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Kaivar Lancer
Federal Defense Union
251
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Posted - 2013.03.12 17:26:00 -
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I've been experimenting with PVP in FW for the last few days and keep getting blown up. It seems like those who PVP have trained all their skills to V and fly around in T2-fitted Assault Frigs and up. None of my combat skills are trained up to V and I generally fit Meta-3 stuff to cut costs, but at this stage I'm just thinking of giving up and just plex farm until I'm trained up. Is there a role for low SP combat pilots besides plex farming? What role could I play in a fleet? |
Haulie Berry
254
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Posted - 2013.03.12 17:34:00 -
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First of all, don't blame it on SPs. They do afford some advantage, but they are not the end-all and be-all of PvP in Eve.
Having looked at your killboard, it's obvious that you do not know how to PvP. I'm not insulting you by saying that - it's okay that you don't know how, you just haven't learned yet.
If you fall into the trap of thinking you can't do anything because you're not as old as other pilots, you won't learn, though.
You should probably consider joining up with Fweddit. They are newb-friendly and can give you some guidance on fittings and tactics. |
Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
253
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Posted - 2013.03.12 17:35:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I've been experimenting with PVP in FW for the last few days and keep getting blown up. It seems like those who PVP have trained all their skills to V and fly around in T2-fitted Assault Frigs and up. None of my combat skills are trained up to V and I generally fit Meta-3 stuff to cut costs, but at this stage I'm just thinking of giving up and just plex farm until I'm trained up. Is there a role for low SP combat pilots besides plex farming? What role could I play in a fleet?
In a fleet its actually easier, fit up a tackling ship of the race of your choice and join as many public fleets as you can (the kind advertised in militia chat). After a while you'll get a bit of recognition and may be able to join a militia corp and get further advice after that.
Fleets are always after ecm/logi as well. Training a griffin/blackbird or a t1 logi cruiser/frigate up will see you always have a ship to take to a fleet.
After those experiences you can then make an informed decision on what you enjoy and specialise.
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Rezig Huruta
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
134
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:09:00 -
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Yep. Keep fighting. If you are 1v1, you're in trouble because boosters and buddies.
So, be in a fleet. Even if you are not all T2'ed out, you will still have FUN and get fights. SP comes eventually to all, don't sweat it. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
354
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:05:00 -
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Fleeting is definitely the way to go if you want to win some fights early on, and its a lot more fun. Unless you want to do nothing but solo pvp forever you'll want to be making friends with people in your militia anyway. |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
86
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:52:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I've been experimenting with PVP in FW for the last few days and keep getting blown up. It seems like those who PVP have trained all their skills to V and fly around in T2-fitted Assault Frigs and up. None of my combat skills are trained up to V and I generally fit Meta-3 stuff to cut costs, but at this stage I'm just thinking of giving up and just plex farm until I'm trained up. Is there a role for low SP combat pilots besides plex farming? What role could I play in a fleet?
There are plenty of roles for you to fill with low SP. Eve SP is a game of breadth, not depth. SP only matters a little bit, but you can be really good at a certain role with low SP. The only advantage veterans have over you is that they can fill more roles than you can but you can fill your small number of roles just as well. You just need to learn to PVP (in the human behind the keyboard way) and find a home where your skills can be put to use. You can do this in several ways.
1. You can read about PVP and watch videos of PVP and then try things on your own. In this case just stay in FW until a decent corp notices you and recruits you or you find a corp you want to join.
2. You could join Eve University and be taught how to PVP. I think Eve University is good to a point for learning PVP mechanics but not so good about learning all the different ways to play Eve. In other words, they teach you "how to play Eve" their way and show you all the mechanics. Learn the mechanics from them, but don't learn "how to play Eve" from them.
3. Join RvB and learn how to PVP. Just like Eve University, learn mechanics there but don't stay too long.
4. Pick a good corp that will train you and use you. This could be a WH corp, FW corp, lowsec pirate corp, or NPC null corp. Go down the list of top BC corps (http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/rankings.php?type=corp&recent=true) and start applying to the top corps for whatever play style is most appealing to you.
