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Stray Bullets
Perkone Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.03.16 12:52:00 -
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Cpt Bogus wrote:Personally, I like it when companies aren't afraid to use BT distribution. The IP address thing is a valid concern but as others have said anyone determined to get players' IPs already has ways of doing this so it's kind of irrelevant.
What ways are that? I can see no way to get a list of IP addresses from people that are sure to be playing EVE without those people using either a third party forum of some sort or third party software. If you merely downloaded EVE and never posted in any related site or used any third party application, your IP address is never shown to the public in a context that relates you to EVE, thus being just another IP address and making it unlikely for targeted attacks. |
Stray Bullets
Perkone Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.03.16 13:00:00 -
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This feature needs to be off by default.
Posted this on another thread in GD, where the OP was basically saying that he wanted to control what used his bandwidth, as in, he could turn it off if he choose so.
Stray Bullets wrote:Even though it makes no difference to me personally, I do believe this needs to be set as OPT IN, as in, it's off by default. Why?
Because the OP does have a point where he does not have to share his own connection, regardless of protocol used or if everyone else in the industry is doing it or not. The why he doesn't want to share his bandwidth is irrelevant as he's paying for it, he decides where it's used and how.
If you do decide to opt in on the BT download, getting faster downloads, you also upload while doing so, which seems logic.
If CCP does go with BT and it actually eats up my upload in any way noticeable, I'll simply limit it's port to 0kb/s on the upload on my router.
TL;DR This needs to be OPTIONAL, with default being OFF! :)
Like I said, this should be OFF by default, with the option of turning it on for a better download performance along with the option to keep seeding.
After reading some of the other posts regarding security, and having the launcher basically connect to other piers, making my IP "public", the OFF by default makes ever more sense.
Regarding CCP having another medium on which to distribute the client, it's irrelevant to this discussion in my opinion, as it's not my responsibility to distribute their product. My bandwidth should be used only when I allowed it to be used and never used in a "by default" way. |
Dizirgee
UnaLaLuna Inc.
1
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Posted - 2013.03.16 13:58:00 -
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I'm for torrent launcher. As for people that have ISP that shape/block torrent trafic well try to change your provider. I mean by giving them your money you support they policy and thus make them think that thats what people want, no torrent trafic...
I also like that you put there option to keep seeding after download cause as I'm not greedy leecher I may want to go for at least 1:1 ratio. And what about full eve client installation ? If client launcher will be uploading only patch data how someone can download/install whole client? Will there be option like if I want to seed patch data only or whole client data?
edit: and yes torrent download should be ON by default (at least for patch data). |
Djana Libra
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
80
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Posted - 2013.03.16 15:00:00 -
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Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:a serious concern here in the US.
With CAS/Six Strikes rolled out, and obviously already claiming false positives on LEGAL files, how can i possibly be affected with EVE Online files essentially "Copyrighted material". I don't really want to start a political debate here, but politics in the US are veering towards the technophobe stage, if it hasn't already, and it is affecting P2P network traffic among other things.
Move to a civilized country?
Nah but really it should be no problem at all if the files aren't marked as copyright protected with a specific origin allowance |
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
213
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Posted - 2013.03.16 15:54:00 -
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If you are still worried, in 2013, by DDoS Attack and other kind of IP troublemaking, you should not be playing online games.
There are numerous easy way to protect yourself against those attack, the easiest one is : Reset you IP.
and as mentionned, you can set the upload speed yourself, so just set it to 0, and you wont share anything.
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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
547
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Posted - 2013.03.16 20:40:00 -
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Origin has a very small line written into its EULA that says origin to allow them to view any information on or bout your machine that they deem relevant and necessary. I feel as if the dev blog that C.C.P. released about the change to torrents.
Quote:by default the new EVE Launcher will only make you share the data required for installing the client
I am wondering what kind of oversight is happening to guarantee this? Many of C.C.P.'s customers are out of country. Except for England and the United States (where the company has a physical presence and maintains servers) it would be very difficult for other countries to prosecute C.C.P. as a company. It'd be even more difficult if it were a rouge Icelander. In some sense we're having to take C.C.P.'s "word for it." and it'd be comforting to make sure nothing bad happens.
