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Sinigr Shadowsong
War Tactical Groups SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2013.03.14 20:08:00 -
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Phoenix could take it's own unique niche if it used a large amount of BS-sized missile launchers. It wouldn't even be overpowered because torps can't even hit BS for a full damage projection. |
Uncle Gagarin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.03.14 22:31:00 -
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There was a little red devil whispering something into my ear. He said: replace citadel torps on Phoenix by bomb launchers and let that ship be only one able to use them in LS ...
That little creature is still giggling ;)
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Vayn Baxtor
Community for Justice R O G U E
42
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Posted - 2013.03.14 23:59:00 -
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Grunnax Aurelius wrote:Vayn Baxtor wrote://Rifter stuff TBH i want to see the Rifter go a Split Weapon ship, haave bonuses for projectile turrets and rockets/light missiles being a 2/2 weapon fit for the highs and either move a low slot to the mid or a mid slot to the low, but thats just me, i want a baby phoon :P
Yeah, I saw that in another thread too, and would also love to see that.
It would really give the Rifter some fangs. I suggested to take away some HP from Rifter, so it is balanced, although it being a "brawler" with such setup could make it stand out more as Minmatar's frigate workhorse again.
Such a change would also demand the other combat frigates of its class to receive further adjustments and additions, which is imo a Win-Win.
So if one could tie
Projectile + Missile bonuses with Something like 4/2/4 and leave the tackling for Slasher and other ships, I think it would work out.
Though I'd love to see a 5 Lowslot variant, but this is where things go too far.
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Quote:How about giving the rifter an optimal range bonus and he fittings to use arties? ^^
I like arties =<
I like arties too, but is that a real gain for the Rifter to get out of the misery bracket? :D I'm not denouncing your suggestion, just not sure if it would really be the right solution to go for. Especially with Thrashers being the more appropriate small arty platform.
This is somewhat also the issue about Wolf and Arties. People certainly had flown Wolf/Wolves with Arty, but there was always the aspect of "Why fly that when the Thrasher is so much better with arty + optimal range bonus". Again, I'm not against the idea ,but it would clash against Thrasher destroyer.
For what it's worth...
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Going bizarro I think with such bonuses, we'd actually have to see some sort of 5 Highslot variant of the Rifter -¦--¦. You know, so it can stand out as such...
quietly whispers..."CCP, heavy frigates... think about it!" :D Anways, talking too much about Rifter.
Let's see what I or we cancome up with for the other frigates. Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all. |
Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
111
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Posted - 2013.03.15 05:16:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Sinzor Aumer wrote:IMO, the only good way to fix citadel torps is to give them back their AOE damage. Not sure if it's technically feasible, especially for application in low-sec space. But if it is, that could be the worst nerf ever to slow-cat doctrine and even for supercarriers. And of course, all Naglfar pilots would bite their elbows missing that opportunities. Fun idea! Only problem is that you'd have to make citadel torps immune to their splash damage, otherwise the incoming volleys would just get blown up on their way in... There is a good working mechanics with bombs (launched by stealth bombers). Each type of bombs has 99.5% resist to its own type of damage.
And in case you didnt know, original citadel torps were AOE weapon [prooflink]. But they were unbalanced, so CCP decided to fix that with the easiest (and the worst) kind of treatment - by removing them. But hopefully, my friends, we shall see swarms of doom torpedos again! And with that, we'd witness the Phoenix... REBORN! :hardstyle: |
Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
212
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Posted - 2013.03.15 05:20:00 -
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Its good to see that the Naglfar is getting a fix. Sure it loses 2 hi slots, but it benefits from having 2 guns do the same as 3 on the other dreads. Meaning you don't need to buy as many guns and you use less ammo.
Now if they fixed the awful capital missiles that can be speed tanked by even a titan.
The revelation could use a buff that will put it on par with the other dreads.
