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StoneCold
House of Sparrows
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Posted - 2013.03.13 12:30:00 -
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There is a HUGE difference in a multiboxer and someone who plays more accounts at once - imho. Just saying because i think OP is mixing it up. Disclaimer: All depicted violent acts relate only (and exclusively) on ingame events. I support Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
Claire Raynor
NovaGear Limitless Inc.
93
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Posted - 2013.03.13 15:36:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:i don't see the problem in your particular case. What would you do if he would have a fleet of distinct people instead of 5 alts? Its the same thing basically. You lost against a small fleet, thats all. Guess what would happen if you would have 5 people in fleet and fight a 5 client multiboxer.
i have one account, one char and do solo pvp most of the time. No OGB, nothing. I don't do it for the stats, i do it for the challenge. Could i win more fights with an OGB? of course. But why should i use it?
Sure OGB is at the current state broken, but not because the booster is an alt in 100% of all cases, its because its risk free. A small pos tower protecting your booster is cheaper as the average T3 subsystem of your booster alt.
Multiboxing pve is a different topic since it has other issues. For example it scales linear. You can double your fleet and point them to the ice asteroid and you have double throughput. Thats not cool. Ice does not deplete. The only limit for ice miners is the technical limit how many clients he can run. Again, thats not cool at all.
I multibox specifically for mining, PI and missions. I'm alarmed that you as a well liked poster think someone should be peanalized beause the same billing address / credit card / email address is behind multiple accounts. How else would the system know that my fleet was not four seperate people - and if, (for example), the weapons of my ships did only 1/4 or my mining lasers did only 1/4 because I had four characters under my control - then can I just pay 1/4 for all my accounts? The ony limit for me is not technical, (yet), for me it is simply how much I want to pay each month on what is obstensibly something I do in my free time.
Why would you suggest that multiboxing PvE is a different topic? I don't see how it damages the game or would be something CCP would be moved to stop. Of course I can locust missions, mine 4 times as much, have four times as many PI planets. How is that different to a four seperate players pooling their resources - other than they probably wouldn't? But four Mackinaws still cost the same as four mackinaws - so the isk cost is still the same - the cost scales Linear too. But the resources taken from the world are the same - and converted into Isk - to make the same purchasing power - as any 4 seperate people playing. This main account, Claire, can replace the Freighter I lost the other day in 1/4 of the time someone else might take - but then I / We are 4 - but I can't do exploration on more than one account at a time - and I can't fight PvP on more than two accounts at a time, (and one HAS to be logistics or EWar - and I don't really PvP).
If Claire was PvP focused - and the other three were PvE focused to pay for Claire. Even then - I still do not see how this damages the game - my accounts are not Bots. |
Claire Raynor
NovaGear Limitless Inc.
93
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Posted - 2013.03.13 15:42:00 -
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StoneCold wrote:There is a HUGE difference in a multiboxer and someone who plays more accounts at once - imho. Just saying because i think OP is mixing it up.
Actually - what's the difference in terminology being used here. What is Multiboxing - and what is playing more than one account at a time?
Is multi boxing where you send the same instructions to multiple screens? Or sommat? Becasue I don't do that. For clarification - I use two rigs with four screens betwen them and Synergi to let the mouse and keyboard work between them. Don't know what that's called.
But I really don't see the issue in doing it. |
Claire Raynor
NovaGear Limitless Inc.
93
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Posted - 2013.03.13 15:50:00 -
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Alaric Faelen wrote:I'm on your side about trollers being , but I simply can't imagine any faceless video game player being able to in any way affect me so. Much less an obvious idiot.
Now multi-boxing is a better topic. It IS pay to win, get over your justifications. Anything that is done specifically to circumvent the game's mechanics is a cheat. It's that simple.
Using a 'disposable person' to scout a gate ahead of your shiny ship is, by definition, NOT PLAYING EVE. Don't be a loser in the basement, make some friends, have them scout. PLAY the game rather than seek ways to simply brush off the game mechanics. Or...dread...take a risk and maybe get shot. Oh no, not with internet spaceships!
