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NightmareX
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.12.02 21:53:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Andy Landen wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I didn't answer your question because I quite frankly do not give a damn about it. I'm interested in knowing what benefits the game gives to someone who is AFK, a question which you still have not answered.
Now stop with the useless rhetoric, horrible logical fallacies and transparent stalling tactics. ANSWER THE QUESTION.
Unless, of course, you can't. I have answered your question countless times. Riskless system control via the potential for hotdrop using the cyno mechanism. Pretty strong benefits for zero risk if you ask me. See my previous post on how I would escalate my hotdrop fleet against any who thought to be brave by forming a small gang for pve ops. You are also not the person I was asking, but thank you for whiteknighting on NightmareX's behalf. Aww, don't be so mad because we have good arguments against you. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:39:00 -
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"Don't be so mad"? You're trolling now?
Also, you have nothing. Don't even try to argue otherwise, you know very well that it's true.
The only one who's answered my question (although not very well) is Andy, who asserts that AFK people can control things somehow. |
NightmareX
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:47:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:"Don't be so mad"? You're trolling now?
Also, you have nothing. Don't even try to argue otherwise, you know very well that it's true.
The only one who's answered my question (although not very well) is Andy, who asserts that AFK people can control things somehow. Yes, he pointed out that afk peoples can control things, witch is the whole point i have been talking about since i started to write in this topic. No one that isn't playing the game should control / gain anything in EVE. Not even a tiny fraction of a percent, PERIOD.
That's why an afk timer should be used so the active players can have "little" more control to see if someone is afk or not. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:54:00 -
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Except that AFK people don't control anything. They're AFK. |
NightmareX
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:56:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Except that AFK people don't control anything. They're AFK. They control income for the others in local. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:09:00 -
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No, AFK people don't stop you from ratting. Your fear does that. |
NightmareX
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:12:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:No, AFK people don't stop you from ratting. Your fear does that. And the fear comes from the afk cloaker as everyone takes them as active (even when they wouldn't even be near their computers), witch again is the income stopper. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:16:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:
4> Nope, you're AFK. Log into a FPS....
Eve is not an FPS...comparison's are rather dubious as a result. When you're someone important, you can tell me what I can and can't compare. Until then, I'll happily compare an online game to another online game. Or better still, I'll simply state that if you don;t touch the client for 30 minutes, you are AFK. The end.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:20:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Actually, right now I am not pitching my solution in these posts directly.
I am saying the changes you seek are not necessary, the game is balanced to be exactly the way it is.
If you change any details that result in SOV assisted gameplay becoming easier, however, then it will either be balanced by other risks, or by reduced rewards.
To me, I would expect the reduced rewards to be more damaging to quality of gameplay, as grinding is considered dull by a great many. Except what we wan't does not make sov gameplay easier. As you guys are so eager to point out, AFK players can;t kill anyone, thus complaining that their removal would make the game easier is nonsense. You on the other hand want a change that would clearly make defending space easier as defenders would gain an intel advantage. I merely want a change to stop AFK people emptying system for ***** and giggles. If you think that's suddenly unbalance the game in some huge way, then perhaps you should occasionally log into eve or something since clearly you know **** all about the subject matter.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Astroniomix
Cryptic Meta-4
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:23:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:
4> Nope, you're AFK. Log into a FPS....
