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Publius Victrix
Gloria In Excelsis Deo
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Posted - 2013.03.17 15:10:00 -
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Hi all!
I was just trying to figure out a problem where mouseover wasn't working right, and it was impacting both my Eve and Warcraft installs. Finally I came across an old thread (where I had tried to help, ironically) that mentioned that synergys caused problems - and I'd just started using it again on this box. Sure enough, killing it remedied the situation.
HOWEVER... In my struggles, I'd tried a new prefix, without anything custom for libraries or overrides. The only winetricks I used was "corefonts" and I'm frankly not even sure that was required. But the upshot is that I noticed too late that I hadn't turned off station environment, and I saw the Captain's Quarters screen loading. I thought, "here comes my crash", only... it didn't crash.
Captains Quarters works in GNU/Linux now, and Eve runs in a bare Wine 1.5.26 install without any libraries loaded in and with no overrides.
My set-up:
Debian Wheezy Linux 3.2.39-2 nVidia driver 304.64 Wine 1.5.26 (from their release, not git)
The only thing different from my historical set-up is that I'm building Wine in a dedicated build-chroot lately, so that I can cleanly build 32-bit Wine on an AMD64 host. I install the resulting Wine into /usr/local/stow/wine-1.5.26 or similar, and use Debian Wheezy's nice multi-arch support to get the requisite 32-bit support. Previously I'd been simply running a 32-bit Linux to avoid problems with the 32-bit development libraries having non-dev dependencies that conflicted with my installed amd64 packages. This new set-up works beautifully, and I can detail it if folks have trouble working it out for themselves. |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:47:00 -
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I'm afraid my experience isn't so rosy. With Wine 1.5.26, Xubuntu 12.10, nVidia driver 310.14, I still crash on startup without the msvcr90 override, and still crash upon entering CQ. Could try a fresh install, but I probably won't. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.18 13:36:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:I'm afraid my experience isn't so rosy. With Wine 1.5.26, Xubuntu 12.10, nVidia driver 310.14, I still crash on startup without the msvcr90 override, and still crash upon entering CQ. Could try a fresh install, but I probably won't.
Turn off CQ on the login screen, that should get you past that hurdle. |
Publius Victrix
Gloria In Excelsis Deo
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Posted - 2013.03.20 16:27:00 -
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And... I fire it up today and the launcher/patcher crashes on me. Sigh.
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Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.22 00:44:00 -
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Read the Ubuntu install and find the overrides sections. Sometimes trying some of those gets people off the ground.
Specifically:
Quote:export WINEDLLOVERRIDES="msvcr100,msvcr90,msvcr80=n,b;msvcrt=b,n" |
Publius Victrix
Gloria In Excelsis Deo
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Posted - 2013.03.22 03:02:00 -
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So, for kicks, I launched with Wine 1.5.21 and the patcher worked, but the game crashed - having patched with Wine 1.5.21 I then fired up 1.5.26 again and loaded into Captain's Quarters. I have to say, the graphics in there are really neat. The viewscreen was reflecting off my character in subtle and complex ways. It was really beautiful. I don't like the character control mechanism at all, but so it goes.
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Publius Victrix
Gloria In Excelsis Deo
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Posted - 2013.03.22 03:05:00 -
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So, to clarify, I'm running with a completely unadorned Wine 1.5.26, no winetricks anything, no vcrun anything, no DirectX from MIcrosloth, no overrides at all, and it works fine, but I had to revert to Wine 1.5.21 for the patcher/launcher to not blow up on me.
This means it's possible to run without all that cruft, although there are kinks to work out.
Ah, if only CCP had started off with OpenGL...
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Van Mathias
Dead Space Collective
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Posted - 2013.03.23 19:28:00 -
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Alright, I use Slackware64 with Wine 1.5.26, and CQ does not work for me at this point, any tips on getting it working? |
Farrell Starshadow
Farrell Starshadow Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.24 02:02:00 -
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Ubuntu: 12.10 Kernel: 3.5.0-25-generic Wine: 1.5.26 (from POL) Nvidia driver: 304.43
This works for me with no overrides as well. When I had d3dx9_36 (native/builtin) CQ was still crashing. |
Greg Arosa
Hellcat Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.25 22:06:00 -
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CQ still doesnt work for me. The good news is that EVE seems to be working without all those overrides just fine.