Which begs the question- if the game's intent (that of letting you create a 'life' in New Eden) holds no interest for you, and the games mechanics of risk/danger are optional, best paid to ignore, why play at all? Is there so much self-esteem to be gained from 'winning' a video game that the GAME ITSELF is just there to be exploited? And how does one get any satisfaction in a victory accomplished without any actual risk?
Call it hokey, but MMO players by and large utterly forget the INTENT of the game they're playing. It's just numbers, KMs, a fancy calculator. For all the odd balances and outdated code of Eve, by far the worst unbalancing metric is the players themselves being wholly uninterested in Eve as a game. No amount of balancing by devs will matter if all people care about is finding some way to work around any given restriction by use of tactics that only work because it's a game.
Now, obviously CCP doesn't care. Subscriptions are why they make the game. It all boils down to the players. And obviously players care more about claiming victory than how they got there.
It's too idealistic to hope people will play a game as it's intended. Not in the RP sense, but in the sense that the rules aren't just there to be taken advantage of by who ever feels like paying more than everyone else.
In the end I just play the game as it's intended. If it costs me isk, ships, or KMs, then whatever- it's a game and 'winning' at it isn't so important to me that I run spreadsheets, multi-box, care about isk/hour or anything NOT FUN. Sadly for too many people, they don't like Eve enough to have fun even if they're not always winning.
This whole thread has me a bit weirded out. What's the difference between me using another of my accounts to scout out a gate - or getting someone else to do it? And if it's because I want to break a game mechanic - then what's the scout for in the first place? And if it's because I don't like people then why did I join an Alliance? |
RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
89
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Posted - 2013.03.14 07:28:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Everyone should remember that off grid boosting has been there more than 5 years already, so if you do not have booster alt it is only our own fault. You have had plenty of time to train one and grind isk to pay it.
Now if you are new player who just joined circus and do not have one and can not buy one, then join some corporation who can provide ogb support at least on fleet ops.
EVE is game where long play time and skilled chars gives some advantage but not something that makes game impossible for new players.
OGB is not something you have to buy with $ you can use isk to fund it and all modules and ships are in game items not NEX stuff.
If someone is willing to pay more than one account ofc he is allowed to use those, usually efficiency goes down with every alt and finally adding more alts do not help much.
OGB may be too powerfull on some cases and CCP should balance values bit down but not to remove it totally.
The main issue though is CCP introduced OGB as a stop-gap solution to how Fleet Boosts were provided and the survivability of Tech 3 Warfare Link ships ... I would hardly call 5 years a STOP-GAP measure, for an issue that should never have been a problem in the damn first place.
What I think is even worse is frankly the bonus' provided by Skills, Implants and Warfare Links. It frankly makes players with very high SP damn near untouchable ... especially when fighting new players, I mean for a new player it is already going to be a tough fight against a high-skills player as the disparency between being able to "fly" something and "maxed out" is often massively different in performance terms.
I mean the difference between a new player (say 1-2 weeks old) flying a Hookbill, and myself with my Missile Implants and Skirmish Links in the same basic fit; they might do 80dps, 5k eHP tank being able to scram out to like 11k ... where-as I will be pushing 200dps, 12k eHP and scram out to 15k.
I'm not saying as long-term players we shouldn't be rewarded for the time we put in to the game - but the difference between being new and old in terms of ship performance is just simply ridiculously large. Especially when you're playing with all of these extras.
Frankly I don't see any of this as a "Pay 2 Win" situation, have no issues with that. The day Pirate / Faction gear becomes AUR only like it is in DUST 514, then yes I will complain about that being the case in the game ... frankly I will likely just give up EVE at that point as well, because we pay a subscription so that bullshit doesn't happen. Free-to-Play games are frankly a cancer on the games industry right now that should be cut out with a knife and left to die.
No my entire issue here is just the sheer difference between, Skills, Implants and Boosts. It is far to great and especially in the case of OGB there is basically no risk involved - sure if you use a normal Command Battlecruiser it can be probed down, but T3 with ECCM you might as well give up because even as a highly skilled prober - they are an absolute ***** scan down ... in-fact damn near impossible. I know CCP changed it so they weren't completely unprobable but frankly they might as well be.
