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Amon Kadon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:30:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: You keep dodging the part where we've shown (repeatedly) that CCP refusing to work with him wouldn't be against his human rights.
But ok.
Ummm... Human rights are whatever I say they are?? You goons ar dumb |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1775
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:35:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Thorien Greenwood wrote:For a while I thought your gimmick was that hilarious brand of 4chan ironic racism, but this is rationalized out enough that I think you might actually be serious. Good to know who the actual ****-lords are Ironic 'comedy' racism typically serves as a magnet and a cloak for unironic genuine racism, particularly since racists tend not to be particularly intelligent as as such have trouble identifying such concepts as irony. It's no surprise that 4chan or an Eve corp derived therefrom is utterly infested with very serious white supremacists and anti-semites. Are you judging an entire community of people based upon other communities you assume they're affiliated with?
Nope, I'm suggesting an environment where people habitually express particular sentiments tends to attract other people who wish to express similar sentiments. I'm also suggesting that racists are dumb.
Neither of these seem to be particularly controversial opinions. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
None ofthe Above
466
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:47:00 -
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I think CCP is probably handling this all correctly.
As much as I am offended by the white supremacist references and themes, I don't think CCP should be preemptively axing candidacies.
There are controls here however.
If someone has done something so offensive as to be bannable, petition it. A banned person cannot run for CSM or serve on the CSM. (Well this is mostly a judgement call by the community team, but they likely won't look at pulling a candidacy until a banning is approved.)
Once someone starts serving on the CSM there are additional standards of conduct as part of that position. If violated then the person should and probably will be removed. Doesn't cover past acts, but would cover anything past the beginning of the term.
This to me seems a good balance between an open democratic process with some oversight. So I think the calls to CCP to intervene now are misplaced.
If you don't like the guy, campaign against him. Or campaign for someone else and push for voter participation to increase the chances that a fringe candidate can make it onto the CSM.
If he's done something bannable, petition it.
Otherwise: /thread. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit. Vote, you bastards! CSM 8 Endorsements: Malcanis, Mike Azaria, Psychotic Monk, Trebor Daehdoow, Ripard Teg |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1624
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:53:00 -
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For the record, and for those still confused, if you are defending a racists right to publicly air his views under the auspice of "Protection of his freedom of speech" you are literally defending the actual act of racism.
Racists will not understand why this is undesirable. |
Sarmatiko
992
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:55:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Well he's right, really. The players elect the CSM, and if the players decide they don't want someone who espouses neo-**** ideology representing them, then it's that simple. And if players decide that they want this candidate in CSM and actually elect him, then GSF propaganda machine and mittani.com will assplode with shitstorm trying to remove this member at any cost, because this is how democracy works. Am I right?
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None ofthe Above
467
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:58:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:For the record, and for those still confused, if you are defending a racists right to publicly air his views under the auspice of "Protection of his freedom of speech" you are literally defending the actual act of racism.
Racists will not understand why this is undesirable.
Sez the guy from "True Slave Foundations".
Anyway, if he's spewing racist hate speech that offends you that deeply -- PETITION HIM! EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit. Vote, you bastards! CSM 8 Endorsements: Malcanis, Mike Azaria, Psychotic Monk, Trebor Daehdoow, Ripard Teg |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1628
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:58:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:mynnna wrote:Well he's right, really. The players elect the CSM, and if the players decide they don't want someone who espouses neo-**** ideology representing them, then it's that simple. And if players decide that they want this candidate in CSM and actually elect him, then GSF propaganda machine and mittani.com will assplode with shitstorm trying to remove this member at any cost, because this is how democracy works. Am I right?
Actually, yes, it is.
The court of public opinion is a powerful thing. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
173
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:59:00 -
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Womyn Power wrote:Please show me the positive fruits of multiculturalism whereby a nation has been improved by mass immigration of unskilled workers who refuse to assimilate to the host countries culture.
Show me one example plz.
(the example where masses of unskilled white colonialization into non-white lands obviously don't count here, unless ofc you're a racist :3) Hey, umm, I'm sorry but you seem by pure accident to have slipped your conclusion into the premise of your question. I know that it makes you able to either force anyone answering your question to agree with you, or denounce their answer as avoiding your question, but someone might come along and spot it as a fallacy and make a fuss. I know it's an honest-to-god mistake and I am certain you'll correct it ASAP. So that's why I'm helping you out here, as one rational debater to the other. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1628
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:59:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:For the record, and for those still confused, if you are defending a racists right to publicly air his views under the auspice of "Protection of his freedom of speech" you are literally defending the actual act of racism.
Racists will not understand why this is undesirable. Sez the guy from "True Slave Foundations". Anyway, if he's spewing racist hate speech that offends you that deeply -- PETITION HIM!
Sansha's Nation roleplaying corp. Happy to help you there, too.
And I did. As well as the confederation of xxPizzaxx guy who was backing him up with other racist shitdoggerel. |
None ofthe Above
467
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:00:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:mynnna wrote:Well he's right, really. The players elect the CSM, and if the players decide they don't want someone who espouses neo-**** ideology representing them, then it's that simple. And if players decide that they want this candidate in CSM and actually elect him, then GSF propaganda machine and mittani.com will assplode with shitstorm trying to remove this member at any cost, because this is how democracy works. Am I right?