Gentoo x86_64 wine 1.5.26 |
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Mr M
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2013.03.31 01:11:00 -
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I had to use the VC++ overrides when patching the other day but except for that I'm running on a clean prefix. No CQ or browser though.
Debian Wheezy Wine 1.5.27 Nvidia 313.26
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Miao Sajuuk
DMoney Corp
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Posted - 2013.04.03 11:55:00 -
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CQ and IGB still doesn't work.
Archlinux linux 3.8.5 wine git version (>1.5.27) Nvida 313.26 We Are Star Dust. |
AceMonter
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.05 02:51:00 -
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Ubuntu 12.10 with wine 1.5.26
The game runs ok, But I just cant see the image icons of ships and drones ingame, for modules and other stuff the icons are ok.
Any ideas how to resolve this ?
De los pocos argentinos que hay por aca.- |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2013.04.05 12:29:00 -
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AceMonter wrote:Ubuntu 12.10 with wine 1.5.26
The game runs ok, But I just cant see the image icons of ships and drones ingame, for modules and other stuff the icons are ok.
Any ideas how to resolve this ? I'd start by clearing the cache... if that doesn't do it, try playing with the graphics settings.
If still nothing, maybe a graphics driver issue? |
AceMonter
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.05 12:51:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:AceMonter wrote:Ubuntu 12.10 with wine 1.5.26
The game runs ok, But I just cant see the image icons of ships and drones ingame, for modules and other stuff the icons are ok.
Any ideas how to resolve this ? I'd start by clearing the cache... if that doesn't do it, try playing with the graphics settings. If still nothing, maybe a graphics driver issue?
I use the ATI legacy drivers... cleared the cache and nothing happens... The graphics settings dont fix that error...
I know is nothing because the game works fine... but a little strange that this error only happen with ships and drones... all the other icon looks ok.
Probably be ubuntu12.10 I remember been using 12.04 and never got that problem... will wait for ringtail.
De los pocos argentinos que hay por aca.- |
Publius Victrix
Gloria In Excelsis Deo
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Posted - 2013.04.06 00:38:00 -
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So, an update. The launcher crashes on anything past 1.5.21, including the newest - as of this writing, 1.5.27.
I can get the patcher to complete if I "winetricks vcrun2008".
All fairly disappointing. Eve makes CCP enough money to have someone spend a few hours a week testing against Wine.
I'm voting with my feet. If these silly issues aren't addressed by the time my subscription runs out, I'm not going to bother renewing - it's set to cancel right now, along with two alt accounts. My wife's account is already off. World of Warcraft has had no problems for a long while now, with Wine, so clearly compatibility isn't unreachable. It just takes a company wanting to bother. Maybe losing $60/month between me and my wife's accounts can be a message.
(No, you can't have my stuff.)
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Greg Arosa
Love for You
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Posted - 2013.04.12 10:54:00 -
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Publius Victrix wrote:So, an update. The launcher crashes on anything past 1.5.21, including the newest - as of this writing, 1.5.27.
Stop whining and check your wine settings. Several people including my humble self are able to run eve without any issues (not counting for cq and voicechat). Yes, with the latest wine version. No, without any libraries overloaded. |
Lancelot DuLake
NULLCorp Ltd.
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Posted - 2013.04.12 19:22:00 -
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I'm basically using what's on winehq's appdb:
Quote:winetricks corefonts d3dx9_36 vcrun2005 vcrun2008 vcrun2010
I found your post because I recently wasn't able to start EVE in wine, starting 4/10 (2 days ago). I had done some arch linux updates, and I was having a beast of a time tracking down what was broken, whether kernel, nvidia driver, etc...
Turns out the new version of wine (in archlinux, at least) uses wow64. Without going into the details of why this should be a good thing but actually isn't in the case of EVE, all you need to do is:
export WINEARCH=win32 wine eve.exe
That will disable wow64 and just run normal 32-bit windows apps the way wine did before. Using this, EVE started and ran fine. I also tested on a blank .wine folder, but EVE ran really slow. I'm thinking it's because of the directx11 support in wine, or maybe I do need those winetricks installed. Either way, just run the winetricks and/or disable directx11 if you need.
