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Henry Montclaire
42nd Devils and Dragons Dalek Asylum
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Posted - 2013.03.04 05:27:00 -
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I usually don't pay much attention to drones, but I distinctly remember that my bouncers used to fire bursts of what looked like and sounded like autocannon fire, and I thought it was really really neat (being stuck in a Dominix with its rather boring attacks).
Now, for a couple of months at least, probably since the release of Retributions, all of my drones, bouncers included, are shooting standard blue beams with a stock boring sound effect.
Why?!?!?!
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Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
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Posted - 2013.03.04 05:37:00 -
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I asked this when they first released Retribution. CCP have gotten lazy. No joke. Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:38:00 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:I asked this when they first released Retribution. CCP have gotten lazy. No joke.
Lazy and dishonest.
Ahem... from the Patch Notes:
Quote:NPCs will now only target drones in their size category. Elite frigates and cruisers NPCs will go for small drones and above. Frigates and Cruisers NPCs will go for medium drones and above. Battleship NPCs will go for large drones.
This is, of course, complete horse pucky, as demonstrated in this screen grab of a entire mob of battleships opening fire on a flight of light drones in synch with each other.
Oh, and AI battleships can target lock a small drone in under five seconds, too, which is funny because in a player driven battleship and you'd be lucky if you can do the same under fifteen seconds. Don't even get me going on sentries - it's just launch, fire one shot and recall and if you're lucky they'll only get hit by one salvo from fifteen different rats at once.
As usual they promised the moon and delivered a golf ball.
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Fouljin
Walk the Line Meteor Blitzkrieg
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:45:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Siigari Kitawa wrote:I asked this when they first released Retribution. CCP have gotten lazy. No joke. Lazy and dishonest. Ahem... from the Patch Notes: Quote:NPCs will now only target drones in their size category. Elite frigates and cruisers NPCs will go for small drones and above. Frigates and Cruisers NPCs will go for medium drones and above. Battleship NPCs will go for large drones.
This is, of course, complete horse pucky, as demonstrated in this screen grab of a entire mob of battleships opening fire on a flight of light drones in synch with each other. Oh, and AI battleships can target lock a small drone in under five seconds, too, which is funny because in a player driven battleship and you'd be lucky if you can do the same under fifteen seconds. Don't even get me going on sentries - it's just launch, fire one shot and recall and if you're lucky they'll only get hit by one salvo from fifteen different rats at once. As usual they promised the moon and delivered a golf ball.
Funny. I have done dozens of lvl 4 security missions in Amarr space and have no trouble what so ever flying a droneboat, Dominix. Only frigates and cruisers have targetted my drones, battleship class rats have ignored my drones completely, even my sentries. Frigates and cruisers do however, target and attack all size drones, even heavys and sentries. Haven't lost a single drone so far. Always kill small rats first anyway before they even get to pew pew range.
More anoying is that intensive td from sansha. Then again, curistas haven't been jamming my ships at all.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2013.03.04 09:13:00 -
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You said Dominix... and I am now heating piano wire over a candle flame. EvE Forum Bingo |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.03.04 09:20:00 -
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I agree, the drone dmg fx are pathetic. Without zooming in very close there's no way to even notice them.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
337
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Posted - 2013.03.04 09:45:00 -
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I remember a time where some sentries had a slow moving green blaster animation, a bit like heavy ion blasters now. It was far more cool. G££ <= Me |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
13
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Posted - 2013.03.04 10:06:00 -
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Being a lover of all things drones I would love for CCP to just completely overhaul drones even going as far as *GASP* balancing them out so there is more insentive to use racial drones rather than just using gallente ones most of the time with minis for PVP now and then.
Also, remember the retribution trailer, how the drones actually launched from the visible drone bay?
THAT would be awesome, they managed to make the missile launchers, they should be able to do the same for drones. Alongside giving more ships visible dronebays ofcource. |
Henry Montclaire
42nd Devils and Dragons Dalek Asylum
50
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Posted - 2013.03.04 20:03:00 -
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Yeah, I have no idea where heavy drones would launch from my Proteus . . .
Since drones have evolved to become a full on primary source of damage for many ships, from some of the new Amarr droneboats, to many of the Gallente mainstays, I'd say its time for them to get some love in the art and sound departments. This is especially important since the last expansion stripped them of what unique sounds and effects they did have. |
Moonasha
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
129
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Posted - 2013.03.04 20:18:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Siigari Kitawa wrote:I asked this when they first released Retribution. CCP have gotten lazy. No joke. Lazy and dishonest. Ahem... from the Patch Notes: Quote:NPCs will now only target drones in their size category. Elite frigates and cruisers NPCs will go for small drones and above. Frigates and Cruisers NPCs will go for medium drones and above. Battleship NPCs will go for large drones.
This is, of course, complete horse pucky, as demonstrated in this screen grab of a entire mob of battleships opening fire on a flight of light drones in synch with each other. Oh, and AI battleships can target lock a small drone in under five seconds, too, which is funny because in a player driven battleship and you'd be lucky if you can do the same under fifteen seconds. Don't even get me going on sentries - it's just launch, fire one shot and recall and if you're lucky they'll only get hit by one salvo from fifteen different rats at once. As usual they promised the moon and delivered a golf ball.
