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Zeta Vulcana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.14 19:36:00 -
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Half baked idea thrown for brainwriting:
Allow one to change his name. Should be backed up (come together with): - specific price for name change (could be rank and/or LP + ISK with specific NPC) - same corp to be able to have agents like locator agents to give you history - previous name - previous 2 names - previous 5 names - full history.
Now start commenting ;)
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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
530
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Posted - 2013.03.14 19:41:00 -
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Zeta Vulcana wrote: Half baked idea thrown for brainwriting:
Allow one to change his name. Should be backed up (come together with): - specific price for name change (could be rank and/or LP + ISK with specific NPC) - same corp to be able to have agents like locator agents to give you history - previous name - previous 2 names - previous 5 names - full history.
Now start commenting ;)
shouldn't need to use any game mechanic to find a toon's history. Want to change the name, okay... but a quick show info and I see every past name. Also, if you change names, my contacts auto update to show the new name, along with maintaining the same standing. It is the toon, not the name, I watch listed and set standings to. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1177
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Posted - 2013.03.14 19:44:00 -
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Zeta Vulcana wrote:
Now start commenting ;)
You really don't want that to happen.
This gets brought up quite a bit. CCP believes that the character's name is part of the online reputation, and that changing it would diminish the power of building (or destroying) that reputation, so they aren't likely to change it.
About half the player agrees with CCP. Roughly half does not.
Both sides are about to land on this thread and troll you into a semi-conscious state of partial dementia.
You have been warned. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. Twitter --á@DeVeldrin |
Zeta Vulcana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.14 19:46:00 -
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I was thinking that as long as you have the history, one interested in finding your past/reputation would have the possibility to do research, one that is not interested wouldn't care anyway. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.03.14 19:55:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Zeta Vulcana wrote:
Now start commenting ;)
You really don't want that to happen. This gets brought up quite a bit. CCP believes that the character's name is part of the online reputation, and that changing it would diminish the power of building (or destroying) that reputation, so they aren't likely to change it. About half the player agrees with CCP. Roughly half does not. Both sides are about to land on this thread and troll you into a semi-conscious state of partial dementia. You have been warned. You know what got me the most? TOON. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Sinigr Shadowsong
War Tactical Groups SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2013.03.14 19:58:00 -
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I like this idea. I think that this should be something on player level and on character level though. Sometimes you might to start dislike your toon's name there are no ways to work around this. I suppose this feature should have following propertys:
1. Real money cost. A PLEX or two should be sufficient. 2. At least a month cooldown. 3. Old character name(s) should be viewable through character history. 4. Old nasme is reserved. You can add contact or block a character by both his/her new and old names. 5. Character - associated API keys continue to work. ===== 6. [Questinable] There should probably be 2 types of a names: a) A name that character was created with. it is open for everyone in character's Bio. b) A name that character currently possess. This name is shown in char channels, foruns etc. You don't need to know any names in between because you can always track a character by "birth name". |
Zeta Vulcana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.14 20:04:00 -
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Sinigr Shadowsong wrote: 4. Old name is reserved. ".
This puzzles me a bit.
If name is reserved one might just change name to block some names - not sure if good/bad If name is not reserved might be very difficult to find real person in a specific moment in time that was using a name - I assume you will not be able to have same name twice in same time.
Interesting points. Thank you. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Unclaimed.
1469
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Posted - 2013.03.14 20:59:00 -
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Mag's wrote:You know what got me the most? TOON. I can relate.
It feels like all the time and effort put into making a precision character, with abilities and resources prepared so they can go out and represent you... is diminished.
You go to all that trouble, the toon label gets thrown out, and you look for a looney toon character swinging a rubber chicken instead. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.03.14 21:16:00 -
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No.
Names have consequences.
/thread. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2013.03.14 21:17:00 -
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Name changing is fine as long as we can keep history of prior names, copr history ect ect. If this is readily avaiable in character info, I'd say yes to name changes. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.03.14 23:06:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Mag's wrote:You know what got me the most? TOON. I can relate. It feels like all the time and effort put into making a precision character, with abilities and resources prepared so they can go out and represent you... is diminished. You go to all that trouble, the toon label gets thrown out, and you look for a looney toon character swinging a rubber chicken instead.