Still don't understand why Sensor Strength has anything to do with the ability for someone to probe you down. |
Major Killz
158
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Posted - 2013.03.14 15:11:00 -
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I have been raiding and skirmishing since 2008. Pilots like myself have been doing as well as we did before the introduction of tech 3 cruisers. So, removing modules that effect ships off grid will not end my gameplay. Even then. Pilots were using alternative characters in combat and will continue to do so.
Example: covert op, logistics, recons and command ships.
As far as I'm aware. CCP has not referenced any sizable increase in users based on the aforementioned mechanics. So, removing mechnics that effect ships off grid will not hurt our user base significantly.
Remember. Players use alternative characters because of convenience.
Personally though. I believe using alternative characters in combat is lame. Which would mean I'm lame because I do lame from time to time. |
Othran
Route One
457
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:48:00 -
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I just suck at dual-boxing, simple as that.
Dual-boxing on a long roam in a small gang is a bloody nightmare, especially if one ship warps significantly faster than the other - or you're probing with one. When I'm forced into dual-boxing I can pretty much guarantee that one character is going to end up playing catchup with the rest of the gang.
Multi-boxing for cyno chaining is about the only time I ever run multiple concurrent accounts - and that's rare as I'm very lazy |
Kodama Ikari
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
29
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Posted - 2013.03.14 18:14:00 -
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Khalid DeCroix wrote:While the use of certain programs to manage multiple accounts is certainly borderline cheating imo.
You may think so, but there is a list of such programs that CCP has specifically approved. When you set up your interface/overview identically on multiple accounts, you can then replicate actions, such as having your 5 man drake fleet jump at the same time or activate mwds at the same time. This is what the OP is upset about, in addition to being upset about other less controversial forms of meta-gaming. Some first-hand PI tips |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
356
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Posted - 2013.03.14 18:23:00 -
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RavenTesio wrote: Still don't understand why Sensor Strength has anything to do with the ability for someone to probe you down.
Quite so. If anything one would expect it to be the opposite. I think its fine to have a way to make yourself harder to probe down, its just a bit odd.
On your other points -half dps/ehp and scram range is a TINY differential compared to most MMO pvp scenarios. I don't think a 1-2 week old character should realistically have a chance of beating a veteran with all that extra money invested. Nature of the game and all that. -I agree with you on the risk/reward bit. Atleast you know if you're fighting someone with pimped modules or implants, they're risking a lot if they do get killed. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
356
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Posted - 2013.03.14 18:25:00 -
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Claire Raynor wrote:
This whole thread has me a bit weirded out. What's the difference between me using another of my accounts to scout out a gate - or getting someone else to do it? And if it's because I want to break a game mechanic - then what's the scout for in the first place? And if it's because I don't like people then why did I join an Alliance?
Scouting alts are just practical because having another player doing it outside of a fleet scenario would be incredibly boring. Well, most of the time.
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Lenier Chenal
Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety
22
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Posted - 2013.03.14 19:54:00 -
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If multiboxing is pay to win, why don't you just go play by yourself then? |
RoCkEt X
Hostile. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
9
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Posted - 2013.03.14 20:12:00 -
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As you might expect, i've been monitoring this thread for some time, heres my perspective on various issues raised here?
Botting? -Nope, when i use ISboxer i control them myself, there is no automation. -ISboxer has the POTENTIAL to be used as a botting program, as do many other programs, and indeed hardware (logitech keyboards etc) CCP's updated statement acknowledges this. I.E. if you use ISboxer to bot, using automated keystrokes, you are breaking the EULA. In other words - be careful how you use it. -My multiboxing clients are only used for pvp, which you couldnt ever make a bot for - so this isnt a problem for me.
