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Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:20:00 -
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novice: only t1 frigates including navy/pirate small: only t2 frigates, destroyers medium: only t1/t2 cruisers large: unrestricted
basically: i'd like to see more ship hulls out and about IF YOU DON'T FLY AMARR THEN YOU DON'T LIKE A CHALLENGE SO GET ******
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JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:37:00 -
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No interceptors in medium plexes? |
Princess Nexxala
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:38:00 -
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I wouldn't be opposed to this. derp? |
Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:39:00 -
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JAF Anders wrote:No interceptors in medium plexes?
they can go to smalls and unrestricted IF YOU DON'T FLY AMARR THEN YOU DON'T LIKE A CHALLENGE SO GET ******
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chatgris
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:45:00 -
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No thanks - I'd miss soloing cruisers in my condor.
On the flip side, I also love a swarm of destroyers attacking my cruiser (depending on which cruiser I have).
IMO, the current system is good because it allows you to break the "bigger is better" fleet doctrines. But it still allows you to take less powerful ships against more powerful ones if you so choose, and I would not like that option taken away. |
Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:47:00 -
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chatgris wrote:No thanks - I'd miss soloing cruisers in my condor. solo them in a cruiser IF YOU DON'T FLY AMARR THEN YOU DON'T LIKE A CHALLENGE SO GET ******
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chatgris
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:48:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:chatgris wrote:No thanks - I'd miss soloing cruisers in my condor. solo them in a cruiser
Far less BC points, and a much better chance they'll just run away. Same goes for dessies: If I see a solo destroyer in a plex, I'll usually bring a frigate. Increases my points, and increases the chance he'll fight me. |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:50:00 -
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Would be nice to see a plex for BC's; covering all bases. |
Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:52:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote:chatgris wrote:No thanks - I'd miss soloing cruisers in my condor. solo them in a cruiser Far less BC points, and a much better chance they'll just run away. Same goes for dessies: If I see a solo destroyer in a plex, I'll usually bring a frigate. Increases my points, and increases the chance he'll fight me.
ah i thought you were in it for the gf
(no, lm damp or td condor vs. anything is not gf unless it's vs. another damp condor) IF YOU DON'T FLY AMARR THEN YOU DON'T LIKE A CHALLENGE SO GET ******
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Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:52:00 -
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It wouldn't be a bad change. Not sure if it would make things 'better' though That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
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Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:54:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:It wouldn't be a bad change. Not sure if it would make things 'better' though not looking to make things "better"
but people who want to defend plexes or asault plexes will have to bring the appropriate ships.
also people who want to fight with cruisers against cruisers, albeit maybe t1 vs. t2, will be able to
same with the other size plexes. IF YOU DON'T FLY AMARR THEN YOU DON'T LIKE A CHALLENGE SO GET ******
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chatgris
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:55:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:chatgris wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote:chatgris wrote:No thanks - I'd miss soloing cruisers in my condor. solo them in a cruiser Far less BC points, and a much better chance they'll just run away. Same goes for dessies: If I see a solo destroyer in a plex, I'll usually bring a frigate. Increases my points, and increases the chance he'll fight me. ah i thought you were in it for the gf (no, lm damp or td condor vs. anything is not gf unless it's vs. another damp condor)
rofl wtf? A td makes something not a gf?
Even if your amarr love makes you hate kiting condors (and there's nothing wrong with kiting condors) I fly an AB condor.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18178288
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Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:57:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote:chatgris wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote:chatgris wrote:No thanks - I'd miss soloing cruisers in my condor. solo them in a cruiser Far less BC points, and a much better chance they'll just run away. Same goes for dessies: If I see a solo destroyer in a plex, I'll usually bring a frigate. Increases my points, and increases the chance he'll fight me. ah i thought you were in it for the gf (no, lm damp or td condor vs. anything is not gf unless it's vs. another damp condor) rofl wtf? A td makes something not a gf? Even if your amarr love makes you hate kiting condors (and there's nothing wrong with kiting condors) I fly an AB condor. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18178288
lm = light missile
and yes, 0% chance of losing with 100% chance to disengage at will means not a gf. IF YOU DON'T FLY AMARR THEN YOU DON'T LIKE A CHALLENGE SO GET ******
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chatgris
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:59:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote: lm = light missile
OK then, I don't fly lm condors. I still like to solo cruisers/destroyers in my rocket AB condor, which this would significantly hamper. It would also make it harder to take my 100MN omen against dessie gangs.