Maybe i'm just a privacy freak and won't install software that takes information without my knowledge. Maybe if there was a way for us to track what's being taken.
Oh and about the EULA bit; by downloading and clicking play we "accept all terms of the EULA" and that we're informed and consented. I find it hard to express that i give my informed consent when i don't even know what's being taken. I feel as if C.C.P. should be very explicit what's being done.
Also a link to the dev blog CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
547
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Posted - 2013.03.16 20:44:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Oversight? Are you kidding.....
Some of us want to be very very careful of what can be data mined from the internet.
Also you'd just make something that can "look" at your customer's computers (random people across the internet) and then not look in to see that the guys running it aren't being shady? kinda ignorant CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
491
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Posted - 2013.03.16 20:47:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Oversight? Are you kidding..... Some of us want to be very very careful of what can be data mined from the internet.
I'm not arguing the point, I'm simply saying CCP isn't capable of fixing things that have been broken for years, expecting them to actually provide oversight, and security may be asking too much....
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13262
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Posted - 2013.03.16 20:59:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Quote:by default the new EVE Launcher will only make you share the data required for installing the client I am wondering what kind of oversight is happening to guarantee this? Just install a detailed bandwidth monitor and check if it's sharing tons of data after the download is complete.
Quote:Maybe i'm just a privacy freak and won't install software that takes information without my knowledge. It's not taking any information at all. It's making sure you're sharing the data you've already downloaded, because that's how the protocol works.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2931
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Posted - 2013.03.16 21:01:00 -
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If you try to avoid giving any data about you, you'll just make yourself look even more suspicious, because you obviously have to hide something.
Paranoia is bad, okay ? |
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Ai Shun
911
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Posted - 2013.03.16 21:06:00 -
[221] - Quote
Acac Sunflyier wrote:Some of us want to be very very careful of what can be data mined from the internet.
How do you avoid using search engines?
Malcanis for CSM7 - here Malcanis on High-sec - here |
iskflakes
355
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Posted - 2013.03.16 21:08:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Maybe i'm just a privacy freak and won't install software that takes information without my knowledge. Maybe if there was a way for us to track what's being taken.
CCP has said in the past they only take non-personally identifying information from your computer, e.g. computer specifications (graphics card, memory, processor, etc), computer name, operating system version, etc. This is probably done to let them work out what kind of hardware their customers have (no point in writing new graphics code that requires a graphics card 90% of users don't have), the data is probably also used to identify botters, though team security doesn't say anything obviously.
There is no way to monitor what is being sent so you'll have to take their word for it. If you don't like the idea that this information is being sent to CCP then don't play EVE :) - |
Wodensun
ZeroSec
66
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Posted - 2013.03.16 21:27:00 -
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just make a bloody capture of the network trafic with wireshark |
iskflakes
355
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Posted - 2013.03.16 21:36:00 -
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Wodensun wrote:just make a bloody capture of the network trafic with wireshark
It's against the EULA to decode the network traffic.. CCP already thought of that one :P - |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13262
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Posted - 2013.03.16 22:27:00 -
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Wodensun wrote:just make a bloody capture of the network trafic with wireshark GǪor just read the line in full and understand that no information is being shared anyway. Either way works. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Stray Bullets
Perkone Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.03.16 22:37:00 -
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Haven't seen a single point as to why this should be enabled by default.
Either CCP presents a valid point on why I have to share my bandwidth or I'm just blocking it's peer to peer outgoing traffic. I really don't care about faster download ... it's fast enough as it is. If it's for cutting costs on the expense of bandwidth I paid for personal use, then it's a simple no.
The issues this "feature" raises versus the advantages this presents to the user are completely crap. All the technical aspect of the new launcher can be achieved without using P2P. P2P is just convenient as it allows to shave some costs of publishing the end product. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13262
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Posted - 2013.03.16 23:29:00 -
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Stray Bullets wrote:Either CCP presents a valid point on why I have to share my bandwidth or I'm just blocking it's peer to peer outgoing traffic. I really don't care about faster download ... it's fast enough as it is. You don't have to. That said, are you paying by the byte? How much of your upstream are you using? Why don't you want people to get their patches quicker?
