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Kaivar Lancer
Sinq Laison Chamber of Industry
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Posted - 2013.03.06 08:31:00 -
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As per title. What are your daily profits from trading?
When I traded last year, I generally made 100-150m per day, but it generally took an hour to update my orders, organise hauling etc. Apparently Greedy Goblin only updates his orders once or twice a day.
What say ye? Are you pond scum in the world of traders? Or do you rub shoulders with the titans of commerce and industry? |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
154
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Posted - 2013.03.06 08:43:00 -
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Relevant iCandy - Bonds. - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next **** could spell disaster! iCandy Custom Corp Creation & Corp boosting service |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
150
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Posted - 2013.03.06 09:32:00 -
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I don't really do that kind of "update orders" trading as I've never found it to be worth the time. Although that probably has more to do with my Dyscalculia making it harder for me than it has to do with the actual merits of traditional trading. Instead, I tend to focus on service provision and on market activities that do not involve being the lowest priced instance on the market.
Given the above, I expect my answer will not ideally suit your question, but here it is anyway and you can make of it what you will...
In January, which is the most recent complete month for which I have full numbers, my profit breakdown was:
Sale Of T1/T2 Goods - 16.35b Sale Of Blueprints - 4.18b Scamming Via The Market - 4.64b Loan Income - 2.22b
Total: 27.39b or 884m per day.
Those totals include only realised profits, no appeciation of unsold stock is included. So tieraicde, mineral, moon goo, PI, T1/T2 BPO and character investments that have not closed are not accounted for.
I have also excluded the profits of piracy, moon mining and FW farming because they aren't trading (athough the products are sold via the market) and they would unfairly mess with the numbers. I have included loan income because I view the loan marketplace as part of the EVE market, your opinion may vary. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
150
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Posted - 2013.03.06 09:40:00 -
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...and yes, obviously answers to this question have to be taken with a pinch of salt.
But yet I've often found them informative and I have more than once gained inspiration for a major money making scheme from a thread like this (sup RAW23 o7). |
Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.06 10:31:00 -
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..I believe Gevlon makes 1b a day, or more. I've been reading his blog for quite a few years. I haven't found him to be a liar.
A completely miserable person? Yes. Liar? No. |
enterprisePSI
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Posted - 2013.03.06 10:38:00 -
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Even so, who cares? The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬
I made tweet, Y U NO FOLLOW!!! |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
293
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Posted - 2013.03.06 11:36:00 -
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Used to make about 800mil a day till I learned the Harlem shake. Now I have more fun partying and rocking my hot body. Huehuehuehuehue. |
Elizabeth Norn
Tax Evasion Haven
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Posted - 2013.03.06 11:56:00 -
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Isn't this the same guy that spends hours every day suiciding miners? It takes a lot of effort to get trolled for 7 pages, and many more to come.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1069
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:13:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Isn't this the same guy that spends hours every day suiciding miners? Yea he is now elite pewpew you know, beacause of that
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Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
299
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:13:00 -
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-200m ISK. Ripard Teg on comparing gankers to *****/slave-owners/rapists: "If that's what it takes to get people to read a topic...It's not about traffic to my site...you're putting words in my mouth." 23:57 into the interview. |
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Diesel Phumes
State Protectorate Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:18:00 -
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We're not all locust players ya know. But if it's what he enjoys then hats off to him. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
878
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:24:00 -
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Making 1 B a day ain't hard , i easily make that updating once a day atm and having bpo's do their passive thingy.It's mostly if you have the isk to make 1 B a day not if it's 'hard' or takes much time.
Funny you mention raw though Bad Bobby because he was one of the few guys who i knew had X amount yet made Y ... to me his daily profits where 'WHAT THE F. that's some badass isking you are doing son'.His NAV was driven by NASA , skyrocketing .
Chatted a lot with him about rl mostly , kids/wife/work/lack of sex but i'm still a bit sad i never asked him how he did it .I miss that guy.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:33:00 -
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He's a hack washout World of Warcraft blogger...who really care Lola
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3905
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:49:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Chatted a lot with him about rl mostly , kids/wife/work/lack of sex but i'm still a bit sad i never asked him how he did it .I miss that guy.
I know how he did it since he submitted me his and his friend's plans for the audits. They were amazingly brilliant.
The kind of brilliant you see in the movies, where everybody trip over and curse at that plain stone lying in the middle of the road since years, yet he would lift up that stone and find the gold mine hidden beneath it. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
150
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:58:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Making 1 B a day ain't hard , i easily make that updating once a day atm and having bpo's do their passive thingy.It's mostly if you have the isk to make 1 B a day not if it's 'hard' or takes much time. I couldn't agree more.