After you get "decent" at PVP, try NPC null, try wormholes, try FW, try lowsec piracy, try RvB, try sov 0.0 and then figure out what kind of PVP you like the best. . |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1123
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:53:00 -
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Come to Vlillirier. We'll put you to work in small gangs and fleets right away. |
Kaivar Lancer
Federal Defense Union
251
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Posted - 2013.03.12 23:25:00 -
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So I got insta-popped and podded at a smartbomb gate camp while on my way to a public fleet. Are public fleets used as bait to lure pilots to their death? :p
"Don't trust anyone" |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
643
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Posted - 2013.03.12 23:34:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:So I got insta-popped and podded at a smartbomb gate camp while on my way to a public fleet. Are public fleets used as bait to lure pilots to their death? :p
"Don't trust anyone"
Would not surprise me but i doubt it
Anyhow ignore the naysayers.. Find yourself some buddies that are better than you to learn from, get into a nice little t1 frig and go out killing stuff. You will die a lot at first but with time you will win more and more.. Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.03.13 00:35:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:So I got insta-popped and podded at a smartbomb gate camp while on my way to a public fleet. Are public fleets used as bait to lure pilots to their death? :p
"Don't trust anyone" A few months after I started playing Eve, I threw together a dozen frigates and joined FW solo for a week. One of the most useful things I learned in my time there is how to travel. How to use my map to scout and plan a route, learn the geography of the area. And how to avoid / sneak through gate camps. How to Dscan, disengage and run away, etc.
I ended up with only one good fight that I lost anyway, but the experience was invaluable. |
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IbanezLaney
the church of awesome Caldari State Capturing
259
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Posted - 2013.03.13 01:50:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I've been experimenting with PVP in FW for the last few days and keep getting blown up. It seems like those who PVP have trained all their skills to V and fly around in T2-fitted Assault Frigs and up. None of my combat skills are trained up to V and I generally fit Meta-3 stuff to cut costs, but at this stage I'm just thinking of giving up and just plex farm until I'm trained up. Is there a role for low SP combat pilots besides plex farming? What role could I play in a fleet?
Meta 3 is ok for mid slots and lows. Try and get T2 weapons trained up.
It just takes a while to learn how to get out of trouble. If you don't lose a heap of ships at 1st you will never learn where you went wrong and how to counter the enemy.
XGals offer is a good one to take up. His corp is a decent size and there are some good pvpers among them. You will still earn plenty of lp/isk while looking for pvp if you do it right. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Iggys
Justified Chaos
5
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Posted - 2013.03.13 02:00:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:I've been experimenting with PVP in FW for the last few days and keep getting blown up. It seems like those who PVP have trained all their skills to V and fly around in T2-fitted Assault Frigs and up. None of my combat skills are trained up to V and I generally fit Meta-3 stuff to cut costs, but at this stage I'm just thinking of giving up and just plex farm until I'm trained up. Is there a role for low SP combat pilots besides plex farming? What role could I play in a fleet? Meta 3 is ok for mid slots and lows. Try and get T2 weapons trained up. It just takes a while to learn how to get out of trouble. If you don't lose a heap of ships at 1st you will never learn where you went wrong and how to counter the enemy. XGals offer is a good one to take up. His corp is a decent size and there are some good pvpers among them. You will still earn plenty of lp/isk while looking for pvp if you do it right.
I was exactly the same as you 7 months ago before I joined Justified Chaos. Pilots like Xgallentius will teach you a lot and will always come to your aid if you ask. In general the gallente militia is really helpful, but it takes some perseverance to understand how pvp works.
Come to the vlillirier/ nennamaila area and join up with the people there. |
IbanezLaney
the church of awesome Caldari State Capturing
259
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Posted - 2013.03.13 04:08:00 -
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Iggys wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:I've been experimenting with PVP in FW for the last few days and keep getting blown up. It seems like those who PVP have trained all their skills to V and fly around in T2-fitted Assault Frigs and up. None of my combat skills are trained up to V and I generally fit Meta-3 stuff to cut costs, but at this stage I'm just thinking of giving up and just plex farm until I'm trained up. Is there a role for low SP combat pilots besides plex farming? What role could I play in a fleet? Meta 3 is ok for mid slots and lows. Try and get T2 weapons trained up. It just takes a while to learn how to get out of trouble. If you don't lose a heap of ships at 1st you will never learn where you went wrong and how to counter the enemy. XGals offer is a good one to take up. His corp is a decent size and there are some good pvpers among them. You will still earn plenty of lp/isk while looking for pvp if you do it right. I was exactly the same as you 7 months ago before I joined Justified Chaos. Pilots like Xgallentius will teach you a lot and will always come to your aid if you ask. In general the gallente militia is really helpful, but it takes some perseverance to understand how pvp works. Come to the vlillirier/ nennamaila area and join up with the people there.
Or he could head to Eha to live....
I hope you frogs haven't blocked the plumbing there or I'll be pissed off.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
50
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Posted - 2013.03.13 04:38:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote: I hope you frogs haven't blocked the plumbing there or I'll be pissed off.