Quote:The issues this "feature" raises versus the advantages this presents to the user are completely crap. What issues are that? People getting your IP? Big whoop GÇö that's not an issue; it's just the internet.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
131
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Posted - 2013.03.17 00:05:00 -
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Dizirgee wrote:I'm for torrent launcher. As for people that have ISP that shape/block torrent trafic well try to change your provider. I mean by giving them your money you support they policy and thus make them think that thats what people want, no torrent trafic...
I also like that you put there option to keep seeding after download cause as I'm not greedy leecher I may want to go for at least 1:1 ratio. And what about full eve client installation ? If client launcher will be uploading only patch data how someone can download/install whole client? Will there be option like if I want to seed patch data only or whole client data?
edit: and yes torrent download should be ON by default (at least for patch data).
man you can't tell people to just change ISP's some people live in areas where there is only one available to them, not only that, what if the one they are with is very stable but does not allow torrent traffic and they are happy to keep them so they have a stable game playing enviroment. i feel safe knowing the software i download from CCP's servers is secure and can be in no way changed before i allow it onto my machine.
CCP need to give people a choice on this one, mine is still with off on torrents and sticking with the way i like and trust. |
Rammix
FreeWorkers HeII Gate Alliance
45
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Posted - 2013.03.17 01:40:00 -
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Hannott Thanos wrote:Am I the only one running several instances of eve from the same installation and launcher?? Or are we talking about running TQ and Sisi from the same launcher? I has confuse... For example, I run 3 clients and for 2 of them I use my second monitor with different screen size/resolution, and lowered graphics. So, sometimes you just have to copy eve client to use different settings. Btw, in my case (on linux), I don't copy the client and don't update them separately. Instead, I linked 2nd folder to the first and thus updating 'main' client also updates the 2nd. For windows there also must be some way to link folders. I just don't remember. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1219
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Posted - 2013.03.17 02:37:00 -
[230] - Quote
Rammix wrote:Hannott Thanos wrote:Am I the only one running several instances of eve from the same installation and launcher?? Or are we talking about running TQ and Sisi from the same launcher? I has confuse... For example, I run 3 clients and for 2 of them I use my second monitor with different screen size/resolution, and lowered graphics. So, sometimes you just have to copy eve client to use different settings. Btw, in my case (on linux), I don't copy the client and don't update them separately. Instead, I linked 2nd folder to the first and thus updating 'main' client also updates the 2nd. For windows there also must be some way to link folders. I just don't remember.
Pretty much the same way. It's called Junctioning, with windows. uses mklink
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Multiple_clients#Method_1_-_Junctions
Works well. Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
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The Baby-sitter
Vitriol Ventures Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2013.03.17 06:41:00 -
[231] - Quote
I am glad that you guys take interest in improvements at CCP. It kinda also hacked me off when actual features that aims to improved are simply ignored. CCP can give us Go/No-Go on suggestions.
Several threads over time have been lodged for:
Re-logging instead of Log-off and On. Such as this Monitor selection to avoid the settings menu click-fest, like this
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Stray Bullets
Perkone Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.03.17 09:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Stray Bullets wrote:Either CCP presents a valid point on why I have to share my bandwidth or I'm just blocking it's peer to peer outgoing traffic. I really don't care about faster download ... it's fast enough as it is. You don't have to. That said, are you paying by the byte? How much of your upstream are you using? Why don't you want people to get their patches quicker? Quote:The issues this "feature" raises versus the advantages this presents to the user are completely crap. What issues are that? People getting your IP? Big whoop GÇö that's not an issue; it's just the internet.
It's irrelevant if I'm paying by the bit, byte, megabyte, gigabyte. The point is, I'm paying for it. Is there any upside to this besides CCP getting it's distribution costs shaved off a bit?
I see no upside for me, the customer. They say better speed. I've never complained about the speed. It was never awesome, but it was never terrible.
So if their bandwidth is actually enough, why add the BT? It's not the technical part. You can have a distribution like the one they mentioned (only synchronizing the files that were changed) without BT. Hell, what they are basically doing is a SVN for the compiled files and wrapping it in a neat package for the customer.
I really don't need to argue on why I should allow my connection to be used. They should argue on how it's beneficial for me to allow it to be used. I only see a cost reduction for them with nothing relevant for me.