They lie on purpose. Can't you see??! It's a ploy to make all the subscribers who use drones quit so they can enjoy the game more when they play it. It certainly isn't a bug. |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2614
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Posted - 2013.03.04 20:18:00 -
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I want drones to run around and sound like little kids playing shoot em up..... 'pew pew pew'.... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.03.04 20:22:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:... Lazy and dishonest. Ahem... from the Patch Notes: Quote:NPCs will now only target drones in their size category. Elite frigates and cruisers NPCs will go for small drones and above. Frigates and Cruisers NPCs will go for medium drones and above. Battleship NPCs will go for large drones. This is, of course, complete horse pucky, as demonstrated in this screen grab of a entire mob of battleships opening fire on a flight of light drones in synch with each other. Oh, and AI battleships can target lock a small drone in under five seconds, too, which is funny because in a player driven battleship and you'd be lucky if you can do the same under fifteen seconds. Don't even get me going on sentries - it's just launch, fire one shot and recall and if you're lucky they'll only get hit by one salvo from fifteen different rats at once. As usual they promised the moon and delivered a golf ball. I am not sure what CCP exactly meant by those lines. I am beginning to think it refers to the AI, which can switch targets, and that it then will consider switching to drones. Generally do all ships target whatever is in range or that attacks them first.
CCP does a lot of corner cutting. They always seem to have. It is their game, but it is annoying when people only give 95% and expect 100% pay, still. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Holgrak Blacksmith
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.03.04 20:33:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I want drones to run around and sound like little kids playing shoot em up..... 'pew pew pew'....
This, would be awsome. |
Zarcan
The Yellow Eye
37
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Posted - 2013.03.04 20:35:00 -
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As a dominix pilot, I agree, sentry drone animations are pretty boring. It's kind of ridiculous that I can do 600+ dps with these things alone and it's all coming from a near invisible blue beam the size of a pinhead.
CPP recently stated that redoing drone mechanics, and presumably effects as well, to be in line with the new turret and missile effects is very high on their priority list.
I'd throw out the conjecture that maybe they haven't bothered with it because it's up for revamping this summer.
Can anyone from CPP please confirm/deny/explain what the deal is here? There's no denying that drones are, like, the most outdated thing in practically the entire game. Except maybe moon goo.
Personally I would love to see drones actually leave drone bays and such, and have turrets on their own right instead of just having random beams magically project out of their arses regardless of which way they are oriented. |
Stan'din
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.05 00:56:00 -
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Zarcan wrote:As a dominix pilot, I agree, sentry drone animations are pretty boring. It's kind of ridiculous that I can do 600+ dps with these things alone and it's all coming from a near invisible blue beam the size of a pinhead, while my comparatively flimsy 425s doing like 200dps shake my wall with my subwoofer.
CCP recently stated that redoing drone mechanics, and presumably effects as well, to be in line with the new turret and missile effects is very high on their priority list.
I'd throw out the conjecture that maybe they haven't bothered with it because it's up for revamping this summer.
Can anyone from CCP please confirm/deny/explain what the deal is here? There's no denying that drones are, like, the most outdated thing in practically the entire game. Except maybe moon goo. We should have a time frame at least, that would be nice.
Personally I would love to see drones actually leave drone bay animations and such, and have turrets on their own right instead of just having random beams magically project out of their arses regardless of which way they are oriented.
A lot of ships already have drone bays in their ship design, but they're purely aesthetic, whats the deal?...
Not to mention that would be absolutely awesome for carrier pilots to actually see their fleets of fighters/bombers in their hangars.
If i could see a carrier actually launch and land fighters how they theoretically should i swear i would be rocking some serious wood
But yes +1 for any sort of time frame for a drone overhaul because they really need it |
Orlacc
279
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Posted - 2013.03.05 01:07:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Siigari Kitawa wrote:I asked this when they first released Retribution. CCP have gotten lazy. No joke. Lazy and dishonest. Ahem... from the Patch Notes: Quote:NPCs will now only target drones in their size category. Elite frigates and cruisers NPCs will go for small drones and above. Frigates and Cruisers NPCs will go for medium drones and above. Battleship NPCs will go for large drones.
This is, of course, complete horse pucky, as demonstrated in this screen grab of a entire mob of battleships opening fire on a flight of light drones in synch with each other. Oh, and AI battleships can target lock a small drone in under five seconds, too, which is funny because in a player driven battleship and you'd be lucky if you can do the same under fifteen seconds. Don't even get me going on sentries - it's just launch, fire one shot and recall and if you're lucky they'll only get hit by one salvo from fifteen different rats at once. As usual they promised the moon and delivered a golf ball.
And this pertains to drone sounds how?
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4117
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Posted - 2013.03.05 01:15:00 -
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What bothers me more than any of this is the fact that for light, medium, and heavy combat drones there are really only two choices: Gallente for damage, and Minmatar for speed.
Using Caldari drones is fairly pointless (even kinetic weak rats go down quicker when Gallente drones are used), and using Amarr drones makes you look like a complete noob.
Even when you go into sentries which blur the lines a bit more, it's usually a choice between using Bouncers or Gardes, and most people don't bother with Wardens or Curators. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
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