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Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Kaltiovon
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Posted - 2013.03.19 05:13:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote: Mentas Blaque is not the commander in direct control of a military occupational force holding the power of life and death explicitly over millions of Caldari living under his jurisdiction. General Kartaka was, and his position, along with the context of his statements, makes his meaning plain. Since when have the Caldari Providence Directorate treated "Gallente influence" in any way gently? What else could "at all costs" possibly mean if not the ultimate cost of the lives of the people he's talking about? This comes furthermore after the CPD has proven itself perfectly willing to murder its own citizens for "causing ripples." Are we truely to expect that our Gallente brothers and sisters should expect better treatment than citizens of Kaalakiota?
You are equivocating in the face of the possibility of monstrous acts. Perhaps those of us under the [AISA] banner are overreacting in this case, but I can't imagine looking my loved ones in the face if we failed to act forcefully enough.
Mentas Blauqe is a the head of a covert military unit with unprecedented access to every Federation asset available and the tools and rite to carry out the protection of the Federation by any means necessary. He's also a very powerful politician and presidential hopeful. You would do best not diminish him compared to a mere brigadier General Ms. Vero. Blaque has far more influence and power than General Kartaka.
The context and meaning of his statements are indeed very plain, but not in the voice your CEO is attempting to cast them in. I greatly respect your attempt at peace Ms. Vero, I want to make that abundantly clear, but this is not helping. What Kartaka-haan says is what is expected of every single Caldari out there from the Liberals to the Patriots. Myself included.
You should prepare to the worst Ms. Vero, but that doesn't include creating a monster where there is none. It only makes your organization look like war mongers and the recent statements released by Mr. Soter encouraging acts like the ones perpetrated in the article do nothing but back that up. These kind of statements are what leads radical governments to do radical things.
The more unrest you stir and the more spin you put on these news releases will only lead to more death. I wish those wise enough to see that in your organization would speak out against such foolishness. The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
810
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Posted - 2013.03.19 05:31:00 -
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The poor general is dead I'm afraid. So much for being in control, so much for making threats. We Gallente when pushed are people of action, a lesson many have learned the hard way. The war won't be lasting much longer now that the fascists have lost their headquarters and their forces are in disarray crumbling before the unified might of Federal Marines, the Resistance, Mercenaries and Federation Loyalists.
The best is yet to come however.
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Shun Makoto
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
7
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Posted - 2013.03.19 05:33:00 -
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For the love of the Taisaanat people, will you listen to yourselves?! Caldari Prime has witnessed more then enough bloodshed for a lifetime! Tibus Heth and his radicals have had their chance, this is now a matter for the entire State to rectify. For the betterment of the State this situation must be resolved! Caldari Independant Navy Reserve Fourth District Patriot Faction Former 22nd BRDU - Retired Milita Wing Commander
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
550
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Posted - 2013.03.19 07:01:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:The poor general is dead I'm afraid. So much for being in control, so much for making threats. We Gallente when pushed are people of action, a lesson many have learned the hard way. The war won't be lasting much longer now that the fascists have lost their headquarters and their forces are in disarray crumbling before the unified might of Federal Marines, the Resistance, Mercenaries and Federation Loyalists.
The best is yet to come however.
I'm certain the biggest shock has yet to come. I wonder whether you will gloat after it is done?
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Zaara Arran
Republic University Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.03.19 07:11:00 -
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AND NOW: ANGRY TICKS FIRE OUT OF MY NIPPLES! |
Zsaryna Adrelana
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
29
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Posted - 2013.03.19 08:54:00 -
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Let's all take a nice step back from our respective ledges. Right now this smacks of nothing more than adolescent primates hurling radioactive poo at each other and comparing their respective genital organs. It also reminds me of an incident at my training depot, two teenage NCOs were walking up to a live wire in a game of chicken, with the winner claiming sole rights for something or other, I forget what. Apparently whatever it was was fairly important to both of them since they both touched said live wire. Whoever would have thought Cadets could be buried with full military honours. My point is this, for those of you of a TL;CR persuasion. If both Caldari and Gallente continue to approach the live wire then both of you will no doubt get a rather nasty jolt. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2231
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Posted - 2013.03.19 10:17:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I'm certain the biggest shock has yet to come. I wonder whether you will gloat after it is done? There'll be nothing left to gloat over when this is done.