Point is, in my experience the vast majority of squids are terrified to engage. I get the majority of my fights by shipping down and charging the plex they want to get LP from, or getting a ship class higher against the blob and waiting in a separate plex where it's harder for them to effectively warp in the blob from the next system. This would just reduce the amount of pvp I get, therefore I am strongly opposed. |
Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
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Posted - 2013.03.08 19:59:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:It wouldn't be a bad change. Not sure if it would make things 'better' though not looking to make things "better" but people who want to defend plexes or asault plexes will have to bring the appropriate ships. also people who want to fight with cruisers against cruisers, albeit maybe t1 vs. t2, will be able to same with the other size plexes.
TBH I would also like to see more ship types in FW being used.
I recently started flying cruisers more and all I find are frigs that just run away :(
With the rebalance the difference between T1 & T2 is a lot less now so it wouldn't automatically be a loss situation if you are in a plex in a T1 and a T2 warps in. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2013.03.08 20:01:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote: lm = light missile
OK then, I don't fly lm condors. I still like to solo cruisers/destroyers in my rocket AB condor, which this would significantly hamper. It would also make it harder to take my 100MN omen against dessie gangs.
catch them on stargates or a-gates then.
yes i realize that with a-gates you can session change to be unpointable, but if you're sitting outside of a medium you might get some cruiser tempted to fight you.
just a thought.
glad we agree
and no td doens't make a fight not a gf. IF YOU DON'T FLY AMARR THEN YOU DON'T LIKE A CHALLENGE SO GET ******
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Princess Nexxala
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Posted - 2013.03.08 20:01:00 -
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OFC you would, it's the only way you can stay ahead of me on BC Now if we could just come up with a mechanic to force you to share intel...
chatgris wrote:No thanks - I'd miss soloing cruisers in my condor.
On the flip side, I also love a swarm of destroyers attacking my cruiser (depending on which cruiser I have).
IMO, the current system is good because it allows you to break the "bigger is better" fleet doctrines. But it still allows you to take less powerful ships against more powerful ones if you so choose, and I would not like that option taken away.
derp? |
chatgris
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Posted - 2013.03.08 20:05:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:chatgris wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote: lm = light missile
OK then, I don't fly lm condors. I still like to solo cruisers/destroyers in my rocket AB condor, which this would significantly hamper. It would also make it harder to take my 100MN omen against dessie gangs. catch them on stargates or a-gates then. yes i realize that with a-gates you can session change to be unpointable, but if you're sitting outside of a medium you might get some cruiser tempted to fight you. just a thought. glad we agree and no td doens't make a fight not a gf.
At stargates they just burn back before I have time to kill them. And most squids wont fight unless
a) You threaten their LP acquisition b) They think they will easily roflstomp you
We agree on our disdain of lm condors (personally they just aren't that interesting for me to fly, I know they are very powerful), but I disagree on your proposal because it would greatly reduce the amount of pvp I get. |
chatgris
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Posted - 2013.03.08 20:08:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:OFC you would, it's the only way you can stay ahead of me on BC Now if we could just come up with a mechanic to force you to share intel... chatgris wrote:No thanks - I'd miss soloing cruisers in my condor.
On the flip side, I also love a swarm of destroyers attacking my cruiser (depending on which cruiser I have).
IMO, the current system is good because it allows you to break the "bigger is better" fleet doctrines. But it still allows you to take less powerful ships against more powerful ones if you so choose, and I would not like that option taken away.
Hey, I have a real job :) It's my use of t1 frigs and hiding intel on squid gangs so I can solo them is all I got going for me!
(On that note, that's another reason i hate Caerin's auto-notification idea. I wanna be able to hide the location of squid gangs so I can farm the BC points and not Nexx! Or not just have them run away as everyone within 3 jumps runs for the notification)
EDIT: Also, if I were forced to share intel, then I couldn't just sneak you into the fight when I need just a tiny bit of backup instead of bringing down the whole blob.
EDIT 2: Yes I know I just took a good joke and over analyzed it. |
JAF Anders
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Posted - 2013.03.08 20:30:00 -
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I can't say that I like this. If you want to see more hulls out and about, you should fly them and you should get your buddies to fly them. |
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Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2013.03.08 20:35:00 -
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Thanks but no thanks.
Now you can oppose a destroyer with 2 frigs, or a cruiser with 2 destroyers, or the other way around. You're just missing out on a lot of fights.
Also, things interceptors are more suited to fight t1 frigs than they are suited to fight AF's and destroyers.
Also, you are thinking of solutions where there aren't any problems. |
Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2013.03.08 20:44:00 -
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Merdaneth wrote:Thanks but no thanks.
