exist in Eve.
I'm quite sure our Icelandic waccos can come up with something fun
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
139
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Posted - 2013.03.06 14:38:00 -
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Honestly, its a terrible idea. |
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Bud Austrene
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.03.06 18:58:00 -
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I really do not see how making arena type play would ruin EVE. I don't believe that the gankers will give up ganking for the sake of a fair fight.
I do not see why it would be anything but a positive addition to the game play. I believe that it would attract and keep more new players. I am sure that there would be enough arena players that, not being totally satisfied, and would succumb to the darker side of EVE PVP. You could think of it as a new training ground for your next partner or maybe victim.
To incorporate an arena in EVE would be an additional attraction and add to the appeal of EVE. There will be more of the harsher side of EVE because more people will be playing EVE.
The more people playing EVE, The more money CCP makes; The more money CCP makes, The more likely EVE will survive.
Look around you, stagnation is death. If EVE does not grow, it will die. Other game makers are continually trying to get you to leave EVE and go play their games. EVE needs to stay competitive in the Market place or some thing better will come along and steal away the players. Eve does need to maintain its PVP niche in the Market.
I see that haveing an arena system (properly run) would have benefits for everyone. More people would be in the game because there is this fun thing (arena) to do but few would do only that. That would provide customers, victims, bigger and more fleets, resources would become more valuable, more enemies and more friends to help you shoot your enemies.
I mean really, what do you want and how does it contribute to EVE's benefit? Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2151
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Posted - 2013.03.06 19:16:00 -
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We want EVE to stay special. To keeps it's uncontrollable, risky full loot open world PVP and nothing else.
It's the reason why we love this game. It's the reason why it feels "real". Arranged fights are not "real", they are games inside a game.
Quote:Eve does need to maintain its PVP niche in the Market.
This one you got right. Saying no to Arena games is the way to maintain the PVP niche.
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Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
630
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Posted - 2013.03.06 19:17:00 -
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Vets can argue all they want but I think EVE needs a pvp arena if we want to see a less risk adverse culture grow in EVE.
Noobs need to be shown how fun pvp is and that they have the potential to have a bigger effect on the game.
Is my bitter vet membership card in the mail? |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
4727
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Posted - 2013.03.06 19:37:00 -
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Bud Austrene wrote:I really do not see how making arena type play would ruin EVE. I don't believe that the gankers will give up ganking for the sake of a fair fight.
I do not see why it would be anything but a positive addition to the game play. I believe that it would attract and keep more new players. I am sure that there would be enough arena players that, not being totally satisfied, and would succumb to the darker side of EVE PVP. You could think of it as a new training ground for your next partner or maybe victim.
To incorporate an arena in EVE would be an additional attraction and add to the appeal of EVE. There will be more of the harsher side of EVE because more people will be playing EVE.
The more people playing EVE, The more money CCP makes; The more money CCP makes, The more likely EVE will survive.
Look around you, stagnation is death. If EVE does not grow, it will die. Other game makers are continually trying to get you to leave EVE and go play their games. EVE needs to stay competitive in the Market place or some thing better will come along and steal away the players. Eve does need to maintain its PVP niche in the Market.
I see that haveing an arena system (properly run) would have benefits for everyone. More people would be in the game because there is this fun thing (arena) to do but few would do only that. That would provide customers, victims, bigger and more fleets, resources would become more valuable, more enemies and more friends to help you shoot your enemies.
I mean really, what do you want and how does it contribute to EVE's benefit?
The fundamental problem is, that an arena system similar to other MMOs have is counter to everything EVE is based on. It could work if you made it non-instanced, gave it real ship losses and CCP offered no rewards for doing it. This isn't what people mean when they talk about arenas though.
Besides that it creates problems for the rest of the game. The PvP population the game has will be split. This is an issue because of the fact, that the enjoyment of the world PvP depends heavily on the number of players flying in that world. It will snowball because an arena will suck players away from world PvP, which in turn makes it worse, which leads to more players choosing the casual access arenas. It simply sucks the life out of the actual gameworld. With a themepark this is pretty much irrelevant, but with a sandbox it takes away the whole point of playing in the EVE universe. Now the effect won't be total, but it'll make the world poorer especially in the PvP department.
It also won't be a training ground for world PvP. Primarily because people who don't world PvP now won't be doing it with arenas. Majority of them will either ignore the arena or do arena only for the all same reasons they avoid world PvP now. It also won't attract significantly more players for the simple reason, that more then every other game has arenas already. People who see arenas as must have thing are already playing something else and EVE arenas won't offer anything special compared to the competition.
Your fearmongering about stagnation is hilarious because EVE is one of the few games still growing while most of the games with arenas aren't. I don't therefore see how you can offer it as some kind of a miracle cure, when it didn't save them or get EVE players to go there. You then justify it by syaing it's needed to maintain EVE's PvP niche. You mean maintain that special niche by copying what others have made? Maintain it by trying to be what others are? What other worse games, what other failed games are? I think you're just trying to fling everything that comes to mind at us and hoping something might stick without actually thinking about how incoherent it makes your argument.
As I initially said arena tools might ba an ok addition, but they'd have to be limited to the point it's not really an arena system anymore. It would be more of an tournament making tool for the players, that allowed interfering, caused actual losses and where the players provide the rewards. So nothing like arenas from other games, but a tool made for EVE for the players to create more content in the sandbox. Something to help them manage the things they already do. That would a good addition to the game. Copied, ill-fitting arena systems from other themepark MMOs, not so much.