Eve is not an FPS...comparison's are rather dubious as a result. When you're someone important, you can tell me what I can and can't compare. Until then, I'll happily compare an online game to another online game. Or better still, I'll simply state that if you don;t touch the client for 30 minutes, you are AFK. The end. You can compare (or attempt to) compare things all you want, it doesn't mean it proves whatever point it is you are trying to make. |
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:39:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote: Thank you for agreeing that it is the cyno which multiplies the threat of the solo cloaky immensely. Now I will show you how the probabilities scale vastly against the hotdrop target. IF I was the FC of a BLOPS gang of 6 stealth bombers, a falcon, and a BLOPS BS, and I saw 4 domi's in an anomaly in the same system as a stealth bomber with a covert cyno gen, I would immediately put out a call for more stealth bombers to log on and move to the staging system. I would increase the fleet to 12 SB, and I would have the Falcon refit to all mag ECM. As soon as I got the numbers, I would order the point and cyno for bridging. My SB would have at least two long points fiited to it and we would get at least two BS kills. So the tactic of 4 BS is likely to fail against my 12 stealth bombers, and the probability that I will drop 12 on you is assured to increase to 100% over a short period of time. In fact, given the presence of a target, the probability of me dropping you will rise to one (100%) for any pve fleet composition; the question is, "How long will it take me to get the right fleet together in order to assure an overwhelming win if I wasn't prepared to engage your fleet upon the first report?" Your other question is whether I will ever choose to engage you. SO on the one hand, your preparations will always eventually be overcome on my timetable, and on the other hand, your preparations my be wasted on an AFK cloaky. You can never know, but it is a safe bet that if you do not prepare, you will be attacked, and if you do prepare, your preparations will be overcome; all thanks to the cyno.
Now if you have a way of distinguishing between blue and red players on the Eve Universe players in space map, then please let me know, but otherwise it can be a very difficult matter to determine if an enemy blops gang is active. Even still, the covert cyno allows an FC to prepare the right fleet to take on any pve group from a position of complete safety to a position of cleared field and all cloaked up within a few precious seconds.
You are assuming things that are not certain as certain. Sure you could ping for more pilots, but you might not get them, or they might not be in the staging area. Or it might take them 45 minutes to get there and some of the guys you already got in fleet have to log. And while you are waiting stay too long and show on the in-game map.
Or they all log in inside 2 minutes and off you go and get some kills.
My point is this: If you are going to let psychological warfare paralyze you, then expect more psychological warfare to be used against you.
As for determining who is in that orange dot on the map...
-scouts -asking in alliance/coalition channels if there are friendlies there
Two that come to mind. Yes, *effort* but that is how this game often is. Why couldn't I automate much of my invention stuff? Why couldn't I set up a queue so that jobs are run, delivered and new ones installed? Why in such a far off future universe where inter-stellar travel I can't program my ships electronics suit to ping me when a hostile shows in system? Why can't I rely on the guys doing the PI on my planet to run the operation without me having to micro-manage it?
Oh..yeah, maybe game balance issues? Yeah, I think we hit on the main reason.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:42:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:
4> Nope, you're AFK. Log into a FPS....
Eve is not an FPS...comparison's are rather dubious as a result. When you're someone important, you can tell me what I can and can't compare. Until then, I'll happily compare an online game to another online game. Or better still, I'll simply state that if you don;t touch the client for 30 minutes, you are AFK. The end.
I didn't say you couldn't compare, but that such comparisons are dubious...i.e. what works in one style of game may not work in another. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:50:00 -
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I'll say it. You can't compare two completely dissimilar games and expect anyone to take you seriously. |
NightmareX
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:01:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I'll say it. You can't compare two completely dissimilar games and expect anyone to take you seriously.
There. Now you can have your indignation and your defiant "you can't tell me what to do" rage-party. Yes you can compare 2 different games that use a system that is independent of what kind of game that is player. An afk timer is just not just limited to one type of game. It's meant for every games that want to take care of the afk'ers.
So yes, we can compare the afk system independent on what game that is taken into the consideration. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:02:00 -
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NightmareX, do you actually have anything useful of your own to say or are you going to just ride everyone else's coattails? |
NightmareX
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:03:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:NightmareX, do you actually have anything useful of your own to say or are you going to just ride everyone else's coattails? Says the guy who just ignores my good arguments and moves it all to something else to talk about.
Maybe you should just answer my questions to see on how fair afk gaming is before you cry out loud? Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:08:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I'll say it. You can't compare two completely dissimilar games and expect anyone to take you seriously.