Pay to win? -Aside from the $20 annual fee, i have never paid any extra RL currency to fund my multiboxing accounts -My 10x multibox accounts are run using plexes, just like most of you. -ISboxer is just as accessible to you as it is to me
Cheating? -What is the difference between someone jumping you with 10 ships, or me and 9 friends jumping you?... nothing, except you're pissed that a single pilot can bring 10 ships and nuke your 5 man gang. -Because someone has managed to make enough isk to run multibox accounts, this is somehow unfair on other people? i think not.
Unfair advantage (in relation to supercap kills recently)? -Recently, it's been very public that i've utilised ISboxer to engage supercapitals using neutraliser fit tempests, saying that without them, the kill would have not been possible - this is incorrect, 3 of us have been 'traditionally' (i.e. no ISboxer) killing supercapitals using 4-5 accounts each in the past. -The ragnarok that died - the pests made no difference, as he logged off without any hardeners turned on. -Ergo, the kills still easily possible, it just takes a few minutes longer. -The increase in kills on my part is because of the recent change in Aggro/Logoff mechanics - NOT ISboxer, even we, whom have benefited massively from these changes, agree that they are horribly broken.
In conclusion: -Your ability to use ISboxer effectively in eve depends on how much ISK you have, NOT RL CASH. -ISboxer itself does not violate the EULA, your anger at individuals like me is misplaced. Botters are botters, ISboxer or not, go be mad at them.
I welcome your opinions and questions, i'll keep an eye here - if not, hit me up ingame.
-Rock.
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Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
143
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Posted - 2013.03.14 22:07:00 -
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Alaric Faelen wrote: It's too idealistic to hope people will play a game as it's intended.
The thing is, anyone you ask will have their own definition of how one should play EVE.
Which, ironically, is a most basic tenant for a sandbox game such as EVE.
All too often, posters here get so caught up in some highly-abstracted elegatarian notion that they fail to ground themselves in the one basic fact about EVE - that it's supposed to be open-ended gameplay. Like I said, what "open-ended" means can and will differ one from one player to the next, but I assure you its not limited to just "one day I'll mine then the next day I'll PVP."
As for multiboxing, claiming that people having multiple accounts and interacting with them through whatever means is some form of cheating... this is laughable. Many people have their various means to pay for additional accounts, either because they're well-off in real life and can pay real money to maintain their subscriptions, or they are industrious enough in-game and can instead maintain their subs with PLEX (and PLEX, as we all know, comes from others who are well-off enough in real life to buy those and put them on the EVE market.)
So we have two avenues - those who can pay will RL monies, and those who have time to play EVE to earn ISK to buy PLEX from those who have RL money.Time vs. money... the age-old tradeoff not just in this game but elsewhere throughout everyone's life. It's no-one's place to pass judgement on which avenue another takes. If you cannot afford multiple accounts through either means because you're short on both time and money, then that's just something you'll have to settle with your own self. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
388
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Posted - 2013.03.15 00:08:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Claire Raynor wrote:
This whole thread has me a bit weirded out. What's the difference between me using another of my accounts to scout out a gate - or getting someone else to do it? And if it's because I want to break a game mechanic - then what's the scout for in the first place? And if it's because I don't like people then why did I join an Alliance?
Scouting alts are just practical because having another player doing it outside of a fleet scenario would be incredibly boring. Well, most of the time.
i disagree, scouting is fun, i do lot of scouting and intel gathering. Shooting is just one part of EVE but there is not shooting without finding targets. |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
53
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Posted - 2013.03.15 00:35:00 -
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RoCkEt X wrote:
I welcome your opinions and questions, i'll keep an eye here - if not, hit me up ingame.
-Rock.
Go for it -- whatever floats your boat, man. I'd take any one QCAT over your setup, but that's just how I roll. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2653
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Posted - 2013.03.15 05:32:00 -
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Takseen wrote:I don't know why people are so reluctant to admit Eve is pay to win. You can boost literally every aspect of your stats using real money.
You can do it with ISK aswell, meaning anyone can gain that same advantage using in game means. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative.
