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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.08.27 11:06:00 -
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Good intention but here in S&I the thread does not get the attantion it deserves!
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
433
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:56:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP has buffed Barge HP to such a level that you don't need to even think about fitting your ship. Many of the World of War Crack players that had transited over had failed horribely at fitting a tank, ''shield and armor, lets have the best of both''. Since CCP seen new nuggets and botters leaving the game in droves they pooped their little pants at quarterly PLEX sales so have made miner ganking in high imposible to be profitable. As long as you have Harvesters in your highs and upgrades in the low you are fine.
I'm waiting on CCP to fit my attack battlecruiser for me... actually I take that back I'm waiting for Solar citizen to start up and the sandbox version that they are working on. This post is short sited.. any barge can be ganked.. even the ones listed here.. you just need a team.. which is the way it should be. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Stalker ofeveryone
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:17:00 -
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There is no such thing as a 'gank proof' mining ship. End of story. |
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
The Scope Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2013.09.14 20:29:00 -
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Stalker ofeveryone wrote:There is no such thing as a 'gank proof' mining ship. End of story.
Yes, there is.
The Incredible Invincible Gank Proof Barge - Skiff
Shields: 16,514 HP Armor: 6,600 HP Hull: 7,500 HP
Resistances: 70/85/89/82 73/55/49/39 60/60/60/60
High Slot
1x Ice/Ore Harvester
Medium Slot
1x Medium Shield Extender II 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Shield II 1x Kinetic Deflection Field II 1x Thermic Dissipation Field II
Low Slot
1x Damage Control II 1x Adaptive Nano Plating II
Rigs
2x Medium Core Defense Field Extenders
Delux Balanced - Skiff
Shields: 11,796 Armor: 6,600 HP Hull: 7,500 HP
Resistances: 65/80/85/79 60/35/25/10 0/0/0/0
High Slot
1x Ice/Ore Harvester
Medium Slot
1x Medium Shield Extender II 1x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 1x Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field 1x Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I 1x Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I
Low Slot 2x Ice Harvester II
Rigs:
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I 1x Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I
That is before Orca boosts. Personally, I prefer the indestructable one at the top, because I have never lost a barge since its creation, seeing as how it can't be destroyed by gankers. All of this will be explain in the next thread I make, Gankbane 2.0
Coming Soon. |
Sosueme Hapytuedispt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:00:00 -
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Yeah, I guess there is. In 0.6 and above it would be impossible to destroy that barge without billions of isk of gank ships just to kill one little 'ol skiff.
Skiffs are faster cycle too with Orca boosts, I use them all the time.
Thank You, i'll be switching immediately. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
48
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Posted - 2013.09.15 08:18:00 -
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Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:Stalker ofeveryone wrote:There is no such thing as a 'gank proof' mining ship. End of story. Yes, there is. End of Story. The Incredible Invincible Gank Proof Barge - SkiffShields: 16,514 HP Armor: 6,600 HP Hull: 7,500 HP Resistances:70/85/89/82 73/55/49/39 60/60/60/60 High Slot1x Ice/Ore Harvester Medium Slot1x Medium Shield Extender II 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Shield II 1x Kinetic Deflection Field II 1x Thermic Dissipation Field II Low Slot1x Damage Control II 1x Adaptive Nano Plating II Rigs2x Medium Core Defense Field Extenders Delux Balanced - Skiff Shields: 11,796 Armor: 6,600 HP Hull: 7,500 HP Resistances:65/80/85/79 60/35/25/10 0/0/0/0 High Slot1x Ice/Ore Harvester Medium Slot1x Medium Shield Extender II 1x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 1x Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field 1x Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I 1x Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I Low Slot2x Ice Harvester II Rigs:Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I 1x Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I That is before Orca boosts. Personally, I prefer the indestructable one at the top, because I have never lost a barge since its creation, seeing as how it can't be destroyed by gankers. All of this will be explained in the next thread I make, Gankbane 2.0 Coming Soon.
What is the EHP and yield with Orca support for the 'Delux Balanced' fit above ? I haven't checked it but I'll be surprised if it is as good yield as a reasonably tanked Mackinaw.
I have looked at a number of the fits in this thread and as others have commented they are largely impractical, not that good, and in the case of a battleship fit I personally checked out have very poor yield. I have heard the Grand Admiral helps & assists miners in asteroid belts which is kind of him but most of these fittings are not that good.
Nowadays suicide gankers are not interested in the ISK return that a gank may bring - the destruction and any tears they may collect are reward enough. If they want to gank you enough they will succeed. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
459
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:37:00 -
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Commodore Quaritch wrote:Don't a single one of you get it?
Your helping simo cryha dissiminate his fits and information by continueing to post in this thread, that is why he isen't even posting, your doing all of the work for him. With every single person that reads this thread and applies the fits, it's helping to strangle ganking and your helping him to do it by keeping his thread at the top of the forum, rather you agree with him or not!