I'll make sure of it. Mane 614
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
99
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Posted - 2013.03.19 10:31:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:The poor general is dead I'm afraid. So much for being in control, so much for making threats. We Gallente when pushed are people of action, a lesson many have learned the hard way. The war won't be lasting much longer now that the fascists have lost their headquarters and their forces are in disarray crumbling before the unified might of Federal Marines, the Resistance, Mercenaries and Federation Loyalists.
The best is yet to come however.
The tone of your message couldn't be any less appropriate during these solemn times.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:It is YOU who have forced this man's hand. It is YOU who have damaged this dam until it is at breaking point. You have been warned time and time again what will happen if you keep pushing.
Winds damn you for making us do this.
Let it be known that the Caldari took no joy in their actions when both sides were pushed to the breaking point, yet carried out their duty regardless.
I wish the same could be said for our old friends. The Gallente seem more than eager to spread destruction and death throughout the streets of our Home.
These are sad events indeed.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2231
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Posted - 2013.03.19 10:34:00 -
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Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:Let it be known that the Caldari took no joy in their actions when both sides were pushed to the breaking point, yet carried out their duty regardless. And prattled about it endlessly.
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:I wish the same could be said for our old friends. The Gallente seem more than eager to spread destruction and death throughout the streets of our Home. It isn't your home.
Mane 614
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
99
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Posted - 2013.03.19 10:40:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote: And prattled about it endlessly.
I try to be as concise as possible. I often fail. My apologies.
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Lialus Raithe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.19 11:32:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Simon Louvaki wrote:Nothing in that statement arrives at the conclusion of ethnic cleansing. Soter, you should be ashamed to feed this sensationalism muck.
** Amended post for discrepancies General Kartaka wrote:He concluded his press conference by stating that GÇ£there will always be those dissenters who seek to cause ripples in smooth waters. The fact of the matter is that the land beneath our feet is the ancestral home world of the Caldari people, and the Caldari Provincial Directorate is here to stay. We will keep our home secure at all costs, even if doing so means the removal of all Gallente influence from Caldari Prime.GÇ¥ Barely veiled Caldari supremecism.
With all due respect Monsieur Soter, you are interjecting your own inferences into the words of the (apparently now late) general. For all your verbosity, it is you who plays the villain and sound the drums of war. |
Lialus Raithe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.19 11:46:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:The poor general is dead I'm afraid. So much for being in control, so much for making threats. We Gallente when pushed are people of action, a lesson many have learned the hard way. The war won't be lasting much longer now that the fascists have lost their headquarters and their forces are in disarray crumbling before the unified might of Federal Marines, the Resistance, Mercenaries and Federation Loyalists.
The best is yet to come however.
Andreus Ixiris wrote:There'll be nothing left to gloat over when this is done.
I'll make sure of it.
This is what has become of us? Pithy comebacks and petty quips?
I must disagree with your notion that the war will be over shortly. The last time we went to war with the Caldari in full force, both sides became so exasperated that we simply agreed to stop shooting at one another. Not before massive amounts of destruction and death had occurred, mind you.
The fact that this conflict will drone on and be costly is why we've avoided all out war for so long, surely you can understand this? Do not make the mistake of underestimating your enemy or overestimating yourself. The Caldari have demonstrated great resolve in this conflict and I suspect they have much more still to demonstrate. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1598
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Posted - 2013.03.19 12:42:00 -
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Lialus Raithe wrote:Mekhana wrote:The poor general is dead I'm afraid. So much for being in control, so much for making threats. We Gallente when pushed are people of action, a lesson many have learned the hard way. The war won't be lasting much longer now that the fascists have lost their headquarters and their forces are in disarray crumbling before the unified might of Federal Marines, the Resistance, Mercenaries and Federation Loyalists.
The best is yet to come however. Andreus Ixiris wrote:There'll be nothing left to gloat over when this is done.