436
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Posted - 2013.03.16 09:16:00 -
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EVE is 100% pay2win.
in fact, it only costs 14.95 a month and i can compete with players who are 8 years older than me.
if i didnt pay that 14.95, i dont think i could compete near as well, heck, i wouldnt even be able to beat that pesky login screen. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
153
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:07:00 -
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i dont get all the whining like ccp will stop people having multiple accounts. ccp activly encourage the use of alts hence there power of 2 drives every year GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Claire Raynor
NovaGear Limitless Inc.
94
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Posted - 2013.03.17 11:09:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:EVE is 100% pay2win.
in fact, it only costs 14.95 a month and i can compete with players who are 8 years older than me.
if i didnt pay that 14.95, i dont think i could compete near as well, heck, i wouldnt even be able to beat that pesky login screen.
I've been struggling with that screen for years now!
And - you need IRL cash to beat/buy the final boss. Microsoft Excel. |
Claire Raynor
NovaGear Limitless Inc.
94
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Posted - 2013.03.17 11:11:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Takseen wrote:Claire Raynor wrote:
This whole thread has me a bit weirded out. What's the difference between me using another of my accounts to scout out a gate - or getting someone else to do it? And if it's because I want to break a game mechanic - then what's the scout for in the first place? And if it's because I don't like people then why did I join an Alliance?
Scouting alts are just practical because having another player doing it outside of a fleet scenario would be incredibly boring. Well, most of the time. i disagree, scouting is fun, i do lot of scouting and intel gathering. Shooting is just one part of EVE but there is not shooting without finding targets.
Scouting is ace fun. I've seen fights on Lo-Sec entry gates that I could never hope to have been involved in myself, TBH - Exploration feels a lot like scouting. I love it. Sneaking is fun. |
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BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
73
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Posted - 2013.03.19 03:14:00 -
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Takseen wrote:ALUCARD 1208 wrote:how is ogb a pay to win feature. pay to win is wen someone buys something from a game store like golden ammo or a harder ship which can be repeated everytime youve used it up or died. you cant just buy boosters from ccp someone trained that toon and spent alot of time doing so yes they can be bought from bazarr but so can any toon, it cant be made a rule no selling boosting toons. As for the stopping ogb they said they would look into it but the code for them just to have an area of effect or being system wide is a little too complicated for them atm.... multiboxing is fine if someone can run more than one account good luck to them tbh, again this is something that isnt just bought but trained toons for and only certain people can do it.... so no pay to win here either
I don't know why people are so reluctant to admit Eve is pay to win. You can boost literally every aspect of your stats using real money. What generally makes it feel acceptable is that there's more risk attached to wearing a Snake set or flying a pirate frigate or using faction modules or having a 50mSP clone. Ogbs do seem to break that rule a bit if they're as hard to scan down as some have indicated.
If you want to share an opinion you know is based on incorrect assessments kindly do so with your main.
EVE is not p2w. For it to be that you will need to be able to pay IRL cash for something you can get for only IRL cash, and that alters your performance. This is not the case. Aurum only pays for cosmetic assets and ISK is fully earnable in-game and pays for everything else.
Using snake-implants? Not a problem, if you can pay for it. Just because some can and some can't don't mean those who do are paying to win - it simply means they have more/better assets in-game, and can STILL be killed by superior tactics and/or means by other players.
Faction gear - ISK and/or LP. 50million skillpoint character? You have to earn that or buy one for ISK if your lazy enough or don't have the time to train it to that state, and that toon can STILL be killed by others. Playing long enough to have any number of SP is not a crime - it's an achievement for playing a long time.
Off-Grid Boosters are not cheating either, so much as I'd live to think they are - you are not breaking any game-rules, though you are utilizing a mechanic that is completely idiotic, and I do hope we get to the point where any boosters have to be on the field, on grid, for the boost to take affect. You want to run your booster? By all means, but prepare to risk it in the combat you are going into, the idea that a frigate 1v1 is almost guaranteed in one guy's favor because he has OGB support is moronic in the extreme.
