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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:25:00 -
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Rock, Paper, Scissors... which is best?
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1248
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:28:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Rock, Paper, Scissors... which is best?
Dear CCP,
Rock is fine, nerf Scissors
Signed, Paper |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
536
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:54:00 -
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Don't listen to any random person because 95% of everybody in this game is bad at pvp.
Minmatar and caldari are both fine. Pick whichever you like better. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
525
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:01:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:Rock, Paper, Scissors... which is best?
Dear CCP, Rock is fine, nerf Scissors Signed, Paper
I think LOL is used too often on the internat, but in this case, accurate.
SOOOO true of EVE Forums. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1015
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:14:00 -
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Halcyon Ingenium wrote:Hi.
My advice is:
1. Choose one boat you want to fly. 2. Research what is required skill wise to fly that ship well. 3. Train said skills. 4. ????? 5. Profit. ^this^
Pick a direction, and go that direction. Right now, you're kinda wandering in circles. - Not too surprising; you're new. Not all who wander are lost, but if you don't pick some goal and go for it, you soon will be. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
216
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Posted - 2013.03.14 19:15:00 -
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I like rupture. For small/solo roams speed is your greatest ally. The ability to GTFO and dictate range will save you many times, but having a "speed tank" is far less forgiving if you make a mistake. One oopsie and you're dead quick.
For the rupture, I used one to great effect that had tracking disruptor, ecm drones, some other stuff I don't remember. I don't have the client here to look up the fit unfortunately, but the EWAR helped even the odds a lot. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia A blog about contractual killing - http://www.blackstormcartel.blogspot.com |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14502
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Posted - 2013.03.14 19:34:00 -
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When I started I went for Gallente, simply because I loved the Mega and the in-your-face blasters. Train whatever you want and try it out. If it's not to your liking, try something else. Cross training is fine and if you stay long enough, you'll more than likely end up flying all races anyway.
As for learning the game and PvP, there are some really nice corps out there. Eve Uni and Red vs Blue, come to mind.
Best of luck.
P.S. Pirating is fun. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
213
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Posted - 2013.03.14 20:31:00 -
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To me it has always seemed that victory via SP domination was only half the challenge. There are many real skills to learn along with in game skills; understanding your overview is one that I have been getting into recently, not just the settings and options but how the 5 tabs interact and how to use them together to get a more clear picture of the grid.
Also understanding grid-foo and how different sizes and shapes of grid can affect combat or be used to your advantage. Same with D-scan and combat probes, you need to know where your target is in order to engage. And it helps to know who else is around if you want to win.
Develop contacts; your not going to win a 1v1 vs someone who always has logi or EW or link support, the way to ID these players is by talking to and working with others, even if you want to focus on 1v1. Also work in dangerous places, get ganked and start learning the tricks used to trap people. Before you know it they will no longer be able to catch you, and at that point you can start to dictate terms of any engagement.
Train a bit of everything to get an understanding of all the strengths and weaknesses. Get your core skills done! learn a new gadget or ship whenever you get bored of core drudgery. Rat in lowsec or null with PvP minded ships, don't worry about winning fights so much as being able to control the engagement.
In order to outsmart other players in Eve you have to kinda know what they are thinking, and be prepared to take advantage of human weakness, curiosity, indecision, and greed; these frailties are far more important than a specific weapon or a few skill points here and there. We are made sharp by the whetstone of purity and truth that is the Empire, all due praises to her Majesty Lord of the host. The alternative to reclamation is to fall as wheat before the scythe. Amarr Victor!
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The VC's
Spack Force 5
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Posted - 2013.03.15 13:17:00 -
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'Picking a race' is a bit of a red herring. Pick a weapon system, pick a shipclass (cruiser, frig, BC etc) and skill for it. In terms of developing player skill (as opposed to sp) it's better to get an understanding of a particular fighting style and engagement profile. Get good core skills for a weapon system. If you are going by race you'll end up spreading your skillpoints about and will just be ok at everything, not great at one thing. It'll be harder to get any clear advantage over an opponent.
I've spent the last year getting a good solid gunboat spec up to cruiser lever. Only now am I thinking about training another system.
Cant decide between missiles or drones |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1299
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Posted - 2013.03.15 13:38:00 -
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No one race is really that much better than any of the others (at least not since the balancing changes). The person who told you missiles were crap in PvP is an idiot whoever that was.
The biggest tip I can give you really is to not worry too much about the bigger ship types when starting out in PvP. You can kill almost anything in frigates and cruisers. Battlecruisers are very versatile, and a powerful tool in PvP, but frankly they are too big of a loss for new players. And you will loose stuff, trust me.Take it from someone with a 90% efficiency, you will still loose stuff.