Now you can oppose a destroyer with 2 frigs, or a cruiser with 2 destroyers, or the other way around. You're just missing out on a lot of fights.
Also, things interceptors are more suited to fight t1 frigs than they are suited to fight AF's and destroyers.
Also, you are thinking of solutions where there aren't any problems.
i implicitely stated the problem in the op IF YOU DON'T FLY AMARR THEN YOU DON'T LIKE A CHALLENGE SO GET ******
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Iggys
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.03.09 02:49:00 -
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I would like to see a new plex only for cruisers and up. I miss seeing cruiser/BC/BS fights. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2013.03.09 15:29:00 -
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Op
Bad idea. There is no reason a small group of assault ships and dessies shouldn't be allowed to fight a cruiser. Just the other dayi had a gf in a cruiser. Or couple of t1 frigates v dessie or af.
What you propose is to much like dueling arenas. The restrictions are working well. If not enough people are doing Med plexes then the incentive can be increased by more VP lp or standings.
Also more large plexes should spawn. This will mean more larger ships. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Trinkets friend
Minmatar-Amarr Man-Boy Love Association
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Posted - 2013.03.10 23:48:00 -
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Typical brain-melting-out-nostrils blather from DCM.
See, the DCM/Hotpocket schol of Flying goes like this. 1) never offensive plex. 2) When a scrublord is in your plex, pref a small, undock a gank Coercer. 3) Fly said Coercer in to the Plex. overheat all the things and shoot at the enemy. 4) Warp pod back to station, repeat steps 2 and 3 until enemy is ejected from plex. 5) Commence attempts at smacktalk
if all else fails, log on more alts and/or Cynthia, and repeat steps 2 through 5.
It sucks when people don't fly so that you can welp your ships into them again and again, but that's no reason to change plex mechanics. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.03.11 05:12:00 -
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Iggys wrote:I would like to see a new plex only for cruisers and up. I miss seeing cruiser/BC/BS fights.
there is always 0.0 to go
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chatgris
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Posted - 2013.03.20 07:24:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:novice: only t1 frigates including navy/pirate small: only t2 frigates, destroyers medium: only t1/t2 cruisers large: unrestricted
basically: i'd like to see more ship hulls out and about
A suggestion that both encourages a greater variety of ships, but doesn't discourage fights:
The restrictions for entering a plex remain the same.
However, for the timer to run, a ship of the type listed above must be within range of the capture beacon. Large's could require a BC or above to run as well.
If this change were implemented with the timer rollback, a frigate could still chase a cruiser out of a medium and have the button count back to its default state (giving the cruiser incentive to fight the frigate), but closing the plex would require a ship of the right size. |
JAF Anders
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Posted - 2013.03.20 15:11:00 -
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chatgris wrote:
[F]or the timer to run, a ship of the type listed above must be within range of the capture beacon. Large's could require a BC or above to run as well.
That's got pretty stiff repercussions. Defensive plexing becomes much more cumbersome. Overall LP generation from complexes gets slashed by at least half, since most of the plexes run for LP are run by T1 frigates. I'm not sure where I stand regarding the ensuing scarcity of LP. |
Princess Nexxala
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Posted - 2013.03.20 15:47:00 -
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I came to troll chatgris and am forced to complement a really good idea. I would love this to be implemented +1
chatgris wrote: A suggestion that both encourages a greater variety of ships, but doesn't discourage fights:
The restrictions for entering a plex remain the same.
However, for the timer to run, a ship of the type listed above must be within range of the capture beacon. Large's could require a BC or above to run as well.
If this change were implemented with the timer rollback, a frigate could still chase a cruiser out of a medium and have the button count back to its default state (giving the cruiser incentive to fight the frigate), but closing the plex would require a ship of the right size.
derp? |
chatgris
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Posted - 2013.03.20 15:58:00 -
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JAF Anders wrote:chatgris wrote:
[F]or the timer to run, a ship of the type listed above must be within range of the capture beacon. Large's could require a BC or above to run as well.
That's got pretty stiff repercussions. Defensive plexing becomes much more cumbersome. Overall LP generation from complexes gets slashed by at least half, since most of the plexes run for LP are run by T1 frigates. I'm not sure where I stand regarding the ensuing scarcity of LP.
From what you're saying, it seems to be hurting farmers, which is also a big plus.
Defensive plexing becomes more cumbersome, but so does offensive plexing. No more single frigate running every plex in a stabbed t1 frigate. |
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