You probably already know about this, but here's the best place to go to get it working: eve at appbd.winehq
I would be happy to help further if you need. I also would cancel my subscription if EVE no longer worked in linux. I have Windows 7, but I only boot to it when I do dedicated gaming. Since EVE is more of a multi-task/passive game, I'd never play it unless it worked in linux, where I spend 90%+ of my time.
If anyone in EVE sees this post: I am a programmer in C++, Python, and many other languages, and I would be happy to help get EVE working better in linux, or even to write a native linux port, if given the chance. Currently looking for a new job, so resume's available upon request. |
Publius Victrix
Gloria In Excelsis Deo
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Posted - 2013.04.13 05:36:00 -
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Greg Arosa wrote:Stop whining and check your wine settings. Several people including my humble self are able to run eve without any issues (not counting for cq and voicechat). Yes, with the latest wine version. No, without any libraries overloaded.
I'm not whining, I'm noting that I'm not going to hand over money for low-quality work.
Raise your standards a little.
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Greg Arosa
Love for You
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:23:00 -
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Publius Victrix wrote:Greg Arosa wrote:Stop whining and check your wine settings. Several people including my humble self are able to run eve without any issues (not counting for cq and voicechat). Yes, with the latest wine version. No, without any libraries overloaded. I'm not whining, I'm noting that I'm not going to hand over money for low-quality work. Raise your standards a little.
Oh yes you are. CCP is not obliged to support EVE on Linux, and yet some of the devs still do that (not officially though). EVE runs flawlessly on its target platforms - Windows and Mac, so generally speaking it is YOUR problem if you cannot run EVE on Linux for some reason. So either be patient and help others to solve YOUR problems (by commiting some code to wine, for example), or just shut up.
p.s. CAN I HAZ UR STUFF?/ |
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:54:00 -
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Running gentoo, Eve works very well with the wine version built from portage - even CQ works, but the ingame browser crashes. Using a pre-built version from playonlinux, CQ crashes, but the ingame browser works. Very, very strange. |
Djana Libra
The Black Ops S2N Citizens
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:53:00 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Running gentoo, Eve works very well with the wine version built from portage - even CQ works, but the ingame browser crashes. Using a pre-built version from playonlinux, CQ crashes, but the ingame browser works. Very, very strange.
Playonlinux creates a dedicated wine build cache for eve which usually is an older version than the most current one available. It tries to use the most optimal wine for the application you want to run. |
Publius Victrix
Gloria In Excelsis Deo
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Posted - 2013.04.19 19:54:00 -
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Greg Arosa wrote:CCP is not obliged to support EVE on Linux, and yet some of the devs still do that (not officially though). And I'm not obliged to give them money. Nicely symmetrical.
I'm not sure why you're eager to accept low-quality work.
Greg Arosa wrote:EVE runs flawlessly on its target platforms - Windows and Mac, Oh, does it, now? =chuckle= I see you've never run it on a Mac. Hell, I've run it on a Mac, and on the Mac I've had to resort to running it under Wine to get it to work. I guess you've got a very short memory.
Greg Arosa wrote:so generally speaking it is YOUR problem if you cannot run EVE on Linux for some reason. Wow. Take a class on economics sometime. Ain't my problem, it's CCP's problem, and it's one they'll fix if they don't want better-equipped companies to eat their lunch.
Greg Arosa wrote:p.s. CAN I HAZ UR STUFF?/ Yeah, sure. I don't need my ISK any more. Send some to me and I'll send back TWICE as much!
Now, that said, there are many things I like about Eve, and I'll be happy to renew my subscriptions if I hear the right noises come out of CCP.
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Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
159
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Posted - 2013.04.20 09:51:00 -
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Publius Victrix wrote:Wow. Take a class on economics sometime. Ain't my problem, it's CCP's problem, and it's one they'll fix if they don't want better-equipped companies to eat their lunch.
In the same class, I hope they teach what is the cost of officially supporting a different platform in videogame industry.
