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Dsanta2345
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Posted - 2005.08.15 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rafein I dunno.
I would have thought with everyone being so Happy missile got balanced vs guns, that everyone would be just as excited with Lasers needing ammo, since it balances lasers vs. the other guns and missiles.
Guess it only matters if they nerf something you don;t use.
how long have you been playing eve?
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Dsanta2345
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Posted - 2005.08.15 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Dsanta2345 on 15/08/2005 14:56:22
Originally by: Professor McFly Just to clarify, are lasers completely unable to fire unless a crystal is loaded?
yes, if you want good dmg
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.15 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Winterblink on 15/08/2005 14:57:05
Originally by: Professor McFly Just to clarify, are lasers completely unable to fire unless a crystal is loaded?
No, the crystals modify the damage and range attributes of the laser. They're not required to fire.
Edit: Am I wrong on this? I don't remember needing crystals to be loaded the last time I used lasers.
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Dsanta2345
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Posted - 2005.08.15 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 15/08/2005 14:57:05
Originally by: Professor McFly Just to clarify, are lasers completely unable to fire unless a crystal is loaded?
No, the crystals modify the damage and range attributes of the laser. They're not required to fire.
Edit: Am I wrong on this? I don't remember needing crystals to be loaded the last time I used lasers.
i would test it right now but im in a shuttle
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Dsanta2345
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Posted - 2005.08.15 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Dsanta2345 on 15/08/2005 14:58:28 whoa re[post
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.08.15 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Summersnow Lazer users sacrifice damage variety, i.e. they ONLY do EM & Therm, and pay a hefty cap use,
WTB 425mm railgun + explosive/em ammo and cap usage less than lasers on an apoc with high battleship skill.
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Shemaul
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:00:00 -
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No need to worry. We are talking about lasers...noone at CCP dare to make something to lasers. If some of this kind will be in the game, crystals will cost 10 isk, they'll have 1.000.000 shots, they take 0,001 cargo space per crystal, and prob they give a 30% damage bonus on all crystals.
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Makhan
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:01:00 -
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looks like gallente really are the only onces avoiding this whirlpool of ill-conceived nerfs.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:06:00 -
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I thought they made crystals a requirement when they added the 'standard' crystal?
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Belshamarothx
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Makhan looks like gallente really are the only onces avoiding this whirlpool of ill-conceived nerfs.
As it looks at the moment.....
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Elektra Storm
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rafein since it balances lasers vs. the other guns and missiles.
lasers use a **** load of capacitor explain to me how that is balanced! When missile and progectile users use no cap, im all for these changes however make lasers use similar
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Makhan looks like gallente really are the only onces avoiding this whirlpool of ill-conceived nerfs.
You mean Gallente and Minmatar.
And since when? When the major changes to tracking were introduced you couldn't get anywhere near these forums without an asbestos suit on. Not saying that didn't affect every race, but at least when Amarr miss they aren't losing ammo. :)
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Elektra Storm
Originally by: Rafein since it balances lasers vs. the other guns and missiles.
lasers use a **** load of capacitor explain to me how that is balanced! When missile and progectile users use no cap, im all for these changes however make lasers use similar
Actually, lasers barely use more cap then hybrid (or less in some cases).
Oh, and your ships generally have much better base cap too.
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation Dunno, 4000 shots/1 m2 cargo still seems pretty good
yeah, I'll take that and still love my amarr ships over having to stuff my ravens entire cargo hold full of torps.
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Dsanta2345
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Elektra Storm
Originally by: Rafein since it balances lasers vs. the other guns and missiles.
lasers use a **** load of capacitor explain to me how that is balanced! When missile and progectile users use no cap, im all for these changes however make lasers use similar
i second that. on a maller with 3 medium beam lasers i can fire them with 1 ap recharger for a max of 4mins b4 they dain the cap and its about 1800 of cap.
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:14:00 -
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I guess ill have to repackage mine and sell them when they get low Zandramus
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Avon I thought they made crystals a requirement when they added the 'standard' crystal?
Or was that in a dream?
