Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
417
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:31:00 -
[1] - Quote
Hey, yes, this a serious request to get this answered.
Picked up this snippet posted recently (by Mittens) from a popular site starting with k. Feel free to find and read the whole post for context if you think you need to.
xxxxx snip xxxxxx
Quote:Though we've had a crushing grip on Empire's oxygen windpipe there were the remaining pockets of oxygen stockpilers and speculators have been leaking onto the market, betting against us. Those stockpiles appear to be reaching their end: sell orders have started thinning out, and buy orders have begun marching steadily upwards. There's only a few largeish orders that's the last real barrier between sustained 1k prices. Oxygen prices have already nearly destroyed gallente reactor profitability: 1k and above should be enough to shut them down and send Empire into a panic. After all, once it's clear the interdiction is working, if you need oxygen for you ships or your towers suddenly it's time to get it before it goes even higher.
At that point, all hell breaks loose as the well runs dry. Drought and pestilence everywhere.
I'm going to ignore the "lolz" and "personal gain" ethos that has been attributed to this campaign and seek a response based on the underlined points.
Mittens. If you're right and the interdiction DOES bring empire to it's knees it will only do so because you will push inflation through the roof.
This genuinly concerns me so I ask these questions in a contrite manner and will refrain from being a smartass.
Question 1) Why does Empire need to be sent "into a panic" with "drought and pestilence everywhere"?
Question 2) As the CSM chair (with it's inherent Eve representation), you're OK that this potentially ruins the economic model for everyone?
Question 3) If the economic model is smashed by inflation, do you realize that CCP could simply become proactive on indy ganking and stop it all. Are you giving them cause? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
|
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:32:00 -
[2] - Quote
I think somebody has forgotten that Eve Online is a game. |
Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Iure Divino
44
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:33:00 -
[3] - Quote
I can answer these, I think:
1) Goons set out to destroy any MMO they enter.
2) See #1.
3) See #1. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
417
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:35:00 -
[4] - Quote
Goddess Ishtar wrote:I think somebody has forgotten that Eve Online is a game. Correct. But I think you'll agree that a lot of RL cash and RL time goes into making it the game it is. YEARS of RL investment in fact. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
|
John Rothman
Sleeper Asset Relocation Services
1
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:35:00 -
[5] - Quote
Goddess Ishtar wrote:I think somebody has forgotten that Eve Online is a game.
^ this
If they can make profit on it, and they have fun doing it, why give a flying frak about you? |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:35:00 -
[6] - Quote
hahaha |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
576
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:36:00 -
[7] - Quote
EVE's economy has value in that it generates gameplay and player stories, not because we need to meet our annual GNP goal. A chaotic, fluctuating commodities market is a terrible thing to happen in RL, but an awesome thing to happen in a game.
Economic warfare of this kind is much like shooting warfare. Horrible on the news, awesome in game. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:36:00 -
[8] - Quote
I don't speak for mittens but 1) because we can 2) yes 3) lmao |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:37:00 -
[9] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:EVE's economy has value in that it generates gameplay and player stories, not because we need to meet our annual GNP goal. A chaotic, fluctuating commodities market is a terrible thing to happen in RL, but an awesome thing to happen in a game.
Economic warfare of this kind is much like shooting warfare. Horrible on the news, awesome in game. thanks for ruining my double post you meany |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:38:00 -
[10] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Goddess Ishtar wrote:I think somebody has forgotten that Eve Online is a game. Correct. But I think you'll agree that a lot of RL cash and RL time goes into making it the game it is. YEARS of RL investment in fact. So what? Nothing we are doing is against the rules and if CCP attempted to shield the carebears by changing the rules it would have a much bigger negative impact on the game than anything we're doing. That's what you're asking them to do, isn't it--provide some sort of mechanism where people in highsec are completely safe all the time?
|
|
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:39:00 -
[11] - Quote
Goddess Ishtar wrote:The Apostle wrote:Goddess Ishtar wrote:I think somebody has forgotten that Eve Online is a game. Correct. But I think you'll agree that a lot of RL cash and RL time goes into making it the game it is. YEARS of RL investment in fact. So what? Nothing we are doing is against the rules and if CCP attempted to shield the carebears by changing the rules it would have a much bigger negative impact on the game than anything we're doing. That's what you're asking them to do, isn't it--provide some sort of mechanism where people in highsec are completely safe all the time? not emptyquoting |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
57
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:40:00 -
[12] - Quote
If/when they stop, wont you see heaps of people mining again and making isk from the inflated prices, and after awhile everything will slowly return to normal?
CCP might think it'd be interesting to see how well the Economy recovers from something like this. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
417
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:40:00 -
[13] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:EVE's economy has value in that it generates gameplay and player stories, not because we need to meet our annual GNP goal. A chaotic, fluctuating commodities market is a terrible thing to happen in RL, but an awesome thing to happen in a game.
Economic warfare of this kind is much like shooting warfare. Horrible on the news, awesome in game. I'll accept that economic warfare can be fun but it's a no win for anybody unless the protaganist has or can manipulate all of the goods. They don't nor can they.
They can maipulate the production but that just fuels general inflation, for all parties. Why bother? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
|
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
101
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:41:00 -
[14] - Quote
Goons have notoriously short attention spans. They will not be able to keep this prolonged Gallente-Ice-Thing adventure up for much longer, before they get bored and move on to something else.