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Bud Austrene
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.03.06 19:44:00 -
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Roime wrote:We want EVE to stay special. To keeps it's uncontrollable, risky full loot open world PVP and nothing else. It's the reason why we love this game. It's the reason why it feels "real". Arranged fights are not "real", they are games inside a game. Quote:Eve does need to maintain its PVP niche in the Market. This one you got right. Saying no to Arena games is the way to maintain the PVP niche.
Have you ever done missions (a mainstay of the game)? They are very controllable. But they are not what really defines EVE.
What defines EVE is just not the PVP side of the sandbox. If I chose, I could play and never undock. Their are many sides of EVE and it is that diversity that makes EVE so fun.
Think about it. how much fun would it be if everyone played at exactly what you do and played exactly how you do. Diversity is the spice of life and of fun.
Arenas would not take anything from what and how you play. You do not have to participate. You do not even have to acknowledge that they exist. Arenas would not have a negative impact on your game play any more than the WOW arenas do now.
Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers |
Bud Austrene
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.03.06 20:38:00 -
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What about just making the dueling system such that cheating is not possible? That is basically the type of arena venue I am in favor of.
Is cheating such a big issue that having one place where it is not possible such a big thing? Could some one explain why having one place where cheating was not allowed would just ruin EVE?
Just because EVE has survived for so long does not mean that CCP has not been fixing it and improving it on a continual bases. There have been hard times when without CCP's improvements EVE would have died. So yes stagnation is death, open you eyes.
To introduce a formal dueling system with out cheating options would grow the game. For every old PVPer that succumb to the temptation, there would be a more new PVPers that, disillusioned with the fairness, would be attracted to the cheating side of EVE.
People will be people and most want to have an unfair advantage. Only a few like to earn what they get. Most feel that if you can get away with it, then it is ok.
You don't seem to realize the safe arenas would bring more players into the game and that a good portion of them will not stay there. The temptation to be able to cheat outside the arena would be to great for a lot of new players.
Everybody wants something for nothing. Use the safe arenas to attract new players and older ones into PVPing and simply rely on human nature to handle the rest.
Sure there will be a few who will never fight outside of the arena system. They will be a good thing. They will get very good and make a name for themselves (we should have a gladiator standing board). They will cause all their opponents to feel that they can not hope to compete without an edge.
Do you ever fight without an edge or without fearing that your opponent has an edge? It is in human nature to be that way.
The idea of safe dueling (arena) would benefit everyone Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1307
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Posted - 2013.03.06 20:40:00 -
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Bud Austrene wrote:safe arenas lol If you're not already part of a bloc, this is the best guy for CSM8. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
501
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Posted - 2013.03.06 21:03:00 -
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Sivren Ravenwood wrote:Hey I am not much for big words and alot of talking but like the title says PvP Arena. It would be nice to have one like they have in other MMO's just you and your friends que up and a few moments later you all are off fighting in a far away place that no one can but in. I think it would be a good idea and also let new players try PvP with out haveing to make 20jumps and get podded by some one who has been playing for years. So I ask yall what yall think about this idea and with some luck some one at CCP will read this and bring it up to the DEVS.
Eve is hard, adapt or die
Eve already has a arena for pvp. Its called anywhere undocked. Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head. |
Irsam Samri
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.03.06 21:15:00 -
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Hey hey hey - Stop the WOW comparisons PvP in eve is fun but it does lack a certain structured framework that other games have had and are using to make a good game.
Eve PvP has a tendency to be chaotic and devolve into - only engage with the perception of superior numbers. This is a great aspect of Eve and it's what people defend, and that's fine. It should be understood however that there is a niche missing which is more structured and strategic fights. Look at it this way - Arena PvP with generally equal starting chances is akin to a chess game, and current Eve PvP is like a food fight in the lunch room in junior highschool (haha)
I play Eve for for the chess side aspect of how fights will pay out, but also enjoy the thrill of being hunted everywhere I go. I wished factional warfare had some mechanisms in place to promote even fights - like what if there was a limit on the amount of people that could use an acceleration gate for each faction? say 3 for a small - there you go, you have a perfect mechanism for 3v3 fights. Doubtful this will ever happen though, which is a reason I might move on to other games :) |
Irsam Samri
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.03.06 21:18:00 -
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Bud Austrene wrote:What about just making the dueling system such that cheating is not possible? That is basically the type of arena venue I am in favor of.
Is cheating such a big issue that having one place where it is not possible such a big thing? Could some one explain why having one place where cheating was not allowed would just ruin EVE?
Just because EVE has survived for so long does not mean that CCP has not been fixing it and improving it on a continual bases. There have been hard times when without CCP's improvements EVE would have died. So yes stagnation is death, open you eyes.
To introduce a formal dueling system with out cheating options would grow the game. For every old PVPer that succumb to the temptation, there would be a more new PVPers that, disillusioned with the fairness, would be attracted to the cheating side of EVE.
People will be people and most want to have an unfair advantage. Only a few like to earn what they get. Most feel that if you can get away with it, then it is ok.
You don't seem to realize the safe arenas would bring more players into the game and that a good portion of them will not stay there. The temptation to be able to cheat outside the arena would be to great for a lot of new players.
Everybody wants something for nothing. Use the safe arenas to attract new players and older ones into PVPing and simply rely on human nature to handle the rest.
Sure there will be a few who will never fight outside of the arena system. They will be a good thing. They will get very good and make a name for themselves (we should have a gladiator standing board). They will cause all their opponents to feel that they can not hope to compete without an edge.
Do you ever fight without an edge or without fearing that your opponent has an edge? It is in human nature to be that way.
The idea of safe dueling (arena) would benefit everyone
Agreed - there is not much for the rest of Eve to lose - it just provides a mechanism for fun - which would draw new players in most likely. And players that would move on to aspects of the game like FW and null. The same people that bash the Arena Idea |
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