The goons won't be alone on this one. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit. Vote, you bastards! CSM 8 Endorsements: Malcanis, Mike Azaria, Psychotic Monk, Trebor Daehdoow, Ripard Teg |
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Sarmatiko
992
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:06:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:The goons won't be alone on this one. You actually right. Who cares about those voters, lets just remove candidate second time in a row.
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
125
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:08:00 -
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Topic locked for cleaning up. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
125
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:14:00 -
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OK.
*puts the mop down*
Phew.
That took a while.
OK, let me lay down some ground rules:
1. Discussing the CSM candidate and whether or not he holds a belief is fine. 2. Personal attacks are not allowed. No matter how abhorrent you find another person's belief on the forum, calling them names is not the right course of action. 3. Discussing politics is forbidden. -This means dredging up laws to support your voting decision is off topic and possible trolling. -This also means discussing the relative merits of political groups does not belong here. 4. Keep it civil. This goes with #2.
That being said, I pruned this thread with pretty big shears. I am sure I stepped on quite a few toes with the pruning. If you feel that I removed your post in error, please petition this. Sending me hating evemail regarding my removal of your favorite post will not help.
Do not take my choice in pruning as an endorsement of any particular view of the ideas posited in this thread. I tried to remain as neutral as possible regarding this and keep only posts and ideas relevant to the CSM candidacy. I am only human and I am sure I made mistakes, but if you feel I need a talkin' to, petition it.
Have a nice day and let's try to keep it to the topic at hand...this particular candidate's attempt to be on the CSM. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
332
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:23:00 -
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Also, no discussion of moderation please! ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
156
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:24:00 -
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ISD Cura Ursus wrote:OK.
*puts the mop down*
Phew.
That took a while.
OK, let me lay down some ground rules:
1. Discussing the CSM candidate and whether or not he holds a belief is fine. 2. Personal attacks are not allowed. No matter how abhorrent you find another person's belief on the forum, calling them names is not the right course of action. 3. Discussing politics is forbidden. -This means dredging up laws to support your voting decision is off topic and possible trolling. -This also means discussing the relative merits of political groups does not belong here. 4. Keep it civil. This goes with #2.
That being said, I pruned this thread with pretty big shears. I am sure I stepped on quite a few toes with the pruning. If you feel that I removed your post in error, please petition this. Sending me hating evemail regarding my removal of your favorite post will not help.
Do not take my choice in pruning as an endorsement of any particular view of the ideas posited in this thread. I tried to remain as neutral as possible regarding this and keep only posts and ideas relevant to the CSM candidacy. I am only human and I am sure I made mistakes, but if you feel I need a talkin' to, petition it.
Have a nice day and let's try to keep it to the topic at hand...this particular candidate's attempt to be on the CSM.
To put a definite matter on the table:
Since this is a thread for discussing a candidate's qualities as a potential representative for the eve playerbase, I submit that comments a candidate voluntarily offers with regard to his personal beliefs, should they have an impact on the way he would discharge his duties as an elected representative, regardless of the nature of those comments, be they beneficial or adverse to his case. (Notwithstanding violations of forum rules, of course)
Would this statement be correct?
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
126
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:28:00 -
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Father Snuggles wrote: To put a definite matter on the table:
Since this is a thread for discussing a candidate's qualities as a potential representative for the eve playerbase, I submit that comments a candidate voluntarily offers with regard to his personal beliefs, should they have an impact on the way he would discharge his duties as an elected representative, regardless of the nature of those comments, be they beneficial or adverse to his case, are relevant to this threat. (Notwithstanding violations of forum rules, of course)
Would this statement be correct?
Generally, yes. Which is why I tried to leave comments that touched on that subject mostly alone, unlesss they were in reply(quoted) other non acceptable comments.
ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War Out of Sight.
1033
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:32:00 -
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Quoting my opening post here:
Quote:Finally, scandalmongering and backstage steps of blob apologists were thoroughly in line with their game views. They were smart enough to see a threat coming to their interests. If anything, it would have been really surprising to see plush villains missing an opportunity to clamour against real-life "evil", which "surely" saves one a hassle of having a discussion on the matter itself. These people can only praise someone utterly toothless who won't cause much trouble - a yesterday's newbie with little to none success beyond mere frigs will fit perfectly, the more so if his most significant "threat" posed to blobs is defined as "nerf gang-links".
So take any attempts of subpar discussion as granted
I personally had expected just that, that's why I tried my best at addressing the broad number of issues right from the start, before trolling would prevail and make a constructive talk simply impossible. My campaign for CSM 8 |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
871
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:33:00 -
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One wonders what would happen if he made it onto a major nullsec ballot as a megatroll. Would CCP's worst nightmare be that scenerio? Who knows! Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3482
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:36:00 -
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You guys removed a quote from Fon himself that seems like it should be here. Here it is in its entirety, without the quote of the even more offensive stuff he had originally:
Fon Revedhort wrote: Sums it up pretty nice, actually.