What's even better is that fact that you are coming back to rebalancing ships, instead of the typical balance and forget for 2 years. |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2013.03.15 08:14:00 -
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Tub Chil wrote:Would it be a good idea to give rifter damage + rof bonus, so that it follows same path as rupture/cane/tempest? Small autos track pretty well already.
it's just sad that the best frigate is one of the worst now (together with punisher and tormentor) I think that would be a nice start, plus a bit more fitting, its damn hard to fit that high utility slot right now |
Mr Hyde113
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
7
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Posted - 2013.03.15 14:35:00 -
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I like the proposed Nag change.
nextGäó
The Rev & The Pheonix and/or Capital Lasers & Capital Missiles need some love. |
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
13
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Posted - 2013.03.15 14:52:00 -
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Thought I'd add my 2c to fixing the rifter. My experience is mainly ab frig 1v1. The ac rifter isn't far behind blaster Merlin or Incursus. Some defence stat changes should be enough to match the blaster boats and maybe a slight cpu buff to help some rifters fit better tackle.
While I wouldn't mind a different second bonus for variety, I think it would just make balancing difficult.
Neug
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Lindsay McDermott
McDermott Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.03.15 15:41:00 -
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I love the fact that your making the tristan a little faster, i guess ill have to start calling mine chubby instead of fatty
Rifter does need some love, i dont fly them but they seem to be wildly unpopular now.
Back to the tristan, Is there anyway to remove the tracking bonus from it (eith for drones or guns) and give it a drone speed bonus?
I dont think it would be terribly overpowerd since its still not a drone dmg bonus. Most fits seem to use blasters anyway so the gun tracking is a non issue. I also have no idea what type effect the drone tracking bonus has, I haven't seen anything that shows it helps.
But it would put it in line with the gal drone boat chain making it a pure drone ship. tristan -> algos -> vexor -> myrm -> domi
It would also help with the 3km+ speed kiters though i dont think its going to do much.
Something like: TRISTAN: Gallente Frigate bonuses: +5% to Drone mwd speed and +10% to drone tracking and hitpoints per level Slot layout: 3H, 3M, 3L; 2 turrets, 0 launchers Fittings: 35 PWG, 130 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull): 350 / 450 / 650 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 350 / 175 s / 2 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 325 (+15) / 3.44 / 956000 (-150000) / 3.08 s (-0.48) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 40 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 40km / 600 / 5 Sensor strength: 9 Magnetometric Signature radius: 41 |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Fade 2 Black
379
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Posted - 2013.03.15 16:54:00 -
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Nice!
When will we have the industrials revamp? i'm curious to see your ideas CCP! Please read this! > New POS system (Block Built) Please read this! > Refining and Reprocess Revamp |
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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.15 17:14:00 -
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Alx Warlord wrote:Nice!
When will we have the industrials revamp? i'm curious to see your ideas CCP! 2015 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Lidia Caderu
Cobalt Academy Cobalt..
0
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:32:00 -
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Tristan really needs more CPU, simply its not enough CPU to equip it like droneboat with some drone upgrade modules |
Lidia Caderu
Cobalt Academy Cobalt..
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:41:00 -
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Lindsay McDermott wrote:Something like: TRISTAN: Gallente Frigate bonuses: +5% to Drone mwd speed and +10% to drone tracking and hitpoints per level
then its better to have: Gallente Frigate bonuses: +10% drone tracking, damage, +5 to orbit speed, inertia, agility,
together with Omnidirectional tracking link and drone speed module it would be a real killer for different stiletos and slashers
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
655
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Posted - 2013.03.16 12:04:00 -
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Lidia Caderu wrote:Lindsay McDermott wrote:Something like: TRISTAN: Gallente Frigate bonuses: +5% to Drone mwd speed and +10% to drone tracking and hitpoints per level then its better to have: Gallente Frigate bonuses: +10% drone tracking, damage, +5 to orbit speed, inertia, agility, together with Omnidirectional tracking link and drone speed module it would be a real killer for different stiletos and slashers
I think drone weapon range would be about 100 times more useful than drone tracking. Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
253
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Posted - 2013.03.16 13:05:00 -
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Fozzie, while You took time to look at "The Flying POS", what about the Phoenix?? its even more useless than minmatar dread.