Minmatar and Caldari is a great way to cross train. If you've been training those two then stick to it. Cross training to other races ships and weapon systems isn't going to help you much. As for weapons, I would concentrate on whichever skills are better for you at the moment, ie autocannons/artillery or missiles. PvPing with missiles is a little different than using the other weapons systems but I prefer it personally. If you can get yourself in a Caracal and get your HAM skills up you'll be laughing, because the Caracal is fantastic. It takes some practice because it relies quite heavily on it's speed and knowing which targets you can engage etc, but once you've got the hang of it you can kill anything short of a carrier with it.
Hope that helps. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Homowners
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Posted - 2013.03.15 16:51:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:Don't listen to any random person because 95% of everybody in this game is bad at pvp.
Minmatar and caldari are both fine. Pick whichever you like better.
Don't listen to any random person because 95% of all pvp in this game is bad.
Pick Amarr. It'll force you to improve your cap skills which will help when you decide to move into wormholes. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1053
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Posted - 2013.03.15 17:00:00 -
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My advice, don't train Gallente. Blaster although powerful have an effective range of somewhere inside your target's colon.
Also, don't train Minmatar. While their guns are good having decent range, tracking and damage, their tanks are meh and will pop more easily.
Don't even think about Amarr, their lazors are weak on damage and very cap hungry. I could fart in their general direction and cap them out.
And whatever you do, don't fly Caldari. Missile damage is weak. You'll never get an effective ship with +1000dps like the other races.
Train something else! HTFU!...for the children! |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1210
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Posted - 2013.03.15 18:00:00 -
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The basic facts are that Minmatar ships are great for pvp, projectile weps are awesome for no cap requirement, and people go Caldari for Easy Mode. People also expect those flying Minmatar (and Caldari for that matter) to not have any real skillz, so get VERY GOOD skills with Minmatar and shock the hell out of them. Amarr weapon systems are highly cap intensive, and Gallente is just basically bleh (I do really like Vigilant; awesome boat).
In the end, read up about what works best for the type of warfare you want to get into, then go with what works. And for the love of all that is holy, DON'T be just another knee-jerk "fit like this!" loser with no imagination.
And learn to enjoy dying in a glorious blaze of firey space pixels!! "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Omega Crendraven
ARG TeAm ELITE
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Posted - 2013.03.16 05:45:00 -
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Oh m8, so many things wrong on your concepts, the ones who told you missiles suck on small gang PVP are total noobs. First, missiles don't suck, second missile don't suck. Minmatar offers excellent ships for the kind of PVP you are looking, the nano artillery hurricane can apply around 500dps in all damage types and is very cheap, the tornado is fast and has a machariel-like damage proyection with good tracking for BS guns. In the caldari matter, you have the nano HAM caracal or the HML caracal, both ships are EXCELLENT and OVEPOWERED ships, you can reach around 350dps with HML'S at around 70k and with impressive speeds, fielding loki links with the caracal with HML's is a deadly convo.I know what im talking about, I tested it on sisi against almost every ship, gang or fleet knowing it's strenghts and weakness; killed a buffer Abaddon, a deimos, a brutix, a vigilant, another ham caracal, a pilgrim and a vindicator(took like 10 minutes...) + lots of frigs.
Missiles need to be used with the appropiated class dependig on what you are figthing, for example, if you want to kill frigs, use precission missiles or faction ones, and if possible webs(PODLA Drake maybe??), drugs are always needed if you want to apply full dps on moving targets or ones with small signature.
You have great amarrian plataforms for Guerilla PVP such as the omen, zealot and harbinger (nano-shield or armor with scorch range rigs.) They are slower but they can hit very hard with scorch to some excesive ranges.
Gallente has awesome brawling ships and kiting too(Talos :) ), but they will look useless when you get kited or neuted. Drones are cool for PVE. but with the new changes you need to be careful, I would suggest sentry drones so you can scoop them if they start taking damage and always picking the smaller rats |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7081
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Posted - 2013.03.16 05:47:00 -
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Why did you empty quote it
~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1718
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Posted - 2013.03.16 08:03:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:Easy answer to this. you've trained missiles, great, minmatar are dual weapon platforms a lot of the time.
Now focus your minmatar skills: Battlecrusier 5 Minnie Cruiser / Frig 5 t2 Autocannons (Small/Medium) Advanced weapon upgrades and all turret skills to 5 All Cap/Fitting skills to 5. Biology skill (yes, DRUGS HELP)
Also, I would reccomend IF you are going to be a pirate. Make yourself an alt that can fly the ships u need to lowsec from Jita. Otherwise you will find yourself rolling round eve for hours on end just picking up 1 mod here and there for ur ship.
Freighter alts, best alts.
Ninjaedit: Good solo ships for Minmatar: Cyclone Hurricane Rupture Rifter Breacher Vagabond Sleipnir Bellicose Stabber Fleet Issue Maelstrom Tempest Tempest Fleet Issue Loki
Hey OP, you don't need to train a million skills and get a freighter alt just to PVP so don't listen to anything this idiot says ok? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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