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rodyas
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.14 12:25:00 -
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So recently a company charged my credit card, everytime someone purchased from their store. I found out about and called them up. They said they would of course refund my money and I could get likea few free deliveries from them as well.
Worked in food services before, so I knew this was standard and from him talking could tell most likely they would.
But I have been scammed a few times in eve and usually dont believe it when I see a real contract in eve anymore.
So I realized I dont realy trust him as much as I should. Eve has destroyed that natural trust thing I usually have had.
He propably will give my money back since its real life and not a video game, but who knows.
Was wondering if anyone else has had this problem before as well. Like before going into work or at a meeting. Like thought of a recent scam from eve, then looked at that person, and said to themselves can I really trust this guy. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
61
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Posted - 2011.10.14 12:28:00 -
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rodyas wrote:So recently a company charged my credit card, everytime someone purchased from their store. I found out about and called them up. They said they would of course refund my money and I could get likea few free deliveries from them as well.
Worked in food services before, so I knew this was standard and from him talking could tell most likely they would.
But I have been scammed a few times in eve and usually dont believe it when I see a real contract in eve anymore.
So I realized I dont realy trust him as much as I should. Eve has destroyed that natural trust thing I usually have had.
He propably will give my money back since its real life and not a video game, but who knows.
Was wondering if anyone else has had this problem before as well. Like before going into work or at a meeting. Like thought of a recent scam from eve, then looked at that person, and said to themselves can I really trust this guy.
i'd still order a new credit card just to be sure. |
Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 12:29:00 -
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True, i started eve like 3 years ago, i noticed 2 years ago, that i am getting paranoid and really carefull when it comes to contracts with my business partners and customers. and i am not talking about normal carefull, i am talking about extra carefull and having my lawyer with me for everything.
Same applies to private stuff, like buying a car, dating a girl....
eve ruind my psychological stability! ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
407
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Posted - 2011.10.14 12:32:00 -
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Not really, it's an accepted part of the game and has no bearing on the accountability of people in real life. I am however naturally suspicious, but it's not made any worse by the existence of scammers in Eve. GÖÑ Haviing your portrait painted here helps INTAKI Disabled Children GÖÑ |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
24
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Posted - 2011.10.14 12:33:00 -
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So you're saying that EvE helped you grow up? |
rodyas
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.14 12:47:00 -
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Maybe a bit of growing up, havnt played too long though. After two years of this, mature will go on my application for sure. |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.10.14 12:56:00 -
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Usually I look at contracts (or even market orders) very carefully in EVE. I've done something stupid only once but most scams are pretty straightforward.
Never noticed that it changed my RL attitude towards online shops or even eBay-like transactions. |
March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
8
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Posted - 2011.10.14 13:05:00 -
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Well. Eve does not heavily differ from real life. I mean in social aspect.
Being in high-sec space is like in the middle of a town. There is police but you can get killed or robbed. And some time police cannot help at all. Being in low-sec is like poor parts of a town. Police is somewhere far away and you should be careful. Being in zero-sec.... Well. You can imagine where you can find it.
Business in Eve is like in RL. You don't give your personal data/stuff/money to person you don't know well. Every contract is signed and protected by regional/local/country laws and lawyer. And you have chance to protect yourself with help of your authorities.
In Eve there is no such protection mechanics and you should be more careful. This is all. But in Eve you can't got killed. You only can start from zero. While in RL you can get it occasionally.
I don't see how being Eve player you get paranoia or some kind of psychology problems =) |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
83
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Posted - 2011.10.14 13:14:00 -
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personally I'd nail the ******* to the wall, no matter what they offer you.
every time someone bought something from the store it charged YOUR card?
Call the credit card comapny and the merchants processor. they are obviously NOT pci compliant and just storing your info is a huge risk because they clearly have no clue what they are doing.
seriously, deal with it through official channels before you get a bill in the mail for the mortgage on your new house, that you never know you bought
dead serious, don't let boneheads ruin your name and finances The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.14 13:14:00 -
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I'd have this problem, but only if I was buying stuff in a place named Jita. As luck has it, I've never been to a rl place named Jita yet. |
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.14 13:59:00 -
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Yeah EVE online has affected me as well.