If that's a 1 2 punch of potty jokes, I will be most pleased. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1127
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Posted - 2013.03.13 05:16:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Meta 3 is ok for mid slots and lows. Try and get T2 weapons trained up. I've been flying meta-2 and meta-3 guns all month long for lols and they are surprisingly effective.
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Shadow Adanza
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
51
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Posted - 2013.03.13 05:25:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Meta 3 is ok for mid slots and lows. Try and get T2 weapons trained up. I've been flying meta-2 and meta-3 guns all month long for lols and they are surprisingly effective. Quite fun, too. You derp into a lot more things because of how cheap they are. Hey! You're no zombie! |
Kaivar Lancer
Federal Defense Union
251
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Posted - 2013.03.13 08:58:00 -
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Georgina Parmala wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:So I got insta-popped and podded at a smartbomb gate camp while on my way to a public fleet. Are public fleets used as bait to lure pilots to their death? :p
"Don't trust anyone" A few months after I started playing Eve, I threw together a dozen frigates and joined FW solo for a week. One of the most useful things I learned in my time there is how to travel. How to use my map to scout and plan a route, learn the geography of the area. And how to avoid / sneak through gate camps. How to Dscan, disengage and run away, etc. I ended up with only one good fight that I lost anyway, but the experience was invaluable.
Yeah I'm learning too. After getting blown up outside a Gallente station in Villore, I'm creating undocking safe spots outside each station. Seems somewhat common for enemy militia to camp outside, hehe.
And I assume its standard to "warp to 100km" if warping to a gate? |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
248
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Posted - 2013.03.13 09:45:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote: Yeah I'm learning too. After getting blown up outside a Gallente station in Villore, I'm creating undocking safe spots outside each station. Seems somewhat common for enemy militia to camp outside, hehe.
And I assume its standard to "warp to 100km" if warping to a gate?
Looks like your are making progress. However, most important is that your strategy and tactics meets what you are flying.
E.g. if you are flying nano-stuff which is very agile then you don't need to take care of gate camps because the probability is very slim if you warp off withing less then 3 seconds that they are able to catch you. However, if they get you some how into scram range outside the gate you are almost dead which means you have to avoid this under any circumstances.
If you are flying a tanky, clumsy brawler, then camped gates can be a death trap. Stay away of them, better sit in plexes and wait for solo fighters to come to you. Naturally you have run, whenever you smell the blob comming. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
355
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Posted - 2013.03.13 13:32:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:So I got insta-popped and podded at a smartbomb gate camp while on my way to a public fleet. Are public fleets used as bait to lure pilots to their death? :p
"Don't trust anyone"
No I think this was two unrelated incidents. Or possibly the public fleet had a spai and knew which way the new entrants would be headed. Made worse if the fleet leader publicly advertises his location in the Fleet Finder.
Also, was your death at one of the more dangerous highsec to lowsec entry points? Old Man Star is especially bad for this, take another route in or just base yourself in lowsec altogether. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
355
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Posted - 2013.03.13 13:34:00 -
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Shadow Adanza wrote:X Gallentius wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Meta 3 is ok for mid slots and lows. Try and get T2 weapons trained up. I've been flying meta-2 and meta-3 guns all month long for lols and they are surprisingly effective. Quite fun, too. You derp into a lot more things because of how cheap they are.
Not having the longrange T2 ammo for shortrange guns can be a pain, though. |
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Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
41
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:01:00 -
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Kaivar, there-¦s a reason a lot of the experienced pilots in militia will tell people in militia chat EVERY DAY to get out of villore. 1. It-¦s highsec, you aren-¦t really doing much for the war effort in there. 2. You get either camped on FDU station or gateganked jumping into OMS. 3. There are good corps in lowsec and they fight the Caldari all the time. Many of those corps will accept newbies and train them, IF said newbies decide to relocate to where most of the action is.
I think getting into one of those corps, of flying some militia buddies to fly with and teach you are your best options, you-¦ll get the hang of it real quick. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1136
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Posted - 2013.03.13 21:59:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Not having the longrange T2 ammo for shortrange guns can be a pain, though. Edit: Just because your turret can't fire null ammo doesn't mean it should be reprocessed... |
Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy Samurai Pizza Cats
107
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:34:00 -
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Knowledge is power.
At this point in your EVE career knowing the different strengths and weaknesses of the various ships you fly ,encounter and their corresponding weapon systems will help you as much as SP will.
It's alot to digest, but having a sense of weapon ranges and which ships are going to kite you or brawl with you will help immensely.
