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Kane Alvo
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2013.03.13 15:17:00 -
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You are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibian ****! - Gy Sgt Hartman (Full Metal Jacket, 1987) [NSFW]
I'm kinda new to FW, but one thing has become quite clear already. Caldari Militia needs to get it together. When I see a frog in local, there is almost always someone (or 3, or 20) ready to back them up. Meanwhile, CalMil scatter like ants in a rain storm if anything shows up on short scan at a plex gate. What gives?
Intel channels are mostly dead. CalMil.org is a barren wasteland. Fleets seem few and far between.
Just seems like we are taking a lot of unnecessary casualties by flying solo, when the enemy clearly is not. I'm not talking about individual corp or alliance efforts, but the overall picture. Caldari Militia -áGÿ£GÿàGÿP Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.03.13 15:29:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2013.03.13 15:36:00 -
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I think you're overestimating the level of organisation other militias have as compared to yours. There are days in every militia when it's hard to get a cohesive effort, and certain times of day when intel channels are underpopulated and silent. Every militia has its issues, and the Caldari militia's issue is generally that certain members have very serious attitude problems which makes other people unwilling to work together. Meanwhile, in the Gallente militia, our people teld to be incredibly tied to one or two particular systems and rarely go outside of them, which means systems which aren't home to a defence bloc (such as the one Mixed Metaphor is nominally a part of) tend to get neglected. The middle of northern Placid, due to its scarcity of systems, is a particularly good example of this. Mane 614
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Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.03.13 15:46:00 -
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Yes fleeting up is more efficent. All gal fleets I saw got actually always killed brutaly by amarr militia fleets. So yeah fleeting up is a solution. Blob vs Blob. But doing this you can also go immediately to Nullsec. Primary F1.... secondary F1....tertiary....blah. Yeah 98% kb efficience but 0,1% are solo kills. LOL. Uber pilots^^
BUT: Concerning fun---------> solo and small gang is really a lot cooler. Not as effective (in staging systems) like getting a 40+ armor cruiser gang but in my opinion a lot more fun.
So you have a decision to make: Fun or effieciency. And btw: small gang guerilla tactics work very well if your opponent is terrible bad at it (Minmatar for example). Concerning system occupancy 8 groups of 5 pilots in 8 different systems will do a lot better than a big group of 40 in one system. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.03.13 16:03:00 -
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First of all, we're the amphibians, not you.
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Kane Alvo
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2013.03.13 16:14:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:I think you're overestimating the level of organisation other militias have as compared to yours.
Maybe so. I've only been doing this for a couple weeks, and had delusions of grandeur of a highly organized military effort. Apparently that's not the case.
Colt Blackhawk wrote:BUT: Concerning fun---------> solo and small gang is really a lot cooler. Not as effective (in staging systems) like getting a 40+ armor cruiser gang but in my opinion a lot more fun.
I agree, and I would really like to see more small gang opportunities as opposed to blobs. As referenced above, I figured in joining FW, I could open up the fleet finder and have a list to choose from 24/7.
X Gallentius wrote:First of all, we're the amphibians, not you.
I realize. Emphasis was on the unorganized part, not the scientific breakdown of species. Caldari Militia -áGÿ£GÿàGÿP Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
Shadow Adanza
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.03.13 16:21:00 -
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Kane Alvo wrote:
I agree, and I would really like to see more small gang opportunities as opposed to blobs. As referenced above, I figured in joining FW, I could open up the fleet finder and have a list to choose from 24/7.
That mostly depends on your corp/alliance, though general militia (at least for the Gallente) almost always seems to have a fleet up. Though, the size of it greatly varies and often ventures into blob without a cause mode. Hey! You're no zombie! |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1130
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Posted - 2013.03.13 16:27:00 -
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Kane Alvo wrote:I realize. Emphasis was on the unorganized part, not the scientific breakdown of species. Maybe your corp wasn't invited into the new Squid Militia Coalition intel channel yet. If not, I suggest you join another corporation that is better connected to the bittervet groups. |
RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
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Posted - 2013.03.13 16:28:00 -
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People like you are the reason why I wonder every damn day right now, why the hell I even bother with Militia anymore.