The other day i saw a man digging up his garden and he had a lot of dirt in a wheelbarrow. When he was not looking i ran over and tipped all the dirt my own wheelbarrow that looked just like his.
I hid around the corner holding a shovel waiting for him to come back. |
Zagam
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
169
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:02:00 -
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Fastest way to avoid scams in both RL and in EVE...
"If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" |
Lord Ryan
Derailleurs
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:03:00 -
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He might have apoint. I used to like people and be quite social. Manners are pretty in important to me in real life, so I might not like you for long. But eveyone had a chance. Now I just assume everyone is an asshat untill proven wrong. Maybe I just grew up like that one guy said or maybe I've been playing Eve for +3 years. -á
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Deopheel Dalonne
Dalonne Smelting and Fabrication
15
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:11:00 -
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rodyas wrote:So recently a company charged my credit card, everytime someone purchased from their store. I found out about and called them up. They said they would of course refund my money and I could get likea few free deliveries from them as well.
Worked in food services before, so I knew this was standard and from him talking could tell most likely they would.
But I have been scammed a few times in eve and usually dont believe it when I see a real contract in eve anymore.
So I realized I dont realy trust him as much as I should. Eve has destroyed that natural trust thing I usually have had.
He propably will give my money back since its real life and not a video game, but who knows.
Was wondering if anyone else has had this problem before as well. Like before going into work or at a meeting. Like thought of a recent scam from eve, then looked at that person, and said to themselves can I really trust this guy. What you are saying is that playing EvE has destroyed in you what makes our real life possible: implicit trust.
Tribal societies do not have implicit trust. By default, the position is: do not trust anyone who is not of your immediate family or clan.
Our modern society relies on the opposite position: by default, trust people and then start to distrust them only if you have material proof that they were dishonest. The massive increase in quality of life that we have experienced over the past 3 centuries entirely depends on that.
Where does that put EvE ? |
Lord Ryan
Derailleurs
40
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:13:00 -
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Morganta wrote:personally I'd nail the ******* to the wall, no matter what they offer you.
every time someone bought something from the store it charged YOUR card?
Call the credit card comapny and the merchants processor. they are obviously NOT pci compliant and just storing your info is a huge risk because they clearly have no clue what they are doing.
seriously, deal with it through official channels before you get a bill in the mail for the mortgage on your new house, that you never know you bought
dead serious, don't let boneheads ruin your name and finances
Happened to me, sort of. I(Lord Ryan, yeah that's my RL name too) tryed to open a bank account in Ohio, couldn't because I(Shelia Smith or something) haven't been paying the mortgage for the house I(Shelia Smith) bought in Florida. Do I look like a F@#kin Shelia Smith
I did track Shelia Smith down and cleared everything up, but it took a couple day and it was a hassle. -á
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:13:00 -
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Jokerface666 wrote:[...] dating a girl....
Be carful. Maybe she's a spy and only wants acces to your stuff! |
Lord Ryan
Derailleurs
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:19:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Jokerface666 wrote:[...] dating a girl.... Be carful. Maybe she's a spy and only wants acces to your stuff!
Because I'm in a sharing modd today. I got one for that too. It couldn't have been more than a couple weeks before we got married my wife ask me to sign a prenupt. Nothing makes you feel more like a cheap wh*re than signing a prenupt! -á
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:30:00 -
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I don't trust anyone when it comes to money, or verbal promises. However that comes from other things than EVE Online or other games. Keep in mind that everyone here role plays a bit. They don't all run around and think they're really space ship pilots or anything, but in a game like this you take on a persona that's not necessarily who you are in real life. Granted, it can be who you'd like to be in real life. But if you meet players in real life at Fanfest or player gatherings and such, the guy who smack talks worse than anyone else in game or the guy who scammed people out of a billion ISK will usually turn out to be a quite friendly person. Some wont of course but that's life.