That said, I think it's great they are doing what they are doing. It breathes some much needed life into the game. It's the players who create the conflict and content, and players have been in a malaise since Incarna released. That the Goons are on this little escapade and raising the hackles of players everywhere ... goddamned ******* awesome! The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
77
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:42:00 -
[15] - Quote
All your questions could be answered with a single answer.
The Mittani is an ass who would rather see EvE fail than do the right and responsible thing as CSM chair to help CCP improve EvE.
This is the typical assinine mentality of a Goon. Can't expect anything less from thier leader. Frankly I seriously doubt he is actually causing the damage he wants to Empire.
But...it is a sandbox game. If Goonswarm wants to act as the "cancer of EvE" that it is and work towards EvE's destruction and downfall then so be it. Perhaps CCP will ban them from EvE like Second Life did so long ago. Draculina Alucardi...3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)-á Support the cause! Linky |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
417
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:42:00 -
[16] - Quote
non judgement wrote:If/when they stop, wont you see heaps of people mining again and making isk from the inflated prices, and after awhile everything will slowly return to normal?
CCP might think it'd be interesting to see how well the Economy recovers from something like this. Yeah, valid point. I have mentioned myself that it really needs to be a very long and sustained campaign to have the effect Mittens claims he's after.
It's why I'm asking because they can't do it but have convinced their members they can. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
|
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:45:00 -
[17] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Goons have notoriously short attention spans. They will not be able to keep this prolonged Gallente-Ice-Thing adventure up for much longer, before they get bored and move on to something else.
That said, I think it's great they are doing what they are doing. It breathes some much needed life into the game. It's the players who create the conflict and content, and players have been in a malaise since Incarna released. That the Goons are on this little escapade and raising the hackles of players everywhere ... goddamned ******* awesome! Oxytope prices just went over 1000 because of lack of supply (not speculation this time) and we're still going strong we set up a whole subforum, scoreboard and reward system for this. sorry to burst your bubble but it isn't ending any time soon |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
660
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:47:00 -
[18] - Quote
Kazanir and I actually wrote that, mittens reposted it to kugu |
Trainwreck McGee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
53
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:47:00 -
[19] - Quote
To me Goons bring out the beauty in the sandbox.
And no i'm not sucking up to them they can royally go **** themselves. CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:49:00 -
[20] - Quote
If EVE economy is gonna get ruined, the main credit for this goes to CCP with their absurd CONCORD bounty payments.
|
|
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
660
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:49:00 -
[21] - Quote
"because we can" |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:50:00 -
[22] - Quote
you made me miss the snipe weaselior :( |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:50:00 -
[23] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:It's why I'm asking because they can't do it but have convinced their members they can. Then why do you care?
|
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:51:00 -
[24] - Quote
basically we are waving our collective dicks in the faces of the eve community |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
660
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:51:00 -
[25] - Quote
also this is the most fun many of us have had with this game in years
empire is an untapped source of people who aren't so jaded from being savaged by goons that it's fun again to cause suffering and misery |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
417
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:52:00 -
[26] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Kazanir and I actually wrote that, mittens reposted it to kugu Thx for the heads up. I missed the attribution. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
|
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
660
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:53:00 -
[27] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:non judgement wrote:If/when they stop, wont you see heaps of people mining again and making isk from the inflated prices, and after awhile everything will slowly return to normal?
CCP might think it'd be interesting to see how well the Economy recovers from something like this. Yeah, valid point. I have mentioned myself that it really needs to be a very long and sustained campaign to have the effect Mittens claims he's after. It's why I'm asking because they can't do it but have convinced their members they can.
every single moon reaction on a gallente tower (the best :effort: tower for anything but carbides) now loses money except fullerides and nanotransistors which are insanely profitable for some reason) because fueling a gallente pos costs 500m a month |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
102
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:53:00 -
[28] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:
Question 1) Why does Empire need to be sent "into a panic" with "drought and pestilence everywhere"?
Question 2) As the CSM chair (with it's inherent Eve representation), you're OK that this potentially ruins the economic model for everyone?
Question 3) If the economic model is smashed by inflation, do you realize that CCP could simply become proactive on indy ganking and stop it all. Are you giving them cause?
Answer #1: The Mittanni himself admitted that he is sadistic. As someone else mentioned, goons joined EVE to destroy it. However, they discovered that EVE was the PERFECT game for their antics.
Answers #2 and #3: You fail to understand the robustness of EVE's economy. The only thing that this event has done is shift supply and demand around. So yeah, maybe fuel is more expensive. This has very little to do with T1 goods, as those can EASILY be manufactured without ever touching a POS, so long as you are willing to wait for your ME research.
The WORST CASE is that T2 returns to pre-invention prices, and everyone starts flying T1 again. Even if Goonswarm takes it a step farther and tries to prevent T1 industry from happening, then people will just go back to flying cruisers and rifters. Not even Goonswarm can stop people from mining in noobships. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
660
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:53:00 -
[29] - Quote
i mean I just go all :3: at that 500m a month for a gallente tower bit |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
660
|
Posted - 2011.10.14 22:55:00 -
[30] - Quote
oops |
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |