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Razefummel
Unknown Dimension Alpha Volley Union
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:03:00 -
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Why is ist alowed zu use Software for "Ship-steering" ?
It dosn-¦t make sense. Just because the software imitates my mouse movements? That is exacty what an Bot would to too, steering Ships.
In my opinion both Group of Players should be removed from Eve.
All that i don-¦t can use with my own both Hands, i should-¦t use.
Greetings
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:10:00 -
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Razefummel wrote:
It dosn-¦t make sense. Just because the software imitates my mouse movements? That is exacty what an Bot would to too, steering Ships and imitate my behavior.
Imitation requires a player to actively play the game for anything to happen. A bot will play the game without requiring any interaction from a player. As you can see they're nothing alike. |
Jensaro Koraka
Serenity Prime Kraken.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:15:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Imitation requires a player to actively play the game for anything to happen. Actually, it requires one player actively playing and several players not existing. "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken |
Sentamon
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:27:00 -
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Jensaro Koraka wrote: It's not a significant difference at all IMO.
With a bot you can farm and be 100% efficient 24/7 with ZERO game interaction. You don't get more significant then that.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13074
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:31:00 -
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Jensaro Koraka wrote:The other characters beyond the first don't require interaction. The only difference between a bot and input copying is that in one 20/20 characters can be automated and in the other 19/20 can be. GǪaside from the fact that with multiboxing, there is no automation GÇö without a player feeding input into the clients and responding to the environment, those other 19 characters would do absolutely nothing. A character that doesn't do anything without player input isn't particularly automated, now is it?
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Razefummel
Unknown Dimension Alpha Volley Union
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:31:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Jensaro Koraka wrote: It's not a significant difference at all IMO. With a bot you can farm and be 100% efficient 24/7 with ZERO game interaction. You don't get more significant then that.
The Point is:
Razefummel wrote:...
All that i don-¦t can use with my own both Hands, i should-¦t use.
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Tippia wrote:[quote=Jensaro Koraka]... without a player feeding input into the clients and responding to the environment, those other 19 characters would do absolutely nothing.
The 19 Characters wouldn-¦t do anything without the Software either... so what? 21 Tage Trial + Plex-Back Option : http://www.eveger.de/forum/showthread.php?20631-Buddy-Programm-21-Tage-Trial-Angebote&p=871311&viewfull=1#post871311
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:38:00 -
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Jensaro Koraka wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:Imitation requires a player to actively play the game for anything to happen. A bot will play the game without requiring any interaction from a player. As you can see they're nothing alike. The other characters beyond the first don't require interaction. The only difference between a bot and input copying is that in one 20/20 characters can be automated and in the other 19/20 can be. It's not a significant difference at all IMO.
Will the other characters beyond the first do anything without interaction? No they will not, so they do require interaction. None of those accounts plays the game differently from a normal player. With botting no interaction is required, actions can be performed at inhuman levels and at inhuman duration. The fact you don't consider such fundamental differences significant doesn't mean the two activities are anything alike. It just means you're either incapable of noticing or understanding the significance of those differences. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:42:00 -
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Razefummel wrote:The 19 Characters wouldn-¦t do anything without the Software either... so what? GǪso they're not automated.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Razefummel
Unknown Dimension Alpha Volley Union
424
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Razefummel wrote:The 19 Characters wouldn-¦t do anything without the Software either... so what? GǪso they're not automated.
You don-¦t get the Point, do you? 21 Tage Trial + Plex-Back Option : http://www.eveger.de/forum/showthread.php?20631-Buddy-Programm-21-Tage-Trial-Angebote&p=871311&viewfull=1#post871311
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13074
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Posted - 2013.03.05 13:54:00 -
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Razefummel wrote:You don-¦t get the Point, do you? Sure I do. The point is that multiboxing isn't automation GÇö the accounts don't do anything without continual input.
Inactivity due to lack of continuous input and control = no automation. Very simple.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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Quit Whining
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:00:00 -
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Razefummel wrote:Tippia wrote:Razefummel wrote:The 19 Characters wouldn-¦t do anything without the Software either... so what? GǪso they're not automated. You don-¦t get the Point, do you?
It's quite clear my friend that YOU don't get the point. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1255
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:03:00 -
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Thank you OP for starting a new thread about this, as I'm sure everyone else was getting tired of that multi-page thread already covering this topic to death.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Sentamon
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:17:00 -
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Razefummel wrote: The 19 Characters wouldn-¦t do anything without the Software either... so what?
About the only thing you'll be be multi-boxing 19 characters on is Ice. The ISK gain for this is so horribly bad that ff this is something you do, consider going to the corner and crying in shame. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1157
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:29:00 -
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Is this the new FOTM whine? I think this is like the 4th thread I seen since yesterday. |
Quit Whining
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:32:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Is this the new FOTM whine? I think this is like the 4th thread I seen since yesterday.