So in short, EVE Online shouldn't make you distrust people more than is healthy anyway. But never trust anyone in EVE, ever. Wrangler Community Team Manager - Community Arch Wizard
Although personally I am quite content with existing explosives, I feel we must not stand in the path of improvement. - Winston Churchill |
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Zagam
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
169
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:33:00 -
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CCP Wrangler wrote:So in short, EVE Online shouldn't make you distrust people more than is healthy anyway. But never trust anyone in EVE, ever.
Especially people with vowels or consonants in their name.
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Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:34:00 -
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Lord Ryan wrote:Noriko Mai wrote:Jokerface666 wrote:[...] dating a girl.... Be carful. Maybe she's a spy and only wants acces to your stuff! Because I'm in a sharing modd today. I got one for that too. It couldn't have been more than a couple weeks before we got married my wife ask me to sign a prenupt. Nothing makes you feel more like a cheap wh*re than signing a prenupt!
Sign the prenupt, get rich, smile. |
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Handsome Hussein
26
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Posted - 2011.10.14 15:10:00 -
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I'm with Morganta, nail the ******* to the wall. That's a horrible way to handle other people's money and trust. Your suspicion is entirely natural in this case. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
48
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Posted - 2011.10.14 15:15:00 -
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CCP Wrangler wrote:I don't trust anyone when it comes to money, or verbal promises. However that comes from other things than EVE Online or other games. Keep in mind that everyone here role plays a bit. They don't all run around and think they're really space ship pilots or anything, but in a game like this you take on a persona that's not necessarily who you are in real life. Granted, it can be who you'd like to be in real life. But if you meet players in real life at Fanfest or player gatherings and such, the guy who smack talks worse than anyone else in game or the guy who scammed people out of a billion ISK will usually turn out to be a quite friendly person. Some wont of course but that's life. So in short, EVE Online shouldn't make you distrust people more than is healthy anyway. But never trust anyone in EVE, ever.
Sometimes I like to play this strange game were we are simple regular people living on Earth 23000 years ago. It's easy to get into, just CTRL-Q and you are there.
What I learned from Eve is NOT to have distrust, but HOW to have distrust.
There is a very very big difference. And from relationships to business, the inability to regulate trust and suspicion is a cause of much sorrow in the world.
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Barakkus
814
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Posted - 2011.10.14 15:24:00 -
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In regards to your CC problem, you need to keep that number valid until all the refunds are processed, then you need to get a new CC number.
If you are using credit cards/debit cards for purchases on the internet, you absolutely should get your numbers changed every other year or so, if not more often. A lot of financial institutions offer temporary numbers now for online purchases. The amount of credit card information stolen annually from companies processing online transactions is staggering. No matter how large the institution, it will happen, and you should be taking preventative steps to avoid that kind of stuff yourself.
I limit my online transactions to 1 or 2 cards and get a new number once a year or once every other year. It's a good practice to get in the habit of. |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
5
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Posted - 2011.10.14 15:32:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Eve has destroyed that natural trust thing I usually have had.
From the tone of your post I take you consider that as a negative development. Trust me it isn't, you're finally growing up.
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Lord Ryan
Derailleurs
40
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Posted - 2011.10.14 15:32:00 -
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CCP Wrangler wrote:I don't trust anyone when it comes to money, or verbal promises. However that comes from other things than EVE Online or other games. Keep in mind that everyone here role plays a bit. They don't all run around and think they're really space ship pilots or anything, but in a game like this you take on a persona that's not necessarily who you are in real life. Granted, it can be who you'd like to be in real life. But if you meet players in real life at Fanfest or player gatherings and such, the guy who smack talks worse than anyone else in game or the guy who scammed people out of a billion ISK will usually turn out to be a quite friendly person. Some wont of course but that's life. So in short, EVE Online shouldn't make you distrust people more than is healthy anyway. But never trust anyone in EVE, ever.
