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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:56:00 -
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Infinimo wrote:Malcanis wrote:EVE's economy has value in that it generates gameplay and player stories, not because we need to meet our annual GNP goal. A chaotic, fluctuating commodities market is a terrible thing to happen in RL, but an awesome thing to happen in a game.
Economic warfare of this kind is much like shooting warfare. Horrible on the news, awesome in game. thanks for ruining my double post you meany
Please accept my sincere apologies. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
417
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:58:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:The Apostle wrote:non judgement wrote:If/when they stop, wont you see heaps of people mining again and making isk from the inflated prices, and after awhile everything will slowly return to normal?
CCP might think it'd be interesting to see how well the Economy recovers from something like this. Yeah, valid point. I have mentioned myself that it really needs to be a very long and sustained campaign to have the effect Mittens claims he's after. It's why I'm asking because they can't do it but have convinced their members they can. every single moon reaction on a gallente tower (the best :effort: tower for anything but carbides) now loses money except fullerides and nanotransistors which are insanely profitable for some reason) because fueling a gallente pos costs 500m a month And here's the thing (as also mentioned above).
For all the "drought and pestilence" rhetoric it is only going to hurt moon owning alliances and pilots who want to fly T2.
That's why I'm asking why Mittens is even bothering? The fun and frolics bit I already get but that's not the bit I eluded to in the OP.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:59:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:i mean I just go all :3: at that 500m a month for a gallente tower bit I get the same way when I log in and look at the price history graph for oxytopes.
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non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
57
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:00:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:The Apostle wrote:non judgement wrote:If/when they stop, wont you see heaps of people mining again and making isk from the inflated prices, and after awhile everything will slowly return to normal?
CCP might think it'd be interesting to see how well the Economy recovers from something like this. Yeah, valid point. I have mentioned myself that it really needs to be a very long and sustained campaign to have the effect Mittens claims he's after. It's why I'm asking because they can't do it but have convinced their members they can. every single moon reaction on a gallente tower (the best :effort: tower for anything but carbides) now loses money except fullerides and nanotransistors which are insanely profitable for some reason) because fueling a gallente pos costs 500m a month Some people might be silly enough to change over to another races pos just for the lower price of the fuel... ofc they'd have to watch their silos more and possibly change how often they visit the pos, because of the smaller silo sizes? |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
660
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:01:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:And here's the thing (as also mentioned above).
For all the "drought and pestilence" rhetoric it is only going to hurt moon owning alliances and pilots who want to fly T2.
That's why I'm asking why Mittens is even bothering? The fun and frolics bit I already get but that's not the bit I eluded to in the OP.
and people who make t2 items, and people who run t2 reactions for money, etc
i'll be satisfied with blowing up the t2 economy but the economic contagion is already spreading to other fuels we haven't hit in an organized fashion and hopefully it'll see more ripples out :3: |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:03:00 -
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It's reassuring to know that when I finally get committed to mental institution that there will be easy access to a computer with internet so I, too, can never stop posting. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
660
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:04:00 -
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non judgement wrote:Some people might be silly enough to change over to another races pos just for the lower price of the fuel... ofc they'd have to watch their silos more and possibly change how often they visit the pos.
forcing someone to tear down and replace towers is basically the height of griefing you just stole hours of their life they must now spend doing some of the most annoying tasks in eve |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
102
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:07:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:The Apostle wrote:non judgement wrote:If/when they stop, wont you see heaps of people mining again and making isk from the inflated prices, and after awhile everything will slowly return to normal?
CCP might think it'd be interesting to see how well the Economy recovers from something like this. Yeah, valid point. I have mentioned myself that it really needs to be a very long and sustained campaign to have the effect Mittens claims he's after. It's why I'm asking because they can't do it but have convinced their members they can. every single moon reaction on a gallente tower (the best :effort: tower for anything but carbides) now loses money except fullerides and nanotransistors which are insanely profitable for some reason) because fueling a gallente pos costs 500m a month
Switch to Amarr towers then? You can still run reactions on those, and they still get a 50% bonus to silo capacity. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
57
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:08:00 -
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I actually enjoyed onlining and offlining a pos when I had one. But it was a novelty for me. Only doing research stuff. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
661
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:12:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:Switch to Amarr towers then? You can still run reactions on those, and they still get a 50% bonus to silo capacity. pretty sure you can't because of their hideously low CPU but I could be wrong |
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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
102
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:19:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:you use caldari instead, which makes up for their lack of silo bonus by having a shitload of cpu
No, don't tel..!