I'll make sure of it. This is what has become of us? Pithy comebacks and petty quips? I must disagree with your notion that the war will be over shortly. The last time we went to war with the Caldari in full force, both sides became so exasperated that we simply agreed to stop shooting at one another. Not before massive amounts of destruction and death had occurred, mind you. The fact that this conflict will drone on and be costly is why we've avoided all out war for so long, surely you can understand this? Do not make the mistake of underestimating your enemy or overestimating yourself. The Caldari have demonstrated great resolve in this conflict and I suspect they have much more still to demonstrate. There is nothing glorious about this war, nothing worth gloating about. Wanton and absolute destruction of the Caldari should not be the desire or will of any of us.
Andreus Ixiris is claiming, here, that he will "Make sure of it" by exterminating every Caldari in the cluster, a sentiment he shared yesterday, brought on by imagined threats of the same via the Caldari, which do not actually exist.
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Lialus Raithe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.03.19 12:44:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Andreus Ixiris is claiming, here, that he will "Make sure of it" by exterminating every Caldari in the cluster, a sentiment he shared yesterday, brought on by imagined threats of the same via the Caldari, which do not actually exist.
Then I repeat:
Lialus Raithe wrote:Wanton and absolute destruction of the Caldari should not be the desire or will of any of us.
It is nothing short of psychosis. |
Solarienne
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
74
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Posted - 2013.03.19 12:45:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Andreus Ixiris is claiming, here, that he will "Make sure of it" by exterminating every Caldari in the cluster, a sentiment he shared yesterday, brought on by imagined threats of the same via the Caldari, which do not actually exist.
I've never seen 'preen and yell that he totally called it/pulled strings to make it happen without evidence or proof of capacity' spelled like that before. |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
100
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Posted - 2013.03.19 12:46:00 -
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Lialus Raithe wrote: It is nothing short of psychosis.
Thank-you, sir.
Maybe he will see reason when it's spoken by a comrade. |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2087
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Posted - 2013.03.19 14:06:00 -
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Fluid routers in the sector appear to have been glitching again; bit of spit an polish and all's well again.
I hope.
ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1598
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Posted - 2013.03.19 14:11:00 -
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Vlad Cetes wrote:Ethnic cleansing is an effective security solution. For some reason humans seem to be offended about effective security measures. This is illogical.
I just want to bring this post up from the dredges. I know it belongs there.
No, it isn't. Vlad, as someone who claims to support Nation (though I find that suspect) you should understand that we are the perfect example of why it isn't. We were ethnically cleansed. We have come back stronger than before, only now we are angry, and armed.
"Cleansing" a population only works if you get everyone. This is damned near impossible, nowadays, with how utterly vast space is. Space was our home when our planets were being glassed.
Now, go crawl back under your rock. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
400
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:26:00 -
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If you want a thing done well, do it yourself:
Che Biko wrote:It looks like CONCORD will not step in until after the Shiigeru/Kimotoro fleet is attacked, if even then. Therefor I would suggest the creation of a multi-ethnic capsuleer peacekeeping fleet, designed to pacify combatants, without lethal weapons, but I don't have high hopes this could be realized, considering the current climate and sentiments on the IGS. Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1316
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:06:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:If you want a thing done well, do it yourself: Che Biko wrote:It looks like CONCORD will not step in until after the Shiigeru/Kimotoro fleet is attacked, if even then. Therefor I would suggest the creation of a multi-ethnic capsuleer peacekeeping fleet, designed to pacify combatants, without lethal weapons, but I don't have high hopes this could be realized, considering the current climate and sentiments on the IGS.
You can't do peacekeeping without weapons. What do you want? A missile that flips the enemy ship's off switch??
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Lialus Raithe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:18:00 -
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Anslo wrote:You can't do peacekeeping without weapons. What do you want? A missile that flips the enemy ship's off switch??
Technically you could rely on various forms of electronic warfare to nullify and suppress target fire. Sensor dampeners and Electronic Counter Measures being primary among them. However, as appears to be the nature of the situation, it will likely only serve to escalate with more and more pilots until there's not enough suppression to keep the situation pacified.
At which point the outcome becomes even more dead.
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Erik Kaassan
Black Sun Brethren
14
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Posted - 2013.03.19 17:36:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:If you want a thing done well, do it yourself: Che Biko wrote:It looks like CONCORD will not step in until after the Shiigeru/Kimotoro fleet is attacked, if even then. Therefor I would suggest the creation of a multi-ethnic capsuleer peacekeeping fleet, designed to pacify combatants, without lethal weapons, but I don't have high hopes this could be realized, considering the current climate and sentiments on the IGS.