Also, if it was hard I wouldn't be doing it. All of the isk making I do is very much easy, low-effort, semi-passive stuff. I don't log on to make isk, I log on to shoot things.
flakeys wrote:Funny you mention raw though Bad Bobby because he was one of the few guys who i knew had X amount yet made Y ... to me his daily profits where 'WHAT THE F. that's some badass isking you are doing son'.His NAV was driven by NASA , skyrocketing . Chatted a lot with him about rl mostly , kids/wife/work/lack of sex but i'm still a bit sad i never asked him how he did it .I miss that guy. RAW23 was a good guy and I miss him too. The 100b a month manufacturing process that he worked out was the inspiration for the one I currently run as a publicly funded operation. I'm not as smart as him though and I'm running it solo whereas he had a business partner, so I've not tried to reach his full output. The nice thing about his approach is that you do not actually have to put much isk in to the process in order to have it pouring out.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
878
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Posted - 2013.03.06 14:36:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:flakeys wrote:Making 1 B a day ain't hard , i easily make that updating once a day atm and having bpo's do their passive thingy.It's mostly if you have the isk to make 1 B a day not if it's 'hard' or takes much time. I couldn't agree more. Also, if it was hard I wouldn't be doing it. All of the isk making I do is very much easy, low-effort, semi-passive stuff. I don't log on to make isk, I log on to shoot things. flakeys wrote:Funny you mention raw though Bad Bobby because he was one of the few guys who i knew had X amount yet made Y ... to me his daily profits where 'WHAT THE F. that's some badass isking you are doing son'.His NAV was driven by NASA , skyrocketing . Chatted a lot with him about rl mostly , kids/wife/work/lack of sex but i'm still a bit sad i never asked him how he did it .I miss that guy. RAW23 was a good guy and I miss him too. The 100b a month manufacturing process that he worked out was the inspiration for the one I currently run as a publicly funded operation. I'm not as smart as him though and I'm running it solo whereas he had a business partner, so I've not tried to reach his full output. The nice thing about his approach is that you do not actually have to put much isk in to the process in order to have it pouring out.
Aye if i recall right he had 2 partners at a certain point.He asked me to join the party but i declined as i did not feel like doing any trading.As said before i like to do stuff for at most half a year then do something completely else and i was still sufffering from my ''I am never gonna do trade again''-burnout from a year before.No matter how much profit it makes or what time is involved , it's the only way to keep the game interesting for me .
It's not so much that i want/wanted to make so much isk a day , i do fine with how i handle my stuff , it is/was more that i at the time thought competition was so big on every trade/build aspect in the game that there was no chance to make those profits.Raw told me how much they made a day and it made it REALLY tempting but if you don't feel like doing anything in a certain aspect of the game i found it better to not do it at all.I could have asked him then what they exactly did but i felt it was in the area of ''no need to know as i rejected the offer to participate''.
Your btw free to throw me a mail bobby on how or what he did.I know you say you still do it in a smaller manner but i can ensure that i have no plans on doing it myself but am really curious what it was that could give him such nice profits.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
357
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:37:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:I don't really do that kind of "update orders" trading as I've never found it to be worth the time. Although that probably has more to do with my Dyscalculia making it harder for me than it has to do with the actual merits of traditional trading. Instead, I tend to focus on service provision and on market activities that do not involve being the lowest priced instance on the market.
Given the above, I expect my answer will not ideally suit your question, but here it is anyway and you can make of it what you will...
In January, which is the most recent complete month for which I have full numbers, my profit breakdown was:
Sale Of T1/T2 Goods - 16.35b Sale Of Blueprints - 4.18b Scamming Via The Market - 4.64b Loan Income - 2.22b
Total: 27.39b or 884m per day.
Those totals include only realised profits, no appeciation of unsold stock is included. So tieraicde, mineral, moon goo, PI, T1/T2 BPO and character investments that have not closed are not accounted for.
I have also excluded the profits of piracy, moon mining and FW farming because they aren't trading (athough the products are sold via the market) and they would unfairly mess with the numbers. I have included loan income because I view the loan marketplace as part of the EVE market, your opinion may vary.
your forgot to mention that you make all that in less than 1 hour worth of daily play time.
shar'ra phone home |
Kaivar Lancer
Sinq Laison Chamber of Industry
251
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:48:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Bad Bobby wrote:I don't really do that kind of "update orders" trading as I've never found it to be worth the time. Although that probably has more to do with my Dyscalculia making it harder for me than it has to do with the actual merits of traditional trading. Instead, I tend to focus on service provision and on market activities that do not involve being the lowest priced instance on the market.
Given the above, I expect my answer will not ideally suit your question, but here it is anyway and you can make of it what you will...
In January, which is the most recent complete month for which I have full numbers, my profit breakdown was:
Sale Of T1/T2 Goods - 16.35b Sale Of Blueprints - 4.18b Scamming Via The Market - 4.64b Loan Income - 2.22b
Total: 27.39b or 884m per day.
Those totals include only realised profits, no appeciation of unsold stock is included. So tieraicde, mineral, moon goo, PI, T1/T2 BPO and character investments that have not closed are not accounted for.