Citadel missiles deals very little damage even to painted targets, making DPS a fraction of even naglfar (not to mention moros or revelation) Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
525
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Posted - 2013.03.16 14:06:00 -
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Lidia Caderu wrote:Tristan really needs more CPU, simply its not enough CPU to equip it like droneboat with some drone upgrade modules
That's the point, they don't want to make it overpowered. Do you really want a new "Rifter King"? |
Rixt
NorthWest Russian Corp Proxima Centauri Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.03.17 05:18:00 -
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ccp, do you know, that naglfar now is one of the best dread's? why are you balancing it instead capital turrets? again matar ships will the best? |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2013.03.17 06:51:00 -
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Wasnt the BS rebalancing supposed to come for the summer as well?
So far i just see some minor frig changes that probably wont change anything, 1 dread rebalanced in a very lazy way, and some facion frig change.
Is that all? |
Hakan MacTrew
Caledonian Light Industries Sick N' Twisted
410
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Posted - 2013.03.17 08:18:00 -
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To mare wrote:Wasnt the BS rebalancing supposed to come for the summer as well?
So far i just see some minor frig changes that probably wont change anything, 1 dread rebalanced in a very lazy way, and some facion frig change.
Is that all? Look at how much rebalancing came with Retribution 1.0! It wasn't all announced at the same time. We were promised BS's Command ships, tier 3 BC's and a POS tweek. All of this is supposed to be coming in an Expansion comparable to Apocrypha.
Considering the reduced timeline because of restructuring, that doesn't strike me as a 'small' amount of work to do. They have shown is bits of whats coming. Given how 'long term' EvE is, I expected it's players to have a modicum of patience. MODULAR DRONES
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To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2013.03.18 06:20:00 -
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Hakan MacTrew wrote:To mare wrote:Wasnt the BS rebalancing supposed to come for the summer as well?
So far i just see some minor frig changes that probably wont change anything, 1 dread rebalanced in a very lazy way, and some facion frig change.
Is that all? Look at how much rebalancing came with Retribution 1.0! It wasn't all announced at the same time. We were promised BS's Command ships, tier 3 BC's and a POS tweek. All of this is supposed to be coming in an Expansion comparable to Apocrypha. Considering the reduced timeline because of restructuring, that doesn't strike me as a 'small' amount of work to do. They have shown is bits of whats coming. Given how 'long term' EvE is, I expected it's players to have a modicum of patience.
Apocrypha? Maybe i missed something, but are tehy adding new contents to the game in the upcomin expansion? |
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Hakan MacTrew
Caledonian Light Industries Sick N' Twisted
416
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:01:00 -
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To mare wrote:Apocrypha? Maybe i missed something, but are tehy adding new contents to the game in the upcomin expansion? That's the impression I got from reading the CSM minutes and the various dev blogs on how they intend to structure expansions from now on.
Maybe that will be for the winter expansion if they don't have time now, but in principal they have stated that:
- Each new expansion should endeavour to be like Apocrypha, (New exploration, Industry, Ships, PvP, PvE - all tied together by a solid storyline.) - New content which is iterated upon over approximately a 2 year period - There should be something for everyone in the expansion and it should touch on many areas and improve them.
There was a suggestion thread a while back for the upcoming theme. I suggested the return of the Jove, but dome of the other suggestions were damn good too. It's buried in Jita park somewhere I think. The CSM know, I'm sure, but I also imagine the NDA has them by the short and curlies... MODULAR DRONES
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
665
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:51:00 -
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Also about the Tormentor, i think it needs cpu more than PG
No matter how i try to fit it i always run into a CPU wall.. (Also small beams really really really need more off a buff.. ) Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Aristash
Xenobytes Stain Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:53:00 -
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Another "we doing nothing, coz we doing nothing"!!!