No instead you expect someoene else to magically find you the entertainment you seek ... you want my advice, step up and do something or sit the hell down and shut the **** up. In either case there should never have been a forum post about this. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1130
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Posted - 2013.03.13 16:34:00 -
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RavenTesio wrote:People like you are the reason why I wonder every damn day right now, why the hell I even bother with Militia anymore. It's ok; calm down. We've been living in Tier 2 for a week after having been in Tier 1 for a month or so and it's all good. Where's greg and his "Hallow Victory" posts now? /troll (Raven is mostly correct except for the part about him letting a noob affect his emotional health)
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JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
50
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Posted - 2013.03.13 16:51:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:All gal fleets I saw got actually always killed brutaly by amarr militia fleets.
We gals dropped into minnie space over the weekend and got some good kills -- then we spent 20 minutes trying to tackle a gang 3 times our size and it kept running away.
I invite you to take a trip up here and put your money where your mouth is.
RavenTesio wrote:you want my advice, step up and do something or sit the hell down and shut the **** up
What gives you the right to speak to anyone like this? |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.13 16:58:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Concerning system occupancy 8 groups of 5 pilots in 8 different systems will do a lot better than a big group of 40 in one system.
It depends what you mean by "better." If you only care about 5 or 6 systems then your better off just getting in the blob and sitting in those systems.
If you actually wanted to progress in the tier system ccp set out then spreading out would be more efficient. But it seems very few care about that since the cashouts ended.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1132
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:03:00 -
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JAF Anders wrote:I invite you to take a trip up here and put your money where your mouth is.
And give us a heads up when you bring your 40 man gang next time so we can form up more quickly. Not used to seeing 40 man blobs in USTZ.
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Kane Alvo
SQUIDS.
79
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:13:00 -
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RavenTesio wrote:People like you are the reason why I wonder every damn day right now, why the hell I even bother with Militia anymore.
No instead you expect someoene else to magically find you the entertainment you seek ... you want my advice, step up and do something or sit the hell down and shut the **** up. In either case there should never have been a forum post about this.
If you're so bitter, then maybe you should step down. Someone earlier remarked that some of the militia has a serious attitude problem, and your post appears to give that statement credibility.
You're right about one thing, though. There shouldn't be a forum post about this. There are resources available that aren't being utilized, because if they were, this thread wouldn't need to exist in the first place.
[EDIT] Let's not turn this into a squids vs frogs "who brings the bigger blob" thread. There's other chest-puffing threads available for that. Thanks. Caldari Militia -áGÿ£GÿàGÿP Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1132
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:27:00 -
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Kane Alvo wrote:.You're right about one thing, though. There shouldn't be a forum post about this. There are resources available that aren't being utilized, because if they were, this thread wouldn't need to exist in the first place.
(perhaps it still doesn't need to exist)
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RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:37:00 -
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JAF Anders wrote:RavenTesio wrote:you want my advice, step up and do something or sit the hell down and shut the **** up What gives you the right to speak to anyone like this?
Being an ******** gives me that right, go on argue with that logic...
X Gallentius wrote:It's ok; calm down. We've been living in Tier 2 for a week after having been in Tier 1 for a month or so and it's all good. Where's greg and his "Hallow Victory" posts now? /troll (Raven is mostly correct except for the part about him letting a noob affect his emotional health)
Nah I'm calm just in a bit more of a grumpy mood than usual, been ill the past few days and been going bloody stir crazy at home. As I understand a good few peeps have been working a shedload recently, but then again some damn awesome games came out so could just be an excuse to ignore everyone and play Simcity for hours each day.
There is something a little satisfying about creating a crime ridden city then unleashing it on other unsuspecting people without much in the way of a police force ^_^
Then again I've notice there has been a large number of people on both sides that seem to be a bit more MIA than usual, just that time of year I guess ... won't really get busy again for another month when CCP promise us some true awesome kick-ass stuff that they'll never actually deliver lol
I mean you seen the state of DUST 514 still? especially with it's "immersive" FW link.. still can't see a point in them just to make plexing a system slightly easier / harder. Hell the best part of Orbital Bombardment right now is it seems to an awesome way to get the local pirates of a system to come fight... certainly isn't the lil mail you get sent saying "yay you killed some PS3 players, aren't you happy now?"