Foghorn Leghorn wrote:I say boy, I say boy. Don't be calling me no Toon, I'm a Rooster.
Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Safdrof Uta
VELOCIRAPTORS EATING GRILLED CHEESE SANDWICH
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Posted - 2013.03.15 05:31:00 -
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No. |
Carniflex
StarHunt
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Posted - 2013.03.15 07:27:00 -
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No.
You do your bed and then you sleep in it. EVE is all about results of your actions. Granted, easily circumenvented by the use of alts but currently at least the one characters you used for crap gets "ruined" by its reputation. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
531
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Posted - 2013.03.15 10:02:00 -
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OMG NO,
With your suggestion, whenever i see someone in local with a name I don't know, I have to look in their Bio to see if they used to have a name i recognize!!!
Name changes in EVE is a bad idea.....
Simpy to whitewash bad reputations or pander to those that buy characters.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
1236
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Posted - 2013.03.15 12:26:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:No.
/thread.
FYP One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
64
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Posted - 2013.03.15 12:40:00 -
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I think the "change name" should be obligatory when you buy a char, or at least there should be information in the corp history. That this char was sold and when.
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Azrael Dinn
The 20th Legion Mildly Sober
67
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Posted - 2013.03.15 12:42:00 -
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i agree with this one.
If you want to change your name why not. It's your choice and your character and you can do what you want with it. Tough there has to be a info on the characted so you can see the past names. Otherwise pirating, backstabbing, stealing etc would become too easy for the players who like to do it.
so +1 |
StoneCold
House of Sparrows
88
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Posted - 2013.03.15 12:49:00 -
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No.
What Jint Hikaru said. Disclaimer: All depicted violent acts relate only (and exclusively) on ingame events. I support Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.15 14:51:00 -
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Name changes: cost is = 10X your current bounty + 1 billion. Bounty remains, but the "cost" is paid out to those who placed the bounty on your head (10X original bounty).
The 1 billion is claimed by Concorde, for having to update their records. |
Zeta Vulcana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.17 10:44:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Name changes: cost is = 10X your current bounty + 1 billion. Bounty remains, but the "cost" is paid out to those who placed the bounty on your head (10X original bounty).
The 1 billion is claimed by Concorde, for having to update their records.
This would be interesting. :)
Based on comments until now, I still see more reasons to have this change name functionality than not to have it. |
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Zella Polaris
The Minutemen Catastrophic Uprising
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Posted - 2013.03.17 11:34:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Name changes: cost is = 10X your current bounty + 1 billion. Bounty remains, but the "cost" is paid out to those who placed the bounty on your head (10X original bounty).
The 1 billion is claimed by Concorde, for having to update their records. Hmm. This *could* be interesting. I'm still sketchy about changing names, though. Only way I would be in favor of it was if it happened during character transfers. "Maturity is really just knowing when it's appropriate to be immature."-áNow recruiting. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.03.17 11:40:00 -
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Zella Polaris wrote:Only way I would be in favor of it was if it happened during character transfers. Which would make it open to everyone. Not so 'sketchy' tbh, more like 'yes let's do it'. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Olivia Moist
State Protectorate Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.03.17 15:15:00 -
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Yes please. You dedicate your character for so many years. Making people regret a name they took years ago is the worst thing you can do. Bind very strict rules to it tho. Just as other people said, keep old names in bio like corp history. Give it a cooldown of like 10 months or once a year like a remap with a cost like character transfers. |
Tweaks Huren
Sturmgrenadier Inc
13
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Posted - 2013.03.17 15:18:00 -
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I don't understand why CCP or anyone is against this knowing the following could very easily be done:
- All characters have a unique ID in the database, which means their name is just a label
- This means nothing would get lost in terms of character history (char sheet, employment history, etc...)