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Hidden Snake
Hidden Squid Society The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
276
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Posted - 2013.03.19 08:01:00 -
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ok ...another OGB tearfall ....I will repeat to OP. OGB is helping to fight a blob. blob is bad. multibox is ok. so dont touch the OGB if you dont like the blob. once you will force boosters ongrid, only blobs can have them and then they will become invincible. OGB allows kiting and range fights to pickup targets from blob or to harrash blobs to destruction. OGB is creating legendary fights outnumbered. hammer it and blob will rule the eve. |
Zap Zarrap
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.03.19 10:22:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote:ok ...another OGB tearfall ....I will repeat to OP. OGB is helping to fight a blob. blob is bad. multibox is ok. so dont touch the OGB if you dont like the blob. once you will force boosters ongrid, only blobs can have them and then they will become invincible. OGB allows kiting and range fights to pickup targets from blob or to harrash blobs to destruction. OGB is creating legendary fights outnumbered. hammer it and blob will rule the eve.
i thought it already does rule eve ? i mean its not like those "blobs" dont have OGB-¦s right now... the blob and fleet mechanics - cyno stuff especially - show the same basic concept even board games like axis & allies show. numbers beat great tactics and superior tactics and strategy all the time.
anyways back to the OGB and Pay2win.
it is true that more toons / clients run at the same time do provide an advantage. it is also true that it might feel like pay2win when th you just cant afford the second account and are not able to finance it through plex ....yet.
still, i know dozens of people that have more than one account (some upwards of five) and dont pay for a single one of them anymore.
jealous ? i know i am. but i dont whine about it. i have three accounts and happily pay for all of them. i consider them not to be a way to "beat the system" but to do what i enjoy in a more enjoyable way.
i , like others , would never try to multibox in a pvp situation. unless its a blob fight then its easy and takes no skill at all as the only thing you do is activate modules / press F1 sometimes.
i do respect those players that can dual- or even triplebox in pvp , although i have yet to see someone who does not suffer in effectiveness. still, three ships at 60-70% beat the crap out of one ship at 100%. is that cheating ? i dont think so.
the question i have to ask and i think that might be one of the points suggested in this thread somewhere down the line: how come that eve is the only MMO that i know of that openly promote having multiple accounts just to be able to compete or play better. and i dont mean twinks. I mean real alts on real different accounts to be able to be online at the same time.
of course the subscription numbers are on an alltime high right now. and rightfully so as eve is a great game. but, how come ccp never tells anyone how many real separate players / customers they actually have.
eve is almost a perfect niche and caters to that niche almost perfectly. and that niche favors dualbox, multi accounts. the rest (be it ongrid or offgrid, afk cloakies or cyno meachnaics, which suck) ist just minor details.
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Claire Raynor
NovaGear Limitless Inc.
94
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Posted - 2013.03.19 12:51:00 -
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Dear all,
There has been some discussion on here - see my previous posts - about Multi-Boxing / Multi-Clients. Like I said - I run 4 accounts but have to interact with each client independantly by moving the mouse to each window. Some people on this thread have made a distinction between that and something called Multi-Boxing which they have alluded to being a system where instructions are sent to multiple clients simultaneously.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2760893#post2760893
Confirms that this may be against the EULA. Some people have said that ISBoxer should be banned. It appears it may well be now.
Just FYI - because from what I can gather this has changed recently. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14556
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Posted - 2013.03.19 17:46:00 -
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Claire Raynor wrote:Dear all, There has been some discussion on here - see my previous posts - about Multi-Boxing / Multi-Clients. Like I said - I run 4 accounts but have to interact with each client independantly by moving the mouse to each window. Some people on this thread have made a distinction between that and something called Multi-Boxing which they have alluded to being a system where instructions are sent to multiple clients simultaneously. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2760893#post2760893Confirms that this may be against the EULA. Some people have said that ISBoxer should be banned. It appears it may well be now. Just FYI - because from what I can gather this has changed recently. With all due respect, you should not take the word of another player. As and until CCP say otherwise, it's still allowed.
Edit: They have stated on the forum, they are discussing this. But for now their stance hasn't changed. In case some see irony in my post. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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