Kinda wish you could listen in on the game, hear the tears from them about it - even then dunno feels like being a glorified care package. |
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:53:00 -
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Kane,
It really depends on who you fly with usually. Some corps care about the next shiny kill. Some care about that but also about objectives shared with their militia, and they will try and put together the kind of war effort you seem to want. However, as has been pointed out, since we are talking militia, organization is difficult and people will more often do their own things. |
Kane Alvo
SQUIDS.
80
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:59:00 -
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Juan Rayo wrote:Kane,
It really depends on who you fly with usually. Some corps care about the next shiny kill. Some care about that but also about objectives shared with their militia, and they will try and put together the kind of war effort you seem to want. However, as has been pointed out, since we are talking militia, organization is difficult and people will more often do their own things.
Ya, maybe you're right. There are fleets available, objectives, etc. on the corp/alliance level...I'm not referring to that at all. I guess I expected there to be more of a formal chain of command, with leaders relaying well drawn battle plans that get passed down through the ranks. I thought the intel channels would be abuzz with information about WTs, gate camps, etc. Maybe I just had unrealistic expectations about how it all works. Caldari Militia -áGÿ£GÿàGÿP Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:10:00 -
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Kane Alvo wrote:Juan Rayo wrote:Kane,
It really depends on who you fly with usually. Some corps care about the next shiny kill. Some care about that but also about objectives shared with their militia, and they will try and put together the kind of war effort you seem to want. However, as has been pointed out, since we are talking militia, organization is difficult and people will more often do their own things. Ya, maybe you're right. There are fleets available, objectives, etc. on the corp/alliance level...I'm not referring to that at all. I guess I expected there to be more of a formal chain of command, with leaders relaying well drawn battle plans that get passed down through the ranks. I thought the intel channels would be abuzz with information about WTs, gate camps, etc. Maybe I just had unrealistic expectations about how it all works.
Its true your expections are not reality but they were not unreasonable.
The core goal of fw - gaining occupancy - is something most of the pvpers really don't care about. (at least outside their base system)
There were some groups in the amarr militia who put together channels to help people fight the occupancy war. But manually typing in the info on everyone you see plexing is a bit too much of a chore for a game, and so the channel was pretty much empty. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
146
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:37:00 -
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works for us gallentes lol people should really stop being lazy ***** if taking a few seconds to type intel is a bit much..... in b4 cearains "if we had a notification system people wouldnt have to type" bullshit GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
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Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
133
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:52:00 -
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Once upon a time, there was organization in the caldari militia and all was well. Then one day it ended, when Wolfsbrigade left.
/me turns on flame-hardeners. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
146
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:54:00 -
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Capitol One wrote:Once upon a time, there was organization in the caldari militia and all was well. Then one day it ended, when Wolfsbrigade left.
/me turns on flame-hardeners.
AGREED i said this in another post a few days ago
GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
149
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Posted - 2013.03.14 01:06:00 -
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I would say the organization represents the warzone. Gal/Cal is very spread out and it's rare that you see more than 10 in a system that's not a 'home' system during USTZ. Over the weekend in Minnie/Amarr space, every stsyem had a MINIMUM of 10 that I was in and I bet those sides have good intel/fleets up (I leave it to you to define "good") more than we do. Or at the very least, more fleet action because it's more condensed. -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. -Paper |
IbanezLaney
the church of awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.03.14 05:20:00 -
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Dunno what the OP is talking about.
We explode in a very organized fashion.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
IbanezLaney
the church of awesome Caldari State Capturing
261
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Posted - 2013.03.14 05:44:00 -
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Kane Alvo wrote:I figured in joining FW, I could open up the fleet finder and have a list to choose from 24/7.
Fleet finder will occasionally have fleets - but 1/2 of them will be set ups to gank you.
Thing is - FW is mostly people who can't stand the way things are done in Null sec. They don't need someone to tell them how to fit, fly and when they can do it.
You have joined a group of individuals. When you have a group who can all think for themselves - organization becomes a burden.
Example: I have one concern. My home system. That's all. The system next door or 2 jumps away is someone elses problem. If they do not take ownership and look after it by dplexing and chasing off farmers then they deserve to lose it.
It is up to smaller individual Corps to make somewhere their home in low sec and defend it. The war zone is too big and with a larger organized group, prioritizing would need to occur leaving someones home system getting screwed over.
So if an alliance has 3 corps and they all live in the same place and defend the same system - they will fail by choice.