It's a win-win, for them. For me ... I just end up serving CCP and getting the same product in the end. |
Revenald Blackthorne
S.I.D.H.E. Corporation LLIC
2
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Posted - 2013.03.17 09:53:00 -
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Why don't you guys do something ground-breaking, game-changing before Steam (or Bungie) launch it? Being able to play EVE without "installation" and download waiting times, or on a tablet or smartphone with gesture virtualization?
http://vimeo.com/numecent/review/50801144/4d16521791
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Tribe O' Brute
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.17 10:22:00 -
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@CCP: My concern lies with Steam. Let there be user choice to use Steam (as it is now). If Steam becomes the only option for distributing EVE, I have to say EVE goodbye. I don't like to have their spyware on my PC and I don't like them controlling what I can and can't do with my software. I'm not a hacker or cheater but I know of reports of users tweaking one game and losing all the games they ever bought through steam. |
Tribe O' Brute
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.17 10:28:00 -
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Revenald Blackthorne wrote:Why don't you guys do something ground-breaking, game-changing before Steam (or Bungie) launch it? Being able to play EVE without "installation" and download waiting times, or on a tablet or smartphone with gesture virtualization? No downloads of updates required, ever? Shave your download/upload costs on app delivery by 95%? Shave MY download/upload costs by 95%? Here's a win-win: http://vimeo.com/numecent/review/50801144/4d16521791
This doesn't really work well for CCP for 2 reasons.
1) Long term data transfer would go up because of video transfer vs dry game data. 2) CCP has to pay for the game hardware. Calculations have to be made somewhere.
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Revenald Blackthorne
S.I.D.H.E. Corporation LLIC
2
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Posted - 2013.03.17 11:25:00 -
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Tribe O' Brute wrote:Revenald Blackthorne wrote: This doesn't really work well for CCP for 2 reasons. 1) Long term data transfer would go up because of video transfer vs dry game data. 2) CCP has to pay for the game hardware. Calculations have to be made somewhere.
1) You are making the forgivable mistake of thinking this is streaming. It isn't, hard as it may be to believe. Hence, an immense data transfer decrease (up to 95%). Your data is stored locally, and the app is run as if local, despite being parsed from the Cloud. Hence, the words "game changing" (pardon the pun) 2) This is a software solution. In fact, no hardware need be purchased at all. Additional in fact, because no streaming is involved, hardware utilization is 10x as effective.
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Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
357
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Posted - 2013.03.17 20:37:00 -
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Thank you CCP, I will be requesting a refund for my subscriptions. You know why? My college campus blocks ALL torrent packets unless they are encrypted(so their ****** filter system cannot detect them). So seeing how I won't be able to update...I believe I won't be able to play. I also don't think mine is the only campus with ridiculous filtering systems. They don't care if it's legitimate files or not, the entire protocol is filtered. Even IRC is filtered out. |
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
32
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Posted - 2013.03.17 21:07:00 -
[238] - Quote
Haven't experienced a single problem since you revamped the launcher. Wonder what other people are doing to cause these issues. Anyway, better investigate the validity of their complaints before making changes. Humans, their hardware and their software are more fallible then your launcher so don't try and fix what ain't broken.
Cheers,
Radius Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first. |
Barakach
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2013.03.18 01:56:00 -
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Sierra Mackenzie wrote:So glad you're dedicating programming time to improving the launcher than improving the actual game. Instead of improving the experience for existing players, they're improving it to draw in new players. Why else would they need to improve Steam integration?
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Edit: Also, all of the tinfoil hat wearers in this thread crack me up. Oh noes, BitTorrent is going to eat my computer and malicious users are going to have my IP! Whatever shall I do!?
Hard to enjoy the game when it won't load because the launcher needs fixing.
I know, we should stop funding schooling because there are people in Africa that have no food. /sarc
There are priorities, but you can't just stop everything to work on one issue, that's why you have several teams working on different issues. |
Barakach
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2013.03.18 01:58:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:I don't wish to share my details nor my network.
give us an off button in the options of the launcher for torrents i will not be allowing uploads from my network.
I'll stick with the HTML download I've always used thanks.
You still upload. If you're using TCP, you're uploading. Best you learn how the Internet works. |
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