They will happily lose the linux customers, if that makes them save twice the money they'd gain from them. After all, they already did it, in Apocrypha, when they stopped releasing their official Linux client. The costs didn't gain them any relevant gain.
If you use anything - equipment, services, whatever really - beyond the scope of its intended, documented use and against the requirements and recommendations of the provider, it becomes your problem.
Or you're so naive to tell me that if you take a non-sealed, non-waterproof notebook, and pretend to use it underwater, comfortably sit on the floor of a pool, and it breaks, it's the manufacturer problem to fix it for you?
Go ahead, give your money to the CCP competitor that produces an EVE-alike MMORPG and that has full support of your Linux setup and will fix its product to run flawlessly in the godzillion different distro/hardware/library configs out there. Can't wait to see you awarding them your hard earned money. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Nebu Retski
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.04.20 11:18:00 -
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Publius Victrix wrote:I'm not sure why you're eager to accept low-quality work. You're complaining about someone else's "low quality" work, but somehow it's too much for you to run winetricks vcrun2008 (something about the pot calling the kettle black?) |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.20 12:53:00 -
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CCP doesn't develop or promote Eve for Linux, so why do you expect it to run at all? Do you buy a fork and complain, that it's not a spoon?
Eve is sold for, made for, runs fine on and does get official support for Windows. It is not however made for Linux, doesn't officially support Linux and still does work rather well on Linux, mainly due to the efforts of the Linux community - this is how it is for most commercial games.
CCP is already ahead of most gaming companies these days by having a Linux forum and a few Linux savvy guys unofficially helping out every now and then. Linux is not as big a market as Windows and not as "trendy" as OSX, so in the eyes of most companies, Linux doesn't even exist. |
Greg Arosa
Love for You
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Posted - 2013.04.20 20:09:00 -
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Publius Victrix wrote:Greg Arosa wrote:CCP is not obliged to support EVE on Linux, and yet some of the devs still do that (not officially though). And I'm not obliged to give them money. Nicely symmetrical.
https://secure.eveonline.com/CancelSubscription.aspx
You know what to do. Make it simple, and stop whining already. |
Publius Victrix
Gloria In Excelsis Deo
3
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Posted - 2013.04.21 14:40:00 -
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Greg Arosa wrote:You know what to do. Make it simple, and stop whining already. Learn to read. Already did that.
Funny, Warcraft doesn't have the issues Eve has, and somehow Blizzard seems more successful at the same time. I guess the cost of a few tester hours a week isn't too much for them.
But you're all absolutely right, it's going to be more useful supporting Guild Software.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendetta_Online
As for my being too lazy to run "winetricks vc2008", I find it interesting that I'm the only person I've seen on here who has a configuration that lets me into Captain's Quarters, through a Mickey Mouse combination of different Wine versions with different capabilities. I can *make* it all run, but I'm sick of having to futz around with it.
Again, the code is low enough quality that they're exposing bugs in Wine. Warcraft, which pushes capabilities and hardware far harder, has no such issues. (Warcraft's bugs are all nicely cross-platform.)
Greg, could you tell me I'm whining some more before my account runs out? You seem to like to do that, so I'm happy supporting your self-actualization as an Internet troll.
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Concurssi Mellenar
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.21 14:53:00 -
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"Hey guys, I've got a great idea: let's support something that will give us only negligible returns, or possibly even cause net loss!" - Publius Victrix on his first day as CEO of GonnaFail Ltd.
As much as I'd like for CCP to improve Linux compatibility (or even better, make a working Linux client), it's not going to happen, at least not any time soon (I really hope the Linux gaming market keeps growing, so that this would eventually become profitable). There are really only two kinds of businesses that do unprofitable things: the unsuccesful ones, and the huge ones that have been around for ages, and survived by making smart business decisions in their early life.
Video games are the only thing keeping me from switching from Windows to Linux full time, so believe me when I say that I really do wish Eve worked better on Linux. But it just wouldn't be worth it for CCP at the moment. |
Publius Victrix
Gloria In Excelsis Deo
3
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Posted - 2013.04.21 15:20:00 -
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I don't think I'd seen this before:
Vendetta Online intro video |
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