2 indian programmers can do all your job in one week. all your job after apocripha is nothing, just moving sliders in eve-redactor.
fly safe ccp, soon your eve will be sony entertainment fo fo fo |
Lidia Caderu
Cobalt Academy Cobalt..
0
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:46:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Lidia Caderu wrote:Tristan really needs more CPU, simply its not enough CPU to equip it like droneboat with some drone upgrade modules That's the point, they don't want to make it overpowered. Do you really want a new "Rifter King"? +20 CPU that it really needs wouldn't do a Rifter king from Tristan. Or at least reduce a bit cpu requirements for drone upgrade modules. |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:59:00 -
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Lidia Caderu wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Lidia Caderu wrote:Tristan really needs more CPU, simply its not enough CPU to equip it like droneboat with some drone upgrade modules That's the point, they don't want to make it overpowered. Do you really want a new "Rifter King"? +20 CPU that it really needs wouldn't do a Rifter king from Tristan. Or at least reduce a bit cpu requirements for drone upgrade modules.
Drone modules in general require far too much cpu compared too how much cpu they put on droneboats |
Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
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Posted - 2013.03.18 16:54:00 -
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Didn't see this topic lol :)
Already wrote about merlin lockrange and incursus vs rifter comparison in the topic about navy frigs. |
Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
212
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:46:00 -
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I agreed with many posts saying Capital missiles are garbage.
A phoenix in siege mode is really crap against even capitals.
A moving titan can speed tank the citadel torpedoes.
That's how bad it is.
Seriously 12 m/s exp velocity is a joke. |
Vayn Baxtor
Community for Justice R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.03.19 00:29:00 -
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Captain Nares wrote:Didn't see this topic lol :)
Already wrote about merlin lockrange and incursus vs rifter comparison in the topic about navy frigs.
I'd reiterate/copypasta it here too. Would like to see it, so you have my official request. :D Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
4506
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Posted - 2013.03.19 11:39:00 -
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Good morning guys, as always thanks for the feedback and comments. I'm going to go over a few questions from the thread so far and then I have one small update to the plan.
Why are we talking about the Nag but not the problems with citadel missiles? This change obviously does not fix all the dreadnaught balance, and we have never claimed that it does. Citadel missiles are much more limited in application than capital turrets, and that is a problem that we do intend to solve. However this Nag change is what we have ready to announce at this very moment.
Does this Nag change mean that your artists are all lazy? No, it just means that we are endeavoring to make best use of the time we have available. Our art team has numerous requests for updates and new assets for each expansion, as well as their schedule for updating ship models into improved versions. They are over there making cool stuff for you all, believe me.
Ok ok, I will admit that CCP BunnyVirus is pretty lazy, but the rest of the team works really hard.
Why give the Tormentor more grid? Wouldn't CPU be more valuable? Yes indeed. A CPU increase would have been a bigger buff to the Tormentor than the +1 PWG is. However we are using the mass change as the main method of helping the Tormentor with this plan, and the +1 grid is primarily a small change to help make the common SAR+200mm and Focused Pulses setup less reliant on the Advanced Weapon Upgrades skill for newer players.
Why does the Merlin have so much lockrange? (originally from the other thread) In this case the lockrange advantage of the Merlin and Kestrel was not designed primarily to help with long range weapons (although that's a big plus for the Kestrel) but because we tend to build lockrange advantages into the Caldari race as part of their racial flavour and to help them counter their enemy ewar (sensor damps). The fact that those two ships are a bit more resistant to damps is not an accident. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
4506
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Posted - 2013.03.19 11:43:00 -
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And for the quick update to the plan, we are looking at adding 1 Powergrid to the Rifter in this pass. Let us know what you think. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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