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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:03:00 -
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lol um did we all forget about CCP's last thing with a big alliance... you know cheating... O rite... nothing changed? lol Shocking.
Love for some 0.0 alliances to dec and pwn these asshats dec shield yourself all you want when the big guys come to **** you =) |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:31:00 -
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supersexysucker wrote:lol um did we all forget about CCP's last thing with a big alliance... you know cheating... O rite... nothing changed? lol Shocking.
Love for some 0.0 alliances to dec and pwn these asshats dec shield yourself all you want when the big guys come to **** you =) Most of the 0.0 alliances get along quite well with E-Uni. I'm sure that will spawn some new conspiracy theories from their favorite stalker...
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
76
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:31:00 -
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I don't know about this threads actual topic but I know there are only two CSM members worth two ***** and thats Trebor and Seleen. Draculina Alucardi...3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)-á Support the cause! Linky |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:37:00 -
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Goddess Ishtar wrote:Most of the 0.0 alliances get along quite well with E-Uni. I'm sure that will spawn some new conspiracy theories from their favorite stalker... What conspiracy? CCP has been bending over backwards to make EVE University's high-sec existence easier, because they believe EVE University is a newbie training corporation and that they help with new player retention.
The recent wardec policy change is evidence of this "backwards over bending."
(Whereas EVE University does recruit newbies, and they probably have some success retaining them as permanent paying customers for CCP, the majority of their members are long-time, experienced carebears who are not at all interested in PvP or the EVE sandbox.)
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Jessie Kenan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:41:00 -
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@OP
Boo ******* hoo, I can't wardec a newbie corp to get cheap kills. Thing is that they're actually providing a service that benefits the whole of eve (new player retention) while all you do is ***** and moan on the forums.
I wouldn't mind if Estel Corp did the same, but of course they don't need to since they don't attract the ***** wardecs as they're not full of noobs. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
101
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:43:00 -
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Jessie Kenan wrote:I wouldn't mind if Estel Corp did the same, but of course they don't need to since they don't attract the ***** wardecs as they're not full of noobs. Neither is EVE University. You've been misled. Only 15% of their total membership are characters less than three months old.
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Jessie Kenan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:57:00 -
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92% of all statistics are not based on actual facts. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:58:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel you need to forget about E-Uni and put your energies into destroying the real enemy: roleplayers |
Trainwreck McGee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:59:00 -
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whhhhaaaaa i cant leet pvp noobs in a intro carebear corp whhaaaaa whaaaaa whaaaaa i might have to actually pvp with people who want to whaaaaa whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Seriously get a ******* life CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:51:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Jessie Kenan wrote:I wouldn't mind if Estel Corp did the same, but of course they don't need to since they don't attract the ***** wardecs as they're not full of noobs. Neither is EVE University. You've been misled. Only 15% of their total membership are characters less than three months old.
Can you back this up? |
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:56:00 -
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Sara XIII wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Jessie Kenan wrote:I wouldn't mind if Estel Corp did the same, but of course they don't need to since they don't attract the ***** wardecs as they're not full of noobs. Neither is EVE University. You've been misled. Only 15% of their total membership are characters less than three months old. Can you back this up? Poetic never lets things like facts or proof get in the way of his obsession with the uni.
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Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:36:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:Why isn't it okay to artificially raise the price of a war dec ... It's okay to raise the cost of a wardec ... but ... 1. E-Uni is taking raising the cost to an extreme. 2. E-Uni is not bearing the cost itself of taking it to that extreme, utilizing an exploit to avoid the majority of the CONCORD fees to raise the cost of a wardec against them.
1. How much of an extreme are we talking? I honestly don't know because it doesn't matter to me. Although, it does make sense that even within the lore of EvE an entity could have so much political pull and money to make war declarations difficult. Also, if someone REALLY wants to kill a person they can, it will just cost them. As I said before, war decs are fine, but excessive griefing (especially against new players) is just out of line.
2. This I didnt know about please elaborate before I say something I regret |
Mohr Cowbell
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:37:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:There are two CSMs in this game. They've become a carebear haven. They are now effectively impossible to wardec. CCP gave them, in essence, a PvP flag. .
I have no idea if this is true or not. But seriously, why do you want to wardec E-UNI? Theres not exactly a shortage of corps to wardec. Oh wait.... oh.... I see why.