I believe it is, nerf hisec/lowsec/nullsec threads are so pass+¬... |
Schmata Bastanold
Keep It Burning Stupid
661
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:48:00 -
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It is nice to see a thread about something else than AFK cloaky whine. So refreshing... I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Razefummel
Unknown Dimension Alpha Volley Union
425
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:21:00 -
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Ok, we have 2 Differences between Bots and Multiboxing Software:
1. They are not 24/7 online. 2. An Player has to play ONE Character.
Seems its such an huge difference between someone wich has 20 Miners running via Bot and plays 1 Character as he wishes to. Ok, he uses another Software, but he USES Software to get an advantige to Players wich don-¦t do. I can-¦t beive that this is the "New" Eden wich CCP has dreamed of... Third Party Software wich is able to steering Characters, dosn-¦t matter how, should be banned out of Game.
Funny that all Players in EVE are protesting against AURUM-Ammunition/-Ships/-What ever, Botting an so on, but using Software for Character-Steering is stil legit.
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Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
150
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:50:00 -
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Seriously, another thread on this?
If duplication = botting as some idiots believe then I call for the banning of people creating duplicate threads. |
Razefummel
Unknown Dimension Alpha Volley Union
426
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:55:00 -
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Klymer wrote:Seriously, another thread on this?
If duplication = botting as some idiots believe then I call for the banning of people creating duplicate threads.
Buhu... cry me a River. Same Argument. 21 Tage Trial + Plex-Back Option : http://www.eveger.de/forum/showthread.php?20631-Buddy-Programm-21-Tage-Trial-Angebote&p=871311&viewfull=1#post871311
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Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
150
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:15:00 -
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My argument is simply that we don't need multiple threads on the same topics over and over again.
But then this is GD....
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Goldnut Sachs
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:17:00 -
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stop trolling the germans. |
Barzai Mekhar
EON Experiments Mad Citizens
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 16:17:00 -
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Razefummel wrote: My Argument is that softwarebased Character steering with an third Party Software should be generel bannable for a good Reason.
Unfortunately you fail to provide a "good reason" - or really any reason beyond "I don't like it". |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2829
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:34:00 -
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Goldnut Sachs wrote:never stop trolling the germans. Fixed that for you. ^_^ |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3483
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:36:00 -
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Barzai Mekhar wrote:Razefummel wrote: My Argument is that softwarebased Character steering with an third Party Software should be generel bannable for a good Reason.
Unfortunately you fail to provide a "good reason" - or really any reason beyond "I don't like it". No, that is the reason. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1162
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:37:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Barzai Mekhar wrote:Razefummel wrote: My Argument is that softwarebased Character steering with an third Party Software should be generel bannable for a good Reason.
Unfortunately you fail to provide a "good reason" - or really any reason beyond "I don't like it". No, that is the reason.
Its a reason yes, but not necessarily a good one. |
Nico elScorpio
Chicks on Warpspeed
11
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Posted - 2013.03.05 17:55:00 -
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The quite obvious reason for this whine about EyesB0xx0r and others is ordinary jealousy, some thing widespread in german national psychology. In this world it's not allowed being sly and gain double benefit by only doing half of the work (while the other half is simply duplicated). So its some kind of weird self-righteous morality going on plus the feeling that someone, who is using multiboxing sofware, in the end of the day, has more profited more than myself. Consequently, the anger about this "betrayal" will be communicated. When the other person really "works harder" for his advantage the anger and envy, that is nonetheless present, remains hidden behind the forehead. Further examples? German yellow press, greek, italy... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3483
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:06:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Barzai Mekhar wrote:Razefummel wrote: My Argument is that softwarebased Character steering with an third Party Software should be generel bannable for a good Reason.
Unfortunately you fail to provide a "good reason" - or really any reason beyond "I don't like it". No, that is the reason. Its a reason yes, but not necessarily a good one. Indeed, it's a stupid reason.
This is General Discussion. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1162
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:08:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Barzai Mekhar wrote:Razefummel wrote: My Argument is that softwarebased Character steering with an third Party Software should be generel bannable for a good Reason.
Unfortunately you fail to provide a "good reason" - or really any reason beyond "I don't like it". No, that is the reason. Its a reason yes, but not necessarily a good one. Indeed, it's a stupid reason. This is General Discussion.
I concur |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:29:00 -
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Razefummel wrote:Klymer wrote:Seriously, another thread on this?
If duplication = botting as some idiots believe then I call for the banning of people creating duplicate threads. "Buhu... cry me a River." is that your Argument? Ok, lets get serious. My Argument is that softwarebased Character steering with an third Party Software should be generel bannable for a good Reason. My Argument didn-¦t include the "How does the Software work?" because it dosn-¦t matter. This has already been ruled on and deemed OK. If you don't like it, log in and make them DIAF or you DIAF trying. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
829
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:56:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Razefummel wrote:
It dosn-¦t make sense. Just because the software imitates my mouse movements? That is exacty what an Bot would to too, steering Ships and imitate my behavior.
Imitation requires a player to actively play the game for anything to happen. A bot will play the game without requiring any interaction from a player. As you can see they're nothing alike. what about a bot taht shuts itself down if I don't press Q every 20 seconds? TEST alt - don't trust. |
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