We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home?
Sadly, perverts can hardly comprehend such basic things and would rather indeed provoke the universal hatred. Alas.
I will avoid bringing up the same objections to the moderation of his thread I brought up last time he ran, but I think ISD and community need to sit down and talk about the standards for this sort of thing. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:37:00 -
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Father Snuggles wrote:Look at this video which he submitted last year in connection with his CSM candiacy. I'd say "listen to the songs", but they're all neonazi rock drivel, so don't. Instead, take note of this bit from the opening:
This video was submitted as reaction to stupid trolling campaign my mindless mittani monkeys. =) Something like you can call him names but he's still 1000x better than you ;P
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Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:40:00 -
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Two step wrote:You guys removed a quote from Fon himself that seems like it should be here. Here it is in its entirety, without the quote of the even more offensive stuff he had originally: Fon Revedhort wrote: Sums it up pretty nice, actually.
We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home?
Sadly, perverts can hardly comprehend such basic things and would rather indeed provoke the universal hatred. Alas.
I will avoid bringing up the same objections to the moderation of his thread I brought up last time he ran, but I think ISD and community need to sit down and talk about the standards for this sort of thing. Care to explain what's wrong with this quote? If you think that's outrageous statement, I am awaiting the deed for your house transferred in my name, we can discuss details in evemail =) |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
488
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:40:00 -
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"the video fon made full of racist and neonazi references was a joke that he made when his history of putting racist and neonazi references and statements in even the most random of places like eve balance discussions came to light. a joke, yes, that is the ticket" |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
4001
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:41:00 -
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Aryth wrote:One wonders what would happen if he made it onto a major nullsec ballot as a megatroll. Would CCP's worst nightmare be that scenerio? Who knows!
4/10 for bad taste Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Dramani Confederacy
16
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:41:00 -
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Aryth wrote:One wonders what would happen if he made it onto a major nullsec ballot as a megatroll. Would CCP's worst nightmare be that scenerio? Who knows!
Seeing as CCP just keeps on sweeping crap under the rug and allow this guy to run, I'm tempted to vote for him and hope he makes it into the final 14 just so those vikings learn a lesson that's long overdue. |
Xander Phoena
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
138
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:42:00 -
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ISD Cura Ursus wrote:Topic locked for cleaning up.
CCP understands the concerns of many in this thread and are currently looking into this matter. However, this htread has gone off the rails and as such I will be cleaning this thread of its most aggressive posts.
This may take a while, so please be patient.
I do hope you listen to the interview that kicked all of this conversation off in this thread in the first place when you are looking into the matter. www.crossingzebras.com |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3482
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:43:00 -
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Rythm wrote:Father Snuggles wrote:Look at this video which he submitted last year in connection with his CSM candiacy. I'd say "listen to the songs", but they're all neonazi rock drivel, so don't. Instead, take note of this bit from the opening: This video was submitted as reaction to stupid trolling campaign my mindless mittani monkeys. =) Something like you can call him names but he's still 1000x better than you ;P
Oh, I guess that is why he says this, in his thread (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=895337#post895337) (at least until CCP edits it out)
Fon Revedhort wrote: this movie has been brewed in accordance with strict Aryan purity laws,
CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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None ofthe Above
468
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:43:00 -
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Two step wrote:You guys removed a quote from Fon himself that seems like it should be here. Here it is in its entirety, without the quote of the even more offensive stuff he had originally: Fon Revedhort wrote: Sums it up pretty nice, actually.
We've got our land, they've got theirs. Why lay claims on something neither you nor your grandfathers earned instead of just agreeing to be a mere guest in someone's home?
Sadly, perverts can hardly comprehend such basic things and would rather indeed provoke the universal hatred. Alas.
I will avoid bringing up the same objections to the moderation of his thread I brought up last time he ran, but I think ISD and community need to sit down and talk about the standards for this sort of thing.
Cleaning up vile self-incriminating statements from candidates, and letting the campaign stand would be an exception to my earlier statement that CCP is handling things properly.
I think that would be a real problem. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit. Vote, you bastards! CSM 8 Endorsements: Malcanis, Mike Azaria, Psychotic Monk, Trebor Daehdoow, Ripard Teg |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
4001
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:43:00 -
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Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote: I'm tempted to vote for him and hope he makes it into the final 14 just so those vikings learn a lesson that's long overdue.
Are you saying that there are certain "racial truths" you wish them to be educated of?
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
871
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:46:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Aryth wrote:One wonders what would happen if he made it onto a major nullsec ballot as a megatroll. Would CCP's worst nightmare be that scenerio? Who knows! 4/10 for bad taste
Mynnna is dead against this as it would ultimately end up a troll of him when he had to work with him. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Rythm
True Power Team
41
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Posted - 2013.03.28 22:49:00 -
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And are you worried about it? Would you like to talk about it? Say if I roleplay ortodox jew, does it make me ortodox jew? By the way i claim right to your land and house, where's my deed ? |
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