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Digital Messiah
N7 Corporation
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:39:00 -
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non judgement wrote:Why worry about Eve-Uni? No one really cares what you think about Eve-Uni. because you've gone on about them over and over again. Don't you think it's getting a bit old? How long can you hold a grudge for?
I've never been part of the Uni. I just think it's just a corp that helps people new to Eve. Which is great cause Eve isn't the easiest thing to just play without learning how to do all the different things in the game, and you feel like it's your job to give them a hard time about not much at all.
I'd like to see you try running a corp thats meant to train new players while getting heaps of wardecs. I don't think it's a simple thing unless you want to teach people how to fight during a wardec.
get over it.
/me feeding something bad and knowing it wont change. Good points, also it isn't like EVE-U is holding SOV : / "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" |
Gogurt
62
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:42:00 -
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Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:45:00 -
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How about a compromise: Get rid of the escalating costs of wardecs, so everyone in Eve can wardec Eve Uni and Privateers can wardec every single 0.0 alliance. To compensate and provide a safe place for lessons or whatever, implement a new concord widget that prevents launching drones and firing non-civilian weapons in 1.0 space at all.
There is plenty of precedent for magical concord widgets. You can't use a smartbomb on the Jita undock due to magical widgets. You can't use bubbles in highsec due to magical widgets. You can't jump your super cap fleet into highsec due to magical widgets. A new widget that was only used in 1.0 systems would fit right in.
1.0 systems are mostly places where billions of humans live, it always seemed a little odd that no one minds people firing all kinds of weapons right next to the amarr home world. It's a game so ammunition that misses the target never hits anything, but realistically plenty of ammo would get sucked into the planet's the gravity well, and even if it all burned up harmlessly in the atmosphere it would disturb the population. 1.0 systems are also where brand new newbies spawn, and they just want to be left alone while they figure out how to make their ships go. Allowing civilian guns would let them still do that first tutorial mission. If some jerk wants to put 8 small civilian guns on his battleship and try to gank people in 1.0 systems, I wish him good luck, it certainly won't go quickly.
1.0 systems are almost worthless now, this would just make them slightly more worthless. You can't mine there, the belts are all tapped out. If you want to rat you are much better off going to a 0.7 or 0.8 system, even as a low-skill newbie. (If you do want to rat in 1.0, I imagine civilian guns would be sufficient.) There would need to be some code jiggering so that missions wouldn't send you to fight things in 1.0 systems. People could cower in 1.0 and be poor and almost completely safe (with a reasonable tank even that 8 civilian gun ganker isn't much of a threat). "Schools" can keep their precious newbies safe during classes. But if you want to make any money you have to leave 1.0 and expose yourself to real guns and other dangers. Real newbies will be safe, but oldbies hiding in a school won't be able to rake in the isk without exposing themselves to danger. Everyone is happy.
Hilariously, Jita is a 0.9 system, so this wouldn't protect alliances visiting the largest market in the game. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
108
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Posted - 2011.10.15 02:58:00 -
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Sara XIII wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Jessie Kenan wrote:I wouldn't mind if Estel Corp did the same, but of course they don't need to since they don't attract the ***** wardecs as they're not full of noobs. Neither is EVE University. You've been misled. Only 15% of their total membership are characters less than three months old. Can you back this up? Can you write a little PHP or Python or Ruby?
http://members.eveuniversity.org, and then run them against the API for character age. The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2011.10.15 04:04:00 -
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Unfortunately I can't. But you had to get that number from somewhere. |
Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.10.15 04:50:00 -
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Sara XIII wrote:Unfortunately I can't. But you had to get that number from somewhere. Tip: It came from his ass.
I'll actually some some of the work for you both this weekend if I get the chance - we have the data in the forum database already. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University |
glepp
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.10.15 07:02:00 -
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In this thread: witness the fury of a lover scorned.
By golly, i almost don't wish i have better stuff to do. |
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non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.15 07:05:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:Sara XIII wrote:Unfortunately I can't. But you had to get that number from somewhere. Tip: It came from his ass. I'll actually some some of the work for you both this weekend if I get the chance - we have the data in the forum database already. Seems like lots of things he says comes from his ass.