There. Now you can have your indignation and your defiant "you can't tell me what to do" rage-party. Yes you can compare 2 different games that use a system that is independent of what kind of game that is player. An afk timer is just not just limited to one type of game. It's meant for every games that want to take care of the afk'ers. So yes, we can compare the afk system independent on what game that is taken into the consideration.
Says the guy who wants Eve to be more like WoW.
Sure you can make such comparisons, but such comparisons may also be just downright dumb.
For example, you approach would not work in World of Tanks. There you'd need a method not to boot AFK players, but assure that they don't go AFK since any player that goes AFK during a battle automatically gimps his team. And a player AFKing in his garage is not an issue at all.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:08:00 -
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You keep coming back to this "fair" nonsense in a game that's deliberately designed around things not being fair. |
NightmareX
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:10:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:NightmareX wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I'll say it. You can't compare two completely dissimilar games and expect anyone to take you seriously.
There. Now you can have your indignation and your defiant "you can't tell me what to do" rage-party. Yes you can compare 2 different games that use a system that is independent of what kind of game that is player. An afk timer is just not just limited to one type of game. It's meant for every games that want to take care of the afk'ers. So yes, we can compare the afk system independent on what game that is taken into the consideration. Says the guy who wants Eve to be more like WoW. Sure you can make such comparisons, but such comparisons may also be just downright dumb. For example, you approach would not work in World of Tanks. There you'd need a method not to boot AFK players, but assure that they don't go AFK since any player that goes AFK during a battle automatically gimps his team. And a player AFKing in his garage is not an issue at all. Did you miss my reply here?: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3955333#post3955333
Go and read it rather than posting stupid posts. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:12:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:NightmareX wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I'll say it. You can't compare two completely dissimilar games and expect anyone to take you seriously.
There. Now you can have your indignation and your defiant "you can't tell me what to do" rage-party. Yes you can compare 2 different games that use a system that is independent of what kind of game that is player. An afk timer is just not just limited to one type of game. It's meant for every games that want to take care of the afk'ers. So yes, we can compare the afk system independent on what game that is taken into the consideration. Says the guy who wants Eve to be more like WoW. Sure you can make such comparisons, but such comparisons may also be just downright dumb. For example, you approach would not work in World of Tanks. There you'd need a method not to boot AFK players, but assure that they don't go AFK since any player that goes AFK during a battle automatically gimps his team. And a player AFKing in his garage is not an issue at all. Did you miss my reply here?: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3955333#post3955333Go and read it rather than posting stupid posts.
Considering I quoted it, yes I read it.
Your system wont work in World of Tanks. It will do nothing to help that game be "better".
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
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NightmareX
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:15:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Considering I quoted it, yes I read it.
Your system wont work in World of Tanks. It will do nothing to help that game be "better".
An afk timer will work in every types of MMO games without affecting the active players. Just saying. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:17:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Considering I quoted it, yes I read it.
Your system wont work in World of Tanks. It will do nothing to help that game be "better".
An afk timer will work in every types of MMO games without affecting the active players. Just saying.
And I'm saying it wont make the game better. Hence such a comparison is just dumb. It is like putting lipstick on a pig...it accomplishes nothing. So why waste Dev time doing it.
See...like I said, you can compare them, but sometimes such comparisons are dumb.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
Astroniomix
Cryptic Meta-4
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:18:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I'll say it. You can't compare two completely dissimilar games and expect anyone to take you seriously.
There. Now you can have your indignation and your defiant "you can't tell me what to do" rage-party. Yes you can compare 2 different games that use a system that is independent of what kind of game that is player. An afk timer is just not just limited to one type of game. It's meant for every games that want to take care of the afk'ers. So yes, we can compare the afk system independent on what game that is taken into the consideration. Except that because of how local is used in comparison to other games an "afk" flag has a much different effect. So no, saying that it works in another game so it will work in EVE is not a valid statement. In "other games" the people in your chat channels aren't looking to kill you.
EDIT: upon further thought and introducing far too much alcohol into my system, I'm going to vote to support the implementation of an "AFK" flag.