A multi-ethnic peacekeeping fleet? Isn't that what Concord IS? Aren't you being a bit redundant?
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Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Kaltiovon
270
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Posted - 2013.03.19 17:45:00 -
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Erik Kaassan wrote: A multi-ethnic peacekeeping fleet? Isn't that what Concord IS? Aren't you being a bit redundant?
CONCORD is refusing to act until things reach a boiling point and its too late. CONCORD is the redundant one. The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
98
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:02:00 -
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Arve Vesren wrote:Good evening Gentlemen,
Over the course of the day the Directive Enforcement Department have received a number of messages of concern from Federal officials regarding the wording of the release in question.
The position of the CONCORD Assembly is quite clear. This is a territorial dispute between the Caldari State and Gallente Federation that CONCORD will not become involved in with regards to offensive military action unless either party breaches the Yulai Convention.
At this point in time, the situation on Caldari Prime is under review by the Inner Circle, and by Directive Enforcement Department Command. We will continue to monitor developments in the system of Luminaire, and may respond appropriately within the remit laid out for DED action under the Yulai Convention should the situation escalate further.
At this time we will continue to closely monitor the situation.
Regards,
Arve Vesren Director of Operations Directive Enforcement Department CONCORD Assembly
Following Moira. Combat Reconnaissance missions to the surface of Caldari Prime, it has come to my attention that a number of the military forces on Caldari Prime are being transported to the surface by drop ships and orbital vessels. particularly by the Caldari State Protectorate.
This escalation of the surface warfare is in direct breach of the Yulai Conventions and should immediately trigger a DED intervention to blockade all military traffic in the Caldari Prime orbital zone, including Caldari Navy forces and the Shiigeru Leviathan-Class titan.
The situation is dire and Moira. Corporation, and indeed, the Villore Accords, requests an answer.
We are forwarding combat data to the Federal Intelligence Office and the Office of the President regarding large-scale, ongoing ground combat on Caldari Prime as well. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
452
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:52:00 -
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Simon Louvaki wrote:Erik Kaassan wrote: A multi-ethnic peacekeeping fleet? Isn't that what Concord IS? Aren't you being a bit redundant?
CONCORD is refusing to act until things reach a boiling point and its too late. CONCORD is the redundant one.
Unfortunately, CONCORD is bound by the very treaties that created it in the first place.
Also, I suspect that CONCORD must be extremely careful when planning any intervention. Any interference in any side's affairs would probably be dramatic on the long run, especially when they have no mandate to do so. |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange
110
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Posted - 2013.03.19 21:08:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Arve Vesren wrote:Good evening Gentlemen,
Over the course of the day the Directive Enforcement Department have received a number of messages of concern from Federal officials regarding the wording of the release in question.
The position of the CONCORD Assembly is quite clear. This is a territorial dispute between the Caldari State and Gallente Federation that CONCORD will not become involved in with regards to offensive military action unless either party breaches the Yulai Convention.
At this point in time, the situation on Caldari Prime is under review by the Inner Circle, and by Directive Enforcement Department Command. We will continue to monitor developments in the system of Luminaire, and may respond appropriately within the remit laid out for DED action under the Yulai Convention should the situation escalate further.
At this time we will continue to closely monitor the situation.
Regards,
Arve Vesren Director of Operations Directive Enforcement Department CONCORD Assembly Following Moira. Combat Reconnaissance missions to the surface of Caldari Prime, it has come to my attention that a number of the military forces on Caldari Prime are being transported to the surface by drop ships and orbital vessels. particularly by the Caldari State Protectorate. This escalation of the surface warfare is in direct breach of the Yulai Conventions and should immediately trigger a DED intervention to blockade all military traffic in the Caldari Prime orbital zone, including Caldari Navy forces and the Shiigeru Leviathan-Class titan. The situation is dire and Moira. Corporation, and indeed, the Villore Accords, requests an answer. We are forwarding combat data to the Federal Intelligence Office and the Office of the President regarding large-scale, ongoing ground combat on Caldari Prime as well.