I almost feel like offering some help, if any corp wants to get rid of a wardec they can join and leave my alliance. But it'd expect to be paid, of course. ;D |
Stetson Hollander
Fool's Paradise
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:07:00 -
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Poetic Stanzitroll wrote:It's pretty clear.
Docking games are legitimate uses of in-game mechanics to avoid war targets.
Dec shields are illegitimate uses of in-games mechanics to avoid war targets.
I really don't understand the confusion?
Its clearly evident that when it suits to hurt the uni your all for it. If however it hurts the "rights" of trolls greifers and asshats its perfectly ok.
Work for Fox news they need people as bitter and full of their own spiteful vendettas , at least then you could make some money at it.
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Zerra Zeta
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:09:00 -
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Stetson Hollander wrote:Poetic Stanzitroll wrote:It's pretty clear.
Docking games are legitimate uses of in-game mechanics to avoid war targets.
Dec shields are illegitimate uses of in-games mechanics to avoid war targets.
I really don't understand the confusion? Its clearly evident that when it suits to hurt the uni your all for it. If however it hurts the "rights" of trolls greifers and asshats its perfectly ok. Work for Fox news they need people as bitter and full of their own spiteful vendettas , at least then you could make some money at it.
Why isn't there a downvote button?
Hearing about how teenagers hate the 'media' as portrayed on their comedy central news programs hurts my head. |
Azelor Delaria
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:15:00 -
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non judgement wrote:I've never been part of the Uni. I just think it's just a corp that helps people new to Eve. Which is great cause Eve isn't the easiest thing to just play without learning how to do all the different things in the game, and you feel like it's your job to give them a hard time about not much at all.
The problem is, they don't help new players. I'll tie what I mean into the following...
Quote:I'd like to see you try running a corp thats meant to train new players while getting heaps of wardecs. I don't think it's a simple thing unless you want to teach people how to fight during a wardec.
They don't teach PvP. They teach blobbing. As I mentioned previously, I watched a single RvB Hookbill warp into an EUni gatecamp at range. Rifters and other T1 frigates began to break off, chasing the juicy kill. I watched said Hookbill demolish seven or eight frigates and manage to warp out in structure. Even the biggest noob under my command could have known how to properly gank that Hookbill. However, without their Blackbird and ECM screen, they are nothing. When they come up against competent PvPers, they run and hide, and always will. They are just getting rich off of the work of the numerous lower members they have, nothing more.
You want to learn the basics of PvP? Join another corporation. They boast about being the premier alliance for learning in EvE, yet from what I have heard from many players, they don't actually teach anything. As was said earlier, no one should be safe from the Sandbox. Good job, CCP. You took one step forward with recent changes and decisions, only to take five-hundred steps back by taking away from PvP, legitimate or not.
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Stetson Hollander
Fool's Paradise
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:17:00 -
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Zerra Zeta wrote:Stetson Hollander wrote:Poetic Stanzitroll wrote:It's pretty clear.
Docking games are legitimate uses of in-game mechanics to avoid war targets.
Dec shields are illegitimate uses of in-games mechanics to avoid war targets.
I really don't understand the confusion? Its clearly evident that when it suits to hurt the uni your all for it. If however it hurts the "rights" of trolls greifers and asshats its perfectly ok. Work for Fox news they need people as bitter and full of their own spiteful vendettas , at least then you could make some money at it. Why isn't there a downvote button? Hearing about how teenagers hate the 'media' as portrayed on their comedy central news programs hurts my head.
media thats laughable. what rock did you crawl out from ? its clearly evident that Fox news is not fair and balanced.
if it walks like a duck quacks like a duck ....
poetic is the same process, propaganda for bitter vendettas . fairly imballanced . |
Kengutsi Akira
34
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:24:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:There are two CSMs in this game. The one that the players voted for. And EVE University. The recent wardec policy changes are proof of EVE University, via Kelduum Revaan, being the other de facto CSM. CCP caters to their needs, without any oversight by the players. They've become a carebear haven. They are now effectively impossible to wardec. CCP gave them, in essence, a PvP flag. They can turn it on or off at their whim. Their decshield is 19 corporations strong, and they've been allowed to use an exploit to avoid the CONCORD costs of that decshield. The only single danger left for them is the suicide gank. Any other method of PvP against them is fruitless.
well yeah, CCP have stated that the Goons' manner of exploiting CONCORD is allowed, why not give the carebears allowed exploits too?