I have also excluded the profits of piracy, moon mining and FW farming because they aren't trading (athough the products are sold via the market) and they would unfairly mess with the numbers. I have included loan income because I view the loan marketplace as part of the EVE market, your opinion may vary. your forgot to mention that you make all that in less than 1 hour worth of daily play time.
So he makes at least 884m per hour. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
150
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:51:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:your forgot to mention that you make all that in less than 1 hour worth of daily play time. What part of my post makes you think I would need to spend that much time on it? Just like flakeys said, it's not hard making 1b a day when you have a lot of isk to throw at it. |
Bob Killan
Talon Strike Force LTD Sleepless Knights Alliance
18
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:59:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:your forgot to mention that you make all that in less than 1 hour worth of daily play time. What part of my post makes you think I would need to spend that much time on it? Just like flakeys said, it's not hard making 1b a day when you have a lot of isk to throw at it.
Thats the truth, infact having large stock piles of usefull materials can result in massive profits pretty passively.
Ie hmm megacyte is expensive today, Sell some stock. hmm megacye it cheap today increase stock piles.
making isk takes a few seconds a day to check which prices are favourable to trade in and settign an order or 2 |
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
150
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Posted - 2013.03.06 16:24:00 -
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You probably want to look to RAW23, Rykker and Varo as the people that can make a lot of isk with not so much isk. And they had their operations audited, so they can back their claims.
People like me, Flakeys and Grendel can make a lot of isk with a lot of isk. It would be an embaressment if we couldn't achieve what we do.
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shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
357
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Posted - 2013.03.06 16:24:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:your forgot to mention that you make all that in less than 1 hour worth of daily play time. What part of my post makes you think I would need to spend that much time on it? Just like flakeys said, it's not hard making 1b a day when you have a lot of isk to throw at it.
well I said "less than 1 hour", because isk per hour seems to be the common unit to compare income with. so`s all good.
shar'ra phone home |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
539
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Posted - 2013.03.06 16:28:00 -
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I could make far more than a billion isk a day if I were willing to put the effort into managing it more actively. That's his only secret, really. He has a lot of money and puts in the active effort to make more. Mynnna for CSM8 |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
150
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Posted - 2013.03.06 16:32:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:isk per hour seems to be the common unit to compare income with. so`s all good. While isk per hour (or even isk per tick) may be popular to mission runners, miners and ratters it's more of a measurement of labour than a measurement of income. I find it disturbing that so many people are willing to exchange their time for a small amount of space money. I log on to have fun, not to pay the monkey. |
Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
174
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Posted - 2013.03.06 16:43:00 -
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Also Relevant |
shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
357
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Posted - 2013.03.06 17:06:00 -
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I make x-gazillions of isk per day, the real secret is that there is no secret, could also make a lot more if I`d play more than 30 min a day I dont care about isk at all, I just like to talk about my wealth.
classic! shar'ra phone home |
Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
174
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Posted - 2013.03.06 17:14:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:I make x-gazillions of isk per day, the real secret is that there is no secret, could also make a lot more if I`d play more than 30 min a day I dont care about isk at all, I just like to talk about my wealth.
classic!
i make five hundred two million ten thousands a day. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
150
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Posted - 2013.03.06 18:47:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:I just like to talk about my wealth Yes, rich men can often be seen gathering to talk about their wealth while shooting helpless animals. It's a tradition in my country.
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Saveritrader
Sav Trading Invictus Void
24
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Posted - 2013.03.06 19:14:00 -
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To be honest, to make 1b a day becomes an option as soon as you have about 5b isk. You can spend that on a faction fitted tengu and start running C4 sites and make 200m / hour, or start running around stuff in freighters, or trade actively with literally updating your orders every 10-15 minutes...
I made the most ISK when I actually just started trading, a few months back, just by updating my 10-20 high profit orders every 10-15 minutes for 10-12 hours on end. It's exhausting work, but possible. Nowadays I just run around with investors isk and update my orders every so often while doing other stuff like industry.
Also, like everyone else has basically mentioned already, it's about the amount of time you put into it paired with the amount of ISK you throw at it, and where you throw it at. |
Proton Power
Evolution The Retirement Club
3
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Posted - 2013.03.07 15:51:00 -
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Made contracts for RF to haul tons of minerals, installed 10 jobs for 30 days on retrievers. Made contracts for RF to haul tons of retreivers to jita. Sold Retrievers for about 30bil isk profit (Should have waited longer :( ) Total Time -1-2hrs.
Made contracts for RF to haul tons of minerals, installed 10 jobs for 30 days on procurers. Made contracts for RF to haul tons of procurers to jita. Porcurers still on sell orders in Jita, update them by .01 isk every 90 days. Profit about 200bil isk once sold. Total Time 2-3hrs.
Think once I get some liquid isk from those various things will get into spectulation a bit more. |
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