Also, if you're running into alot of AF's, try focusing your activities inside of the novice plexes where people have to fly the same T1 frigs as you.
o7 |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
645
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Posted - 2013.03.13 23:56:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Takseen wrote:Not having the longrange T2 ammo for shortrange guns can be a pain, though. Edit: Just because your turret can't fire null ammo doesn't mean it should be reprocessed...
Disagree, null is life.
Anyhow training t2 small guns takes life five days and its hell of a lot more helpful than most other things you could be training
Edit: Seriously dont' start running AF's on a low sp toon with no exprience. I started pvping in AF's with a pretty good understanding of fittings and a fair amount of pvp know how but i still died endlessly in senseless fights because i was BAD (still am actually but thats another matter)
Use t1, a lot of them are really really good.. its easier to get fights, you're less likely to get blobbed and its cheaper. Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1137
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Posted - 2013.03.14 01:38:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Takseen wrote:Not having the longrange T2 ammo for shortrange guns can be a pain, though. Edit: Just because your turret can't fire null ammo doesn't mean it should be reprocessed... Disagree, null is life. My "Limited Light Ion Blaster I" disagrees with you. (There's plenty more where that came from too. Meta guns aren't perfect, but they are "surprisingly effective") |
Fret Thiesant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.14 10:45:00 -
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This is what I plan to do at least, (I'm new like you played Eve a really long time ago, there's been so many changes!)
1. First month-Second month (halfway thru)- Train up some combat skills and earn some isk.
2. Buy a couple frigs and go look for fights
3. Decide on a couple fittings I like
4 Buy a whole bunch of frigs and fittings, and maybe join FW's? Not sure how good FW's is yet.
5. Get my frigs while I train up skills more
6. Cycle and repeat.
As far as effective fittings go I'd suggest looking at what is popular on Battleclinic and coming up with fits to fight that. Unless Eve has changed a lot in this respect people tend to copy paste a lot of Battleclinic fits into their ships.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
388
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Posted - 2013.03.15 00:00:00 -
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my plan is to finally learn to pvp, i already have lot of lvl5 skills |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.03.15 00:04:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Takseen wrote:Not having the longrange T2 ammo for shortrange guns can be a pain, though. Edit: Just because your turret can't fire null ammo doesn't mean it should be reprocessed... There is a world of difference between choosing to fit a meta3 gun and being forced to due to not having the skills to fit T2.
Frig 4 (-5%) Spec 0 (-8%) Turret 3 (-10%) Surgical strike 3 (-6%) Rapid Fire 4 (-4%) Gunnery 4 (-2%)
Failmath adds that low skill noob up to ~25% less damage, not counting the difference in damage of the gun itself or the T2 ammo. Not even looking at shorter range and worse tracking yet. You don't lose nearly that much DPS downgrading to save costs, that's why it works for you so well in comparison. You keep the skill bonuses (except spec).
It takes fights you should take and win in deep structure, and turns them into lolwtfbbq against competent pilots. Especially when you then realize tank is lacking too, as are Nav skills. You're trying to brawl in neut range with bad cap skills, bad damage projection and no range control.
Doesn't mean it's a bad idea to try, but you're not gonna win many (any?) fights solo on a low sp pilot with no player experience behind it. |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
53
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Posted - 2013.03.15 00:29:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Takseen wrote:Not having the longrange T2 ammo for shortrange guns can be a pain, though. Edit: Just because your turret can't fire null ammo doesn't mean it should be reprocessed... Disagree, null is life. My "Limited Light Ion Blaster I" disagrees with you. (There's plenty more where that came from too. Meta guns aren't perfect, but they are "surprisingly effective")
Nice drop, btw. |
Kane Alvo
SQUIDS.
89
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Posted - 2013.03.15 00:51:00 -
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I'm a relatively new player with around 3m SP. A lot of those points are spread around, and aren't focused for FW. I dabbled in mission running and other PvE aspects of the game before giving FW a shot. That said, I'm currently training for my first T2 gun fit now. My experience is, those T2 guns are a necessity, along with Thermodynamics (the ability to overheat modules). I've had several close calls, and being able to dish out just a little more damage or hang in there for a few more seconds would've made the difference.
The veterans can say that SP don't matter, or that they can do just as well with Meta 4 gear. They also have experience on their side, whereas we new players don't. We need that gear advantage in my opinion.
Personally, I've started checking WTs character age when they enter a system. If a 2009 toon shows up at my plex gate, I'm not going to take that fight, no matter what the ship match-up is. Being in a small gang is different, when you can rely on others. But solo, I'm picking my fights much more carefully. I don't mind losing ships, but there no point in feeding the enemy senseless kills. Caldari Militia -áGÿ£GÿàGÿP Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
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