An hell, the chairman of the CSM is trying to break the game... why dont ppl want to out him too? lol |
Lovelocke
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:24:00 -
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More tears about the uni haha love it. I love how griefers use "legitimate" mechanics which happen to help them, such as neut RR etc, but as soon as their targets use a legitimate mechanic they cry more tears than they've ever collected!
Oh and Poetic, can't really say much more. Kinda thought you would be letting your hardon die down and move on. Obviously not. I'm personally all for every single advantage given to e-uni because they actually do a hell of a lot for the game and all of you faggots filling the thread with tears; what the **** have you done for the game? Exactly, now stfu and do one. |
Azelor Delaria
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:25:00 -
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Lovelocke wrote:More tears about the uni haha love it. I love how griefers use "legitimate" mechanics which happen to help them, such as neut RR etc, but as soon as their targets use a legitimate mechanic they cry more tears than they've ever collected!
Oh and Poetic, can't really say much more. Kinda thought you would be letting your hardon die down and move on. Obviously not. I'm personally all for every single advantage given to e-uni because they actually do a hell of a lot for the game and all of you faggots filling the thread with tears; what the **** have you done for the game? Exactly, now stfu and do one.
That's just it...it wasn't a legit mechanic. It was, and should by all rights, still be considered an exploit.
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Kengutsi Akira
34
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:29:00 -
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Azelor Delaria wrote:Lovelocke wrote:More tears about the uni haha love it. I love how griefers use "legitimate" mechanics which happen to help them, such as neut RR etc, but as soon as their targets use a legitimate mechanic they cry more tears than they've ever collected!
Oh and Poetic, can't really say much more. Kinda thought you would be letting your hardon die down and move on. Obviously not. I'm personally all for every single advantage given to e-uni because they actually do a hell of a lot for the game and all of you faggots filling the thread with tears; what the **** have you done for the game? Exactly, now stfu and do one. That's just it...it wasn't a legit mechanic. It was, and should by all rights, still be considered an exploit.
like kiting CONCORD?
Quote:Cleaning up your own CONCORD spawn, so other people can make their own attack runs, is actually really easy. Dock at the closest station to the belt you just ganked in, then immediately undock in a newbie ship and don't move - simply drift for 30 seconds with your docking immunity. This will pull CONCORD to you, and since you have your docking immunity sentry guns will not kill you before CONCORD gets there. If multiple people participated in a gank, they should all do this at the same time.
Quote:Sometimes clever pubbies, or lazy goons, will leave a spawn in a belt. You need to get rid of that before you gank, or you'll be instagibbed when you gank (unless you're in a Galtpest).
Concord usually only spawns one fleet per system. Concord, once spawned, will travel from place to place dealing with anything that shoots something they shouldn't. That means you just need to summon CONCORD somewhere else: take a newbieship in an alt and plink something - a GSC, or the staging pos. Just don't do it near faction police or sentry guns, so you don't die before CONCORD gets there.
If two people gank at once, however, there will be two fleets. It appears that the closest spawn is the one that moves: ergo get closer to the spawn you want to move (nearby belt, nearby pos, whatever) than the one you don't, then summon it. If all else fails, use safespots just off-grid. Don't worry about CONCORD being close: they take a flat 6 seconds to warp regardless of distance.
yeah cause thats not exploiting game mechanics at all
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Zerra Zeta
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:37:00 -
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Stetson Hollander wrote:Zerra Zeta wrote:Stetson Hollander wrote:Poetic Stanzitroll wrote:It's pretty clear.
Docking games are legitimate uses of in-game mechanics to avoid war targets.
Dec shields are illegitimate uses of in-games mechanics to avoid war targets.
I really don't understand the confusion? Its clearly evident that when it suits to hurt the uni your all for it. If however it hurts the "rights" of trolls greifers and asshats its perfectly ok. Work for Fox news they need people as bitter and full of their own spiteful vendettas , at least then you could make some money at it. Why isn't there a downvote button? Hearing about how teenagers hate the 'media' as portrayed on their comedy central news programs hurts my head. media thats laughable. what rock did you crawl out from ? its clearly evident that Fox news is not fair and balanced. if it walks like a duck quacks like a duck .... poetic is the same process, propaganda for bitter vendettas . fairly imballanced .
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