Those FDU dropships aren't delivering welfare and good will you know. CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values
Intaki born State Citizen and supporter of the Practicals Bloc. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
688
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Posted - 2013.03.19 21:45:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Arve Vesren wrote:Good evening Gentlemen,
Over the course of the day the Directive Enforcement Department have received a number of messages of concern from Federal officials regarding the wording of the release in question.
The position of the CONCORD Assembly is quite clear. This is a territorial dispute between the Caldari State and Gallente Federation that CONCORD will not become involved in with regards to offensive military action unless either party breaches the Yulai Convention.
At this point in time, the situation on Caldari Prime is under review by the Inner Circle, and by Directive Enforcement Department Command. We will continue to monitor developments in the system of Luminaire, and may respond appropriately within the remit laid out for DED action under the Yulai Convention should the situation escalate further.
At this time we will continue to closely monitor the situation.
Regards,
Arve Vesren Director of Operations Directive Enforcement Department CONCORD Assembly Following Moira. Combat Reconnaissance missions to the surface of Caldari Prime, it has come to my attention that a number of the military forces on Caldari Prime are being transported to the surface by drop ships and orbital vessels. particularly by the Caldari State Protectorate. This escalation of the surface warfare is in direct breach of the Yulai Conventions and should immediately trigger a DED intervention to blockade all military traffic in the Caldari Prime orbital zone, including Caldari Navy forces and the Shiigeru Leviathan-Class titan. The situation is dire and Moira. Corporation, and indeed, the Villore Accords, requests an answer. We are forwarding combat data to the Federal Intelligence Office and the Office of the President regarding large-scale, ongoing ground combat on Caldari Prime as well.
I will admit to delivering one combatant to Caldari. This was a favour and in no ways reflective on my duties in the State Protectorate.
You should take comfort, sir. Your Navy is very good at defending your territory.
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
105
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Posted - 2013.03.19 21:53:00 -
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Aelisha wrote:
Those FDU dropships aren't delivering welfare and good will you know.
So, is this you making our point for us? A CONCORD established DMZ would prevent both sides from fighting this conflict out with the civilian population of Caldari Prime in the middle. |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange
113
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:12:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Aelisha wrote:
Those FDU dropships aren't delivering welfare and good will you know.
So, is this you making our point for us? A CONCORD established DMZ would prevent both sides from fighting this conflict out with the civilian population of Caldari Prime in the middle.
This is me poking holes in your leader's spittle laced rhetoric. But read into it what you like I guess? CONCORD isn't going to do ****.
CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values
Intaki born State Citizen and supporter of the Practicals Bloc. |
Tykari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
120
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:21:00 -
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The way this is going, this will end up becoming a moment remembered by history for a long time. And for CONCORD and the DED this is going to be a trying time.
Part of their job is maintaining the peace between the Empires, something they have utterly failed at. Though considering how the Empires feel towards each other that is hardly surprising. This has been a long time coming, and it's spiraling further out of control and I'm sure they know it.
To protect the right of civilizations to grow and prosper; To preserve the surviving sovereignties of the Dark Ages; To serve justice to those immortals who abuse the privilege of everlasting life; To safeguard the mortals of worlds from dangers which originate in space; To prevent empyrean technology from causing the destruction of humanity.
The beloved CONCORD mandate is rather clear, but of course the Yulai Convention makes the mandate somewhat lose it's shine and creates a whole lot of hassle for them, mostly squabbles about jurisdiction and right to interfere. This way the Empires don't need to feel threatened some external power will interfere in their affairs and it prevents the Empires from shifting any responsibility or blame to much towards them so CONCORD can use it's resources more efficiently without having to deal with every minor incident.
The problem, I feel, is that CONCORD sometimes also uses the Yulai Convention as a shield when really, they can and should do something, because they know they'll be in world of pain if they really get involved in the thick of it. I suspect the wounds of the Elder invasion are still lingering and serving as a reminder they are not invincible and that if they make a mistake they may not be able to prevent a total Armageddon of our current civilization. Though this may be one of those moments where they'll be damned either way.
Do something, get involved a massive conflict they might not win and will have massive consequences. Or do nothing, and essentially say to the whole cluster, look we can't do anything even if we wanted to, opening the door for everyone to start wreaking havoc, because the mighty CONCORD turns out to not be mighty after all. In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness. |
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