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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:41:00 -
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Our fantastic Team Security has great news for all good people in New Eden regarding the war on bots (for the bad people it is tough news though).
Read all about the war on bots in 2012 and future changes (such as moving from a 3 strike policy to a 2 strike policy from effectively today on) in the latest dev blog of CCP Stillman here.
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Representative - Volunteer Manager |
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Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:43:00 -
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first? Allocate resources to POS improvement |
Lirbank
Hazmat AB
3
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:46:00 -
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Second?
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LobbyZN
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
2
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:46:00 -
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NO I AM FIRST!
(does these apply retroactively?) |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1222
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:48:00 -
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Fifteenth!
Nice blog. A little light on the numbers side, but that's fine. Good news with the change to the three strikes rule. Steve Ronuken for CSM 8 Handy tools and SDE conversions Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Valkyrs
Deep Vein Trading
56
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:53:00 -
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Good change! Thanks for keeping the playing field even.
Keep up the good work CCP! |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
7421
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:54:00 -
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awesome!
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Psihius
Void Effect
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:56:00 -
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Waiting for botter tears to appear in next few days :) |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
375
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:00:00 -
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stay frosty! German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1775
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:01:00 -
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CCP Sreegs is leaving?
The Goonspiracy club members will be struggling for a new scapegoat.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1690
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:05:00 -
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So long Sreegs! Nice having you!
One part of the current policy that is missing (at least I hope its still part of policy) is removal of ill gotten ISK. Is that still being done? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
spookydonut
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:05:00 -
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Firstly, who the hell is CCP Peligro?
Secondly, does the 3rd strike represent rmt and client modication bans on the graph? |
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:07:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:So long Sreegs! Nice having you!
One part of the current policy that is missing (at least I hope its still part of policy) is removal of ill gotten ISK. Is that still being done? Looking at the EVE University debacle, yes it most certainly is. "Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."
"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
508
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:09:00 -
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GRAPH!!!! - Nulla Curas |
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CCP Stillman
C C P C C P Alliance
413
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:11:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote: One part of the current policy that is missing (at least I hope its still part of policy) is removal of ill gotten ISK. Is that still being done?
It absolutely is, and is done automatically in all cases where the amount can be determined by our backend system. It's rare that manual intervention is needed, but does happen. Just a random dude in Team Security. |
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CCP Stillman
C C P C C P Alliance
413
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:12:00 -
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spookydonut wrote: Secondly, does the 3rd strike represent rmt and client modication bans on the graph?
No. The graph does not cover those bans. Those bans require more investigation than normal bots and are handled and tracked separately. Just a random dude in Team Security. |
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BEPOHNKA
Legions Force
50
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:12:00 -
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The 2 step will work nicely, you wake them up with a 30 day ban you do it again shame on you ban! |
Gempei
CHAOS SQUAD Nulli Legio
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:16:00 -
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what exactly is "client modification"? |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:20:00 -
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Gempei wrote:what exactly is "client modification"?
thats a pretty important question, there is a bunch of tools out in the wild that can access some kind of cache. does that count as a client modification ?
some kind of posting to clear that up would be greatly appreciated
o7 Sreegs, fly safe ! We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
Malcanis - CSM 8 |
Ntrails
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
93
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:20:00 -
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I like the increased level of communication on the topic, and the transition towards Zero Tolerance has been pretty well managed. The reality is that along with RMTers and large scale botting networks there were a metric ton of casuals - and I reckon you did a really good job of "converting" them into law abiding citizens |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1690
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:25:00 -
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One thing that has always seemed to be a shortcoming in CCP's war on bots in the lack of deterrence. Lets say a month from now a new player picks up the game, plays for a few weeks and then gets the idea to bot. What deters him from doing so? The EULA? Most likely he did not read it. This blog? Buried under dozens of others, and he may not even be looking for them.
So he buys a bot program. That gives money to bot writers, which is not a good thing. He tries it and gets banned. "Oh, I guess I should not do that any more." OK, he learned his lesson and will now fly right. But would it not be better if he did not try, even once? Then:
The bot writer would get no money. If you can take the money out of bot writing there will be fewer bot writers.