Used to be part of a large Myspace Star Wars group, met some of the members at CIV in LA. If I could have took a picture of their faces! You know they expected obnoxious neckbeard. One guy actually logged in to tell everyone how nice I was, kind of ruined my image. For the most part they were a bit more normal than I expected too.
CIV is something like fanfest. Probably wouldn't do it again, was pretty much just a really expensive shopping trip. Really expensive shopping! I had to ship so much crap back home after I filled my suit cases. -á
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
RAW23
B And H Drive Yards
19
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:35:00 -
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Eve has caused me to re-evaluate certain areas of my views on political philosophy but hasn't really had any impact on my views about people in society as it currently is. My political views lean towards anarcho-libertarianism, so the ideal state for me is one in which there is no formal governing structures and certainly no formal legal system or police. I know that this will end up being a messy and/or dangerous place to live but I'm more than willing to swap neatness and security for genuine liberty.
My views have solidified over the years partly due to reflection on the thought of a controversial American philosopher by the name of Leo Strauss. Strauss thinks that Western liberal democracy has an inevitable tendency towards 'descending' into anarchy but he also thinks that the inevitable next step from anarchy is tyranny. Out of the bloody chaos will arise nihilistic tyrants who will secure their positions both by brute force and by offering the safety and community that people will crave. His primary example for this whole trend of the decandence of liberalism leading to nihilistic tyranny is the fall of Weimar Germany and the rise of the *****. Now, details aside, I think his analysis has a lot going for it but I disagree with him on one key point. Strauss thinks that humans simply cannot, in general, be trusted to not **** each other over (and especially to not **** over the intellectuals - Strauss' own tribe). As such, he thinks the way to avoid the terrible consequences is to ensure that liberal democracies are controlled from behind the scenes by an intellectuall elite who will propagate various codes of conduct and ethics that will not be true but which the masses will take to be true, thus mitigating the dangers of giving them free rein.
Like Strauss, I don't believe in any objectively real values but I don't think his picture pans out fully because I also don't think that humans need fake values in order to not slaughter each other viciously. So, to summarise, Strauss and I both think that there are no real values but we disagree about how we think people would handle that realisation. Strauss thinks that genuine understanding of this shocking truth would unleash the worst actions mankind has to offer whereas I think that, in general, this realisation is a necessary one for human development and I trust humanity as a whole to get on with things in the absence of divine or state-mandated rules.
Obviously, playing eve was a bit of a wake-up call on that front.
Whilst I still have a general trust for the rest of humanity I must admit to having become rather more nervous about the initial results of removing morals and the legal system at the same time. I have been surprised by how many people in eve lack empathy for their fellows and relish causing them pain and discomfort, even when there is no direct benefit for themselves. Of course, the setup in eve amplifies any such tendencies and the player base is also narrow and self-selecting. But even so, I have to admit to being a little less comfortable with my views on liberty and values and a little more sympathetic to some of Strauss' fears. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
69
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Posted - 2011.10.14 17:34:00 -
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I think you need to study some Buddhism.
It will pass. Nothing is permanent. Release.
It's just money. Money is just time. And your time is yours to spend.
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance
50
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Posted - 2011.10.14 17:39:00 -
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Zagam wrote:CCP Wrangler wrote:So in short, EVE Online shouldn't make you distrust people more than is healthy anyway. But never trust anyone in EVE, ever. Especially people with vowels or consonants in their name.
numbers are cool? |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
3
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Posted - 2011.10.14 17:41:00 -
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I find that the people who accept scam contracts in EVE are the same type of people who would take a loan out from a bank without looking at the fine print.
You can blame trust all you want, but I think I.Q has more to do with it. |
Zagam
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
177
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Posted - 2011.10.14 18:27:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Zagam wrote:CCP Wrangler wrote:So in short, EVE Online shouldn't make you distrust people more than is healthy anyway. But never trust anyone in EVE, ever. Especially people with vowels or consonants in their name. numbers are cool? Numbers are ok. But if your name is made entirely of numbers, you have other more significant issues.
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