I mean, SUSH you, using Caldari Towers is a TERRIBLE idea. |
John Rothman
Sleeper Asset Relocation Services
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:20:00 -
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I'm not sure what's funnier... that you think this would make EVE "fail", that you think this is what Goons are actually doing, or that this wouldn't improve EVE.
Just full of LOL.
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:All your questions could be answered with a single answer.
The Mittani is an ass who would rather see EvE fail than do the right and responsible thing as CSM chair to help CCP improve EvE.
This is the typical assinine mentality of a Goon. Can't expect anything less from thier leader. Frankly I seriously doubt he is actually causing the damage he wants to Empire.
But...it is a sandbox game. If Goonswarm wants to act as the "cancer of EvE" that it is and work towards EvE's destruction and downfall then so be it. Perhaps CCP will ban them from EvE like Second Life did so long ago.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
78
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:23:00 -
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oh no ships and modules might become expensive again.
losses becoming meaningful will surely be the death of eve |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:32:00 -
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things happens, they come and go and in the larger scheme it doesn't really matter. What matter is that people engaging in such or against it have fun doing it. The value of their time its on theirs shoulders. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Narwhals Ate My Duck
13
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:01:00 -
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Posting in a srs thread.
Goons aren't out to ruin THE game, they're out to ruin YOUR game. This has always held true; afterall, why would goons try to ruin a game that caters to their favorite playstyle (namely being dicks <3)?
I always say: Less QQ, more PEW PEW. If you don't like bending over to goons, stand up and fight back. Don't make yourself a target, use regular mining barges instead of exhumers. You'll still mine a bit of valuable ice when you don't get ganked, but losses won't hurt as much. Get creative and make defence pacts with other mining corps.
Right now, those hisec bears that are just backing down are being spineless slugs. Don't like it? Do something about it.
Just my 2 cents.
NB: I also think CCP would rather see how the economy adjusts and/or recovers, than step in and ban the oh so lovely goons. EDIT: Clarification - Mittens is tired of people thinking hisec is safe, he finds great joy in proving the contrary. Tears ensue. Adapt or die. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:02:00 -
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Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:
1) Goons set out to destroy any MMO they enter. .
That's just a little pathetic. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:06:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:
1) Goons set out to destroy any MMO they enter. .
That's just a little pathetic. More so because it's not true.
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Mixne
More Money More Problems
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:21:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:
1) Goons set out to destroy any MMO they enter. .
That's just a little pathetic.
Pretty sure stuff like this pops up simply due to the population Goons bring to games. I know back in my earlier days of gaming, Goons annoyed me when I joined an MMO and landed on a "Goon server". It had nothing to do with me knowing who they were, but more to do with me seeing them everywhere. I'm older now and less apt to make a quick, unjustified judgement like that and the Goons don't annoy me at all. In fact, anyone that understands the concept of a "sandbox" should be applauding them for driving the sandbox. Of course, getting blown up by them and set back some large number of hours of "work" kind of sucks. However, those hours of "work" should have been fun, which offsets the loss. If they weren't fun, you may be better off doing something else in EVE... something that IS fun to you. |
Cerisia
Lone Star enterprises
86
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:38:00 -
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I've recently returned after a long break, sailed into the whole "Incarna is bad mkay" thing (which was quite right IMO) and I've seen first hand how GS has made this game suddenly interesting and fun again (yeah ok , I don't mine - so it's not affecting me first hand)
The miners (that have balls anyway) are banding together and trying to work out ways of beating Goon attacks, Goons are suddenly everywhere in the forums. TBH I've not had as much fun in an MMO for ages and long may it continue.
That said I wouldn't trust a Goon farther than I can throw one - but that's just a healthy reaction me thinks :) I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:45:00 -
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I'm not gonna lie this is kind of funny. It doesn't hurt me at all so go for it goons! |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
78
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:53:00 -
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John Rothman wrote:I'm not sure what's funnier... that you think this would make EVE "fail", that you think this is what Goons are actually doing, or that this wouldn't improve EVE. Just full of LOL. Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:All your questions could be answered with a single answer.
The Mittani is an ass who would rather see EvE fail than do the right and responsible thing as CSM chair to help CCP improve EvE.
This is the typical assinine mentality of a Goon. Can't expect anything less from thier leader. Frankly I seriously doubt he is actually causing the damage he wants to Empire.