- A new tab could be added in the bio section to show previous names/aliases
- Searching for a character's old names would return his current character name as a result (showing "previously known as 'xxxx' in the result)
- They could easily limit the use of those renames by charging for a PLEX and limiting it to once a year
- Changing names wouldn't break anything because of point #1. No references are done by name string, only by char ID.
Someone list me a single valid point why this couldn't be done knowing the above. I can't find any. Reputation is not a valid argument if you can still see who someone was named as easily. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
533
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:35:00 -
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Tweaks Huren wrote:I don't understand why CCP or anyone is against this knowing the following could very easily be done:
- All characters have a unique ID in the database, which means their name is just a label
- This means nothing would get lost in terms of character history (char sheet, employment history, etc...)
- A new tab could be added in the bio section to show previous names/aliases
- Searching for a character's old names would return his current character name as a result (showing "previously known as 'xxxx' in the result)
- They could easily limit the use of those renames by charging for a PLEX and limiting it to once a year
- Changing names wouldn't break anything because of point #1. No references are done by name string, only by char ID.
Someone list me a single valid point why this couldn't be done knowing the above. I can't find any. Reputation is not a valid argument if you can still see who someone was named as easily.
I refer to my post on page 1,
Whenever i see someone in local with a name I don't know, I have to look in their Bio to see if they used to have a name i recognize!!!
This results in many many more calls to the game database because a player has no way of knowing if another player is someone who is 'known' to whem without perfroming an inspection of the Bio.
It would also be a huge PITA to constantly check Bios, which does not lead to enjoyable gameplay.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Sinigr Shadowsong
War Tactical Groups SOLAR FLEET
63
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Posted - 2013.03.18 11:42:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:
I refer to my post on page 1,
Whenever i see someone in local with a name I don't know, I have to look in their Bio to see if they used to have a name i recognize!!!
This results in many many more calls to the game database because a player has no way of knowing if another player is someone who is 'known' to whem without perfroming an inspection of the Bio.
It would also be a huge PITA to constantly check Bios, which does not lead to enjoyable gameplay.
There could be an options for paranoidal persons like you. 1) Always show original names. 2) Show original name in bracket after a new one (prefered IMO). e.g.: Paranoid Hikaru [Jint Hikaru]: Hello. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
534
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:20:00 -
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Not a bad solution.....
1) now you have different names being shown to different people (i see original name, you see new name), this is going to get very complicated. And this also will make FC's cry.
2) What happens when someone has changed their name 4 times?
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
StoneCold
House of Sparrows
89
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:25:00 -
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I see potential in this bracket thing.
Jint Hikaru [owes me a][machariel]
Just needs some planning. (btw: sry jint). Disclaimer: All depicted violent acts relate only (and exclusively) on ingame events. I support Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Unclaimed.
1491
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Posted - 2013.03.18 16:05:00 -
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If name changes are permitted, accountability through name recognition goes straight out the window.
Just permitted with character transfers? Sell it to yourself. Have an extra account? Bounce between those each time you want to wipe the slate.
Consider the reasons people often want a name change, namely to drop associations tied to the name quite frequently. This is why characters are sold, not skills.
It is a complete package, complete with skills, security status, name associations, all of that. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Zeta Vulcana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.18 20:49:00 -
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Ok. Let's say I don't buy server overload just yet. Could be extra button somewhere and to be loaded only when one go to that specific tab in Bio.
Initially I was thinking to have detective agents (of course you should have standings) to get you previous names - if really interested - similar to locator agent - and whenever you add someone to contacts to be able to put whatever comment/name you want to show when you go with mouse over it - I feel this way some load would be on client. I am not expert btw.
how does this sound?
About changing I feel similar to remap but to cost like transfer would be ok. You could change name only if you move toon to other account and you pay extra fee - like 2 plex and it didn't happen in last 12 months.
I doubt whoever really want to change name because they robbed Li3 would have a problem with 2 plex though (maybe only 20USD/EUR?).
I am still in favour of this functionality. |
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