Don't know, the last time I used lasers was way before that change. Back when I made my Thorax into a mobile Pink Floyd concert with all them purty lights. :)
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:16:00 -
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last time i checked, apoc and geddon were very close in cargo size to scorp and raven (note, the 2 largest sized ammo users in game)
so, if your amarr ships have cargo space for 1100 high damage shots and thats all, IE raven and torps, then i agree, leave crystals alone
on the other hand, i think 4k shots is a bit low, id say 6k is about right, gives a fair price per shot ratio then
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Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:17:00 -
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so for small multifrequency
its 2.5 isk a shot
for my Claw's autocannon, its 12isk/shot, and I fire every 1.6 seconds. You are still saving ****loads of money.
for large multifreq:
its 100 isk/shot... the same as large turret users pay! Why are you whining?
God you people make me sick. First you all say nerf the raven, but noooo, please dont nerf my amarr ship! its not like lasers dont do awesome damage allready!
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cannedbeef God you people make me sick. First you all say nerf the raven, but noooo, please dont nerf my amarr ship! its not like lasers dont do awesome damage allready!
Welcome to the MMO genre, where every nerf is ok as long as it doesn't affect you. :)
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Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Cannedbeef on 15/08/2005 15:22:41
Originally by: babylonstew last time i checked, apoc and geddon were very close in cargo size to scorp and raven (note, the 2 largest sized ammo users in game)
so, if your amarr ships have cargo space for 1100 high damage shots and thats all, IE raven and torps, then i agree, leave crystals alone
on the other hand, i think 4k shots is a bit low, id say 6k is about right, gives a fair price per shot ratio then
How are you guys posting so much cost for your focusing crystals?
Multifrequency : 320,000isk. Set of 8, 2.56m Infrared: 71,000isk Set of 8, 568,000isk
So even for multifrequency, the more expensive crystal, as long as it lasts you about 3 missions worth, its still cheaper than torpedo's.
Raven can carry 1,100 torps. which is about 45 minutes worth of ammo, costing 550,000 isk.
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Dsanta2345
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: babylonstew last time i checked, apoc and geddon were very close in cargo size to scorp and raven (note, the 2 largest sized ammo users in game)
so, if your amarr ships have cargo space for 1100 high damage shots and thats all, IE raven and torps, then i agree, leave crystals alone
on the other hand, i think 4k shots is a bit low, id say 6k is about right, gives a fair price per shot ratio then
my geddon has 600m3 cargo space
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: sonofollo Looking at sisi looks like u will get 4000 shots out of each laser cystal (weapons) before they become worn out and need replacing good idea CCP lets have a skill that boosts shots per level by 2-5% though
A good idea for those of us trying to sell laser cystals they will raise demand good call CCP
This only applies to crystals which deteriorate by use alread, like faction crystals and mining crystals. This does not apply to your run of the mill crystals.
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Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:24:00 -
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You should make normal crystals destroyable over time.. :-P
2.5isk a shot for the most expensive crystal on my Malediction and Crusader aren't that bad. :)
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:25:00 -
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Lasers don't fire without a crystal.
This is utter crap. Completely utter crap.
For standard operating you have to carry a minimum of 3 sets of crytstal in your hold. Most times 4. So assuming that you can get a really good price that about 36 million in *AMMO ALONE* that you have to cart about in your hold.
Not to mention that while all other races get a damage bonus so they have fewer large guns to fit, Amarr ships get an extra gun with no damage bonus to balance it out. Only now we are gong to be using *25% MORE AMMO THAN THE EQUIVALANT RACIAL BATTLESHIP*.
This is in addition to the high cost of manufacturing, requirement of multiple sets of lens (all at risk when you undock), smallest cargohold and highest cap use in the game made lasers balanced before.
Now we have all the negatives that balanced out with having to carry ammo PLUS THE HIGHEST PER SHOT COST AND THE HIGHEST USEAGE AS WELL??