They should have each corp based in different systems and have them defend them. So the smaller groups can get more done and are more efficient. A larger organized group would have too narrow of a focus to be of any use.
The biggest problem is actually FW people living in High Sec. They do not take ownership of home systems and defend them. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.03.14 07:04:00 -
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Capitol One wrote:Once upon a time, there was organization in the caldari militia and all was well. Then one day it ended, when Wolfsbrigade left.
/me turns on flame-hardeners.
Actually wolfsbrigade decided they liked enemy militia more than their own and then wondered why people didnt care much for them after that because everybody apparently should have liked the enemy too. Of course those who didnt were all just people "who took things too seriously" and dramalamas.
With this I am of course referring to people getting butthutt when Draketrain fleet refused to let gallente undock and let other militia people form the "purple fleet" to go after RnK. Lacco's quote says it all: "If you are willing to join into a fleet with your enemy, what are you doing in FW in the first place?".
And to OP. Eve is not a game where you are magically provided entertainment when you demand it. Has it perhaps occurred to you that people who run fleets and bigger alliances have actually worked their butt off to get their people into position they will always have a proper fleet to call for?
And as for public fleets, most people in State Pro NPC corp are either LP-farmers or gallente spy alts (usually same thing) so making public fleets (in any militia) is just stupid. It makes no difference that spying in FW is usually about as useful as looking for heterosexual single women in a gay bar. |
Kane Alvo
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2013.03.14 07:44:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:And to OP. Eve is not a game where you are magically provided entertainment when you demand it. Has it perhaps occurred to you that people who run fleets and bigger alliances have actually worked their butt off to get their people into position they will always have a proper fleet to call for?
Has it occurred to you that I have previously stated (twice) that I was not referring to the corp/alliance level? Or are you one of those who puts asshattery first, and reading second? Caldari Militia -áGÿ£GÿàGÿP Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
147
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Posted - 2013.03.14 08:33:00 -
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name removed > well the real reason pervs disbanded name removed > is cause kuolematon looked at the membership name removed > and saw that theere were 2 groups name removed > there was good pvpers name removed > and there was the people who liked damar and bm name removed > and pretty much no overlap name removed > and they hated each other
ahh ur beloved pervs sounds like u were all really together hahahaha GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
127
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Posted - 2013.03.14 09:04:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:There has been no real cohesive teamwork from the squids since wbr left tbh ..... DNlevaithan tried it but it was such a task battling with people like u damarr he joined us lol.
You can keep DNleviathan quite freely. Please do not send him back.
In all seriousness, I recall DNleviathan did the usual thing many people before and after have done. The conversation usually goes like this:
DN: I want you/your corporation to come help pvp with us. DR: Ok, will your corp help me plex then? DN: No, plexing is pve. We are here for pvp! DR: Then why should I help you if you are not willing to help me?
After that he runs to forums and moans how people refuse to follow his mighty leadership..
Kane Alvo wrote:Has it occurred to you that I have previously stated (twice) that I was not referring to the corp/alliance level? Or are you one of those who puts asshattery first, and reading second?
If people want to feed their enemy easy kills by not being on fleets or comms in their 2-3 man corporations, they can do that. Alternatively they can join any of the existing alliances/corporations to learn and to have competent people to fly with. It's not particulary hard to join them either. |
Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
76
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Posted - 2013.03.14 09:26:00 -
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Quote:There has been no real cohesive teamwork from the squids since wbr left tbh ..... DNlevaithan tried it but it was such a task battling with people like u damarr he joined us lol.... gavin is the only one whos come close to unifying the militia since wbr left his militia fleets used to do ok. . if u say it doesnt make sense to do militia wide roams how come it works so well for the other 3 militias?????
1.) It works for erm... well surely not for system occupancy. Actually amarr made minmatar really butthurt some days ago when minmatars lost 4 carriers, 1 dread and a lot of bs, bc, cruisers. 3 or 4 epic fleet fights. Well I missed it. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16753681 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16750950 Only as example. Minnies got terribly butthurt at the weekend. And where is amarr militia today? Tier 1 with the minnies at Tier 3. Well these big fleet fights are only good for one thing: Polishing kb stats. Although in my opinion killmails with 30+ people on it aren-¦t really impressive.
These big fleet fights have almost no influence to militia tiers. |
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