But...it is a sandbox game. If Goonswarm wants to act as the "cancer of EvE" that it is and work towards EvE's destruction and downfall then so be it. Perhaps CCP will ban them from EvE like Second Life did so long ago.
It really doesn't suprise me that you are too stupid to read since I specifically stated that I really doubt that what GS is doing is having the effect Mittani really desired.
You very much are full of LOL. Draculina Alucardi...3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)-á Support the cause! Linky |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:58:00 -
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just mine ice in a procurer, nobody's going to bother with you |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2011.10.15 01:09:00 -
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In keeping with my instructions from CCP (under penalty of forum banning) to only post positve remarks concerning the Goons and the game I am hereby stating my full support for the actions of the Goons and applaud their effort to destroy the game balance (and indeed the game itself) through metagaming and mechanics exploitation.
BRAVO GOONS ! |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.15 01:14:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:If EVE economy is gonna get ruined, the main credit for this goes to CCP with their absurd CONCORD bounty payments.
Oh no .. Q Q all over the floor. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
149
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Posted - 2011.10.15 01:26:00 -
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All economic debates aside, if you're asking the Mittani a serious bizness question, URDOINITWRONG.
But the serious bizness answer is, they're doing it for attention, fun, and to push the economy in ways it hasn't been pushed in a while. Fame, fun, and testing the capabilities and resilience of an computerized trade model, are all completely legit ways to play the game. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
155
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Posted - 2011.10.15 01:29:00 -
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Who said that the CSM are supposed to represent everyone?
They are supposed to represent those that have voted in them. If goons are the most "organized" (heh) group in this game and can easelly set us up the CSM, then tough luck. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
16
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Posted - 2011.10.15 01:35:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Who said that the CSM are supposed to represent everyone?
They are supposed to represent those that have voted in them. If goons are the most "organized" (heh) group in this game and can easelly set us up the CSM, then tough luck.
CORRECTION: If the Goons are the most NUMEROUS in the game, then via a purely "majority rule" they are certain to be heavily represented. Might be an arguement for a more republican form of CSM. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
151
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Posted - 2011.10.15 01:43:00 -
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Cerisia wrote:I've recently returned after a long break, sailed into the whole "Incarna is bad mkay" thing (which was quite right IMO) and I've seen first hand how GS has made this game suddenly interesting and fun again (yeah ok , I don't mine - so it's not affecting me first hand)
The miners (that have balls anyway) are banding together and trying to work out ways of beating Goon attacks, Goons are suddenly everywhere in the forums. TBH I've not had as much fun in an MMO for ages and long may it continue.
That said I wouldn't trust a Goon farther than I can throw one - but that's just a healthy reaction me thinks :)
Cerisia gets it. I wish the rest of the EvE community had this attitude - positive, creative, and resilient in the face of opposition. Sadly, most wish to complain instead when presented with a challenge.
And a challenge, really, is all this 'Oxytope crisis" really is. Something to force you to change your mode of operation - find alternatives. Think outside the box, think on your feet. To push you to take risks - mine in more dangerous areas or new territory, to try new ships or towers, or other activities for income.
Think of the whole expansion fight, WiS, FiS, all that crap. The whole big deal over the last few months has been a bunch of bored players begging CCP to provide deeper challenge, and more content.
The Goons are giving that to you NOW. No waiting. No debating. It's arguable more real, and more impactful, than the Incursions CCP spent months working on.
I'll stop feeding Goon egos now, but seriously everyone - there are lots of workarounds to the Goon attacks. Step up your game. Move out of the kiddie pool and into the deep end, or you're going to get shot. The lifeguard is posted, and he's the one with the sniper rifle. |
A Lunchbox
Basgerin Pirate
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Posted - 2011.10.15 01:44:00 -
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This is almost as funny as when Goons joined AOC and farmed level 20s in Khopshef province with level 80 chars for like 4 months. Freaking hillarious.
P.S. they got rolled out of the game by a giant NAP fest of carebear guilds burning their guild city to the ground. Just saying, carebears. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
155
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Posted - 2011.10.15 01:49:00 -
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A Lunchbox wrote:This is almost as funny as when Goons joined AOC and farmed level 20s in Khopshef province with level 80 chars for like 4 months. Freaking hillarious.
P.S. they got rolled out of the game by a giant NAP fest of carebear guilds burning their guild city to the ground. Just saying, carebears.
Goons got beaten by carebears in a game where men run half naked and women run with their boobs showing?
The irony. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
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