This does not sound remotely balanced to me.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Fear on 15/08/2005 15:27:46
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: sonofollo Looking at sisi looks like u will get 4000 shots out of each laser cystal (weapons) before they become worn out and need replacing good idea CCP lets have a skill that boosts shots per level by 2-5% though
A good idea for those of us trying to sell laser cystals they will raise demand good call CCP
This only applies to crystals which deteriorate by use alread, like faction crystals and mining crystals. This does not apply to your run of the mill crystals.
The only change done was that they now show how much "hp" they have left until they get destroyed.
And I assume tech2 crystals will decay also. Originally by: Nyxus Now we have all the negatives that balanced out with having to carry ammo PLUS THE HIGHEST PER SHOT COST AND THE HIGHEST USEAGE AS WELL??
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
This only applies to crystals which deteriorate by use alread, like faction crystals and mining crystals. This does not apply to your run of the mill crystals.
The only change done was that they now show how much "hp" they have left until they get destroyed.
So just to clarify, run of the mill T1 crystals still last until the ship goes boom, right? -------------- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?
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Harry MacDougal
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Posted - 2005.08.15 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus Edited by: Nyxus on 15/08/2005 15:37:01 Lasers don't fire without a crystal.
neither to other guns. Point?
Originally by: Nyxus For standard operating you have to carry a minimum of 3 sets of crytstal in your hold. Most times 4. So assuming that you can get a really good price that about 36 million in *AMMO ALONE* that you have to cart about in your hold.
I wish that it were reasonable to carry 3-4 sets of proj/missile/hybrid charges in my hold.
Originally by: Nyxus Not to mention that while all other races get a damage bonus so they have fewer large guns to fit, Amarr ships get an extra gun with no damage bonus to balance it out. Only now we are gong to be using *25% MORE AMMO THAN THE EQUIVALANT RACIAL BATTLESHIP*.
Okay, fair point. However, from the posts before, it seems like you'll be using less isk/shot, especially since this only applies to t2 and faction ammo (see Oveur's post)
Originally by: Nyxus
This is in addition to the high cost of manufacturing, requirement of multiple sets of lens (all at risk when you undock), smallest cargohold and highest cap use in the game made lasers balanced before.
either wrong or a luxury...read above
Originally by: Nyxus Now we have all the negatives that balanced out with having to carry ammo PLUS THE HIGHEST PER SHOT COST AND THE HIGHEST USEAGE AS WELL??
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2005.08.15 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: nahtoh on 15/08/2005 16:19:04 Edited by: nahtoh on 15/08/2005 16:18:43
Originally by: Therin Dracul Edited by: Therin Dracul on 15/08/2005 13:13:04 1. Major point here.
Joe Hybrid user can junk all his projectile/missile ammo and make it into hybrid charges fairly easily.
However, Joe laser user can not to the same thing, because even cruiser lenses use minerals not found in the other ammo types ( zydrine and megacyte )
Also, because of the fact that they use zyd/mega, now that lenses have become a commodity, they are going to be tied closely to the volatility of the markets.
If there is a war in certain sectors of space, the price of lenses might double or triple overnight.
To be honest, it really wouldnt bother me much if lenses became more 'ammo' like. However, they really need to change their mineral composotion or its entirely unfair to amarr.
BooHoo welcome to the wonderfull world of misile users...ever had a look at the amount of rares torps use?
4k jugs use zyrd 200 mega 80 1 gamma large zyrd 2 mega 40
Tell me how many of those can you fit in your cargo?
Cry me a river or as all the peeps asking for a reduction on misile size have been told adapt or quit...
Damm T1s don't degrade...bummer
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2005.08.15 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Nyxus on 15/08/2005 16:28:04
Quote: neither to other guns. Point?
Harry I was responding to a question earlier in the thread. Please read the entire thread before sarcastically commenting on someone else's post. It keeps you from looking like a muppet.
Quote: I wish that it were reasonable to carry 3-4 sets of proj/missile/hybrid charges in my hold.
You don't need to. It's called falloff.
Final point: on faction ammo it will still be more expensive for Laser users than any other type. Not only do we need more stacks/lenses, even if the isk/shot is less (which I seriously doubt looking at crystal costs) we still have to put ammo into 2 extra turrets.
Make them repairable and no one will complain anymore.
Nyxus
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