You think it's bad now? Just wait for the tears of impotent rage when the cloaker's "afk" flags keep going up and down at random intervals. |
NightmareX
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:19:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:NightmareX wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Considering I quoted it, yes I read it.
Your system wont work in World of Tanks. It will do nothing to help that game be "better".
An afk timer will work in every types of MMO games without affecting the active players. Just saying. And I'm saying it wont make the game better. Hence such a comparison is just dumb. It is like putting lipstick on a pig...it accomplishes nothing. So why waste Dev time doing it. See...like I said, you can compare them, but sometimes such comparisons are dumb. Well, it will balance the game out better and favour the active players over the afk players.
And that will in the end make the game better.
I can't see why it wouldn't be better after that. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:26:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:NightmareX wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Considering I quoted it, yes I read it.
Your system wont work in World of Tanks. It will do nothing to help that game be "better".
An afk timer will work in every types of MMO games without affecting the active players. Just saying. And I'm saying it wont make the game better. Hence such a comparison is just dumb. It is like putting lipstick on a pig...it accomplishes nothing. So why waste Dev time doing it. See...like I said, you can compare them, but sometimes such comparisons are dumb. Well, it will balance the game out better and favour the active players over the afk players. And that will in the end make the game better. I can't see why it wouldn't be better after that.
So your answer to Nikk was A.
Quote:Your [NightmareX] claim that it doesn't hurt those who actually play the game, is in direct conflict with evidence to the contrary.
Now, you can of course claim anything you like, as claims carry no weight of proof.
As well, you would pretend that an AFK timer would not change the balance of the game.
So, which is true, out of the following two options possible?
A: The game is not balanced, the devs have known of this issue for years and left it like this. The AFK timer will fix this problem.
B: The game is balanced, but the devs will introduce this AFK timer because they will decide to shift the balance point in favor of those negatively affected by AFK behavior.
You think the current game is not balanced and it is currently unfair for null sec PvE pilots and has been so for years and CCP and the Devs have done nothing about it.
The solution is an AFK timer.
In short, PvE in null needs a buff.
Damn it was hard getting an answer out of you. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
NightmareX
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:30:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Damn it was hard getting an answer out of you. I answered him with a more reasonable answer to that earlier. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:32:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Damn it was hard getting an answer out of you. I answered him with a more reasonable answer to that earlier.
No, actually you didn't. You went on to repeat yet again why you think an AFK timer would be awesome, but didn't answer Nikk's question.
But whatever, clearly you think the situation is A.
Further question: Why do you play a game where the Dev's leave things unbalanced for so long and with no sign they'll ever fix it in your favor?
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
NightmareX
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
335
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:36:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:NightmareX wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Damn it was hard getting an answer out of you. I answered him with a more reasonable answer to that earlier. No, actually you didn't. You went on to repeat yet again why you think an AFK timer would be awesome, but didn't answer Nikk's question. But whatever, clearly you think the situation is A. Further question: Why do you play a game where the Dev's leave things unbalanced for so long and with no sign they'll ever fix it in your favor? I think the situation is that when something is unbalanced in EVE, we should get CCP to balance those things out to make EVE better without affecting the active players.
There are many things with EVE that is not balanced today. But we have to take one thing at a time.
And let me ask you this. WHY would an afk timer be bad when it doesn't affect those who are playing the game?
Pressing a button 1 time every 5 hours is not playing the game. Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos.
Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama (31.10.2013): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=291945 Rebirth 4: http://tinyurl.com/ktfyalo |
Alvatore DiMarco
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:42:00 -
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In that case, very few not-AFK miners are actually playing the game.
This thread reads like a textbook in how to identify logical fallacies. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.12.03 05:47:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:In that case, very few not-AFK miners are actually playing the game.
This thread reads like a textbook in how to identify logical fallacies.
What he said, every ice miner is now AFK.
Pretty much the stupidest requirement: pressing a button every 5 minutes to simply satisfy some random guy on the forums definition of what it means to be AFK.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
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