The security team will have less work to do banning people, giving them more time to make their tools even better.
With fewer people trying botting, there will be on average fewer bots in the game.
I suggest that you place on the log-in screen a special area which gives:
The number of Strike one bans this week. The number of Strike two bans this week. The number of RMT bans this week. The amount of ISK removed along with the bans this week.
That would provide continuous and persistent deterrence to botting. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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CCP Stillman
C C P C C P Alliance
415
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:27:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Gempei wrote:what exactly is "client modification"? thats a pretty important question, there is a bunch of tools out in the wild that can access some kind of cache. does that count as a client modification ? some kind of posting to clear that up would be greatly appreciated
Our policy is that we do not make any guarantees about any tools being allowed and safe to use. We can't feasibly do that.
But client modification right now are anything that injects/touches the running EVE process. That is, reads or writes memory into it, injects and executes code. Basically anything that modifies the client to change the client or extract information that's not normally accessible. That includes bots of course.
Just a random dude in Team Security. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
6547
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:29:00 -
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Always good to see a dev blog from Team Security, especially one that involves stomping on bots.
I have a quick question on a recent post by CCP Sreegs, who said recently that cache scraping is against the EULA as far as he was concerned, bearing in mind that many legitimate out of game tools (Evemon for example) scrape the local cache for market information by default, and that there are IGB tools that populate the cache by using CCP developed code to automagically scan the market, is his stance an official stance or merely his own interpretation of the EULA?
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it. |
Gempei
CHAOS SQUAD Nulli Legio
34
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:34:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:thats a pretty important question, there is a bunch of tools out.... Yes, this! When I get some corrupt files in client, when i use teamspeak overlay plugin or when eve programs using cache (evemon, evehq) making something with cache - get i perma ban for this? We need more specific clarification from devs |
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CCP Peligro
C C P C C P Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:36:00 -
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spookydonut wrote:Firstly, who the hell is CCP Peligro?
Hi! That would be me. I've been at CCP since April 2006, but my work is done largely behind the scenes, so you might not have heard of me.
My main responsibilities within Team Security is to analyze and act on data. CCP Peligro - Team Security |
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
893
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:40:00 -
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CCP Peligro wrote:spookydonut wrote:Firstly, who the hell is CCP Peligro?
Hi! That would be me. I've been at CCP since April 2006, but my work is done largely behind the scenes, so you might not have heard of me. My main responsibilities within Team Security is to analyze and act on data.
In other words he's the brains of the outfit. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
182
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:40:00 -
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Keep up the anti bot war till the bots are standing still man!
Good job Team security.
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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CCP Stillman
C C P C C P Alliance
415
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:42:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:CCP Peligro wrote:spookydonut wrote:Firstly, who the hell is CCP Peligro?
Hi! That would be me. I've been at CCP since April 2006, but my work is done largely behind the scenes, so you might not have heard of me. My main responsibilities within Team Security is to analyze and act on data. In other words he's the brains of the outfit. And he does all the heavy lifting too. He is, after all, The Enforcer Of The LawGäó Just a random dude in Team Security. |
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Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
740
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:47:00 -
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Now, about those pesky and obvious bots in Jita... I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner. Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
632
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:48:00 -
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So here's a concern I have. In the past, there have been false positives that pop up - people wrongfully banned because (to use the example from one instance involving a fellow pilot) they legitimately bought a character through the forums which had been involved in RMT, and so were caught up in the sweep. Reversing these bans has been an agonizing process, in no small part due to their communications more or less being ignored by your team.
I understand that many botters and RMTers will protest their innocence as a matter of course which can make "ignore everything" an appealing option, but in the case I referred to above, the person was on the verge of quitting before loud and public action by his CEO on his behalf finally prompted a response. I have to imagine there may be other cases where wrongfully banned people had no one looking out for them and simply quit instead.
My question to you then is, what do you plan to do about this? Mynnna for CSM8 |
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