He is trying to hurt gankers and strangle out a long tradition of fun in this game. Stop helping him keep his post in the forum. The tears, dude. It's supposed to be the *miners* crying. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
459
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:39:00 -
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Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:Stalker ofeveryone wrote:There is no such thing as a 'gank proof' mining ship. End of story. Yes, there is. End of Story. No, there isn't. Even the mighty Veldnaught can be brought down, if a sufficiently large number of motivated people were to wish it so.
End of story.
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Sosueme Hapytuedispt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2013.09.16 16:43:00 -
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Quote: No, there isn't. Even the mighty Veldnaught can be brought down, if a sufficiently large number of motivated people were to wish it so.
End of story.
LoL. No, it can't. Post a kill, that isen't a war dec, and in high sec, IE Proof, or your opinion is invalidated. Period. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
461
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Posted - 2013.09.16 16:49:00 -
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Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:Quote: No, there isn't. Even the mighty Veldnaught can be brought down, if a sufficiently large number of motivated people were to wish it so.
End of story.
LoL. No, it can't. Post a kill, that isen't a war dec, and in high sec, IE Proof, or your opinion is invalidated. Period. Chiribba himself acknowledges the possiblity. Mind you, it *is* highly unlikely, because the amount of coordinatin necessary would be beyond epic, but anything flown in space by a player cen be ganked, if enough folks really want it down.
Learn how the game works; you won't make as many silly statements.
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Sosueme Hapytuedispt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2013.09.16 16:54:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:Quote: No, there isn't. Even the mighty Veldnaught can be brought down, if a sufficiently large number of motivated people were to wish it so.
End of story.
LoL. No, it can't. Post a kill, that isen't a war dec, and in high sec, IE Proof, or your opinion is invalidated. Period. Chiribba himself acknowledges the possiblity. Mind you, it *is* highly unlikely, because the amount of coordinatin necessary would be beyond epic, but anything flown in space by a player cen be ganked, if enough folks really want it down. Learn how the game works; you won't make as many silly statements.
You cannot gank the veldnaught, and until you prove otherwise, you are simply ignorant.
Thanks for proving the ultimate point though.
His mining Veldnaught is an ungankable mining ship.
Point proven. |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
4169
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Posted - 2013.09.16 18:36:00 -
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Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:You cannot gank the veldnaught, and until you prove otherwise, you are simply ignorant.
Assuming that it's pimped out (X type hardeners, A type ENAMs, Slaves, Legion boosts, etc), the Veldnaught has a maximum of 13.3m EHP. A tornado volley is about 10k damage. That's ~1400 players max to gank the veldnaught. There are organized groups in the game that can get more than 1400 people in the same place. The veldnaught is possible to gank. Q.E.D.
Arguing that it is impossible solely because it hasn't been done yet is ridiculous. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Sosueme Hapytuedispt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2013.09.16 22:46:00 -
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Yeah, that can't be done. It won't be done. And therefore, it is not gankable. |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
4171
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Posted - 2013.09.16 23:06:00 -
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Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:Yeah, that can't be done. It won't be done. And therefore, it is not gankable.
Now you're changing your argument. Nobody claimed that it was likely that someone would organize a gank of the Veldnaught (even though I seem to remember seeing that it was fitted with a tank of honor), just that it is possible.
As I showed, it is possible. Whether it will or won't be done is way outside the scope of a discussion of possibility (or even feasibility). Gankable = Possible to gank. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Sosueme Hapytuedispt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2013.09.17 00:41:00 -
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Ganking the Veldnaught is impossible. What your getting confused with ungankable is indestructable. |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
4173
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Posted - 2013.09.17 05:37:00 -
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Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:Ganking the Veldnaught is impossible. What your getting confused with ungankable is indestructable.
So what's your definition of "ungankable?"
Quote:Besides the numbers you presented, which you left out a key component of resistances
Ah, you're another one of those who doesn't know what EHP means.
Quote:your 1400 ships that you proposed would be neccesary, have exactly 2 seconds in 1.0 Amarr space to do enough damage before concord arrive,
Nor Alpha.
Quote:His retrofitted Mining ship, the Veldnaught is simply an exception to the rule. There is such a thing as an ungankable mining ship.
I've shown you exactly what it takes to gank the worst case scenario Veldnaught, and explained that there are groups able to field those numbers. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
469
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Posted - 2013.09.17 15:34:00 -
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Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:Yeah, that can't be done. It won't be done. And therefore, it is not gankable. Ah! "Moving the Goalposts." A classic informal argumentative fallacy, frequently used by people losing the argument. |
Sosueme Hapytuedispt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2013.09.17 15:56:00 -
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You've lost the argument.
You either explain, in great detail how you can gank a dreadnaught in 2 seconds flat, or you have no argument and your opinion is invalidated.
You made the claim it could be done. The burden of proof lies with you. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
469
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:00:00 -
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Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:You've lost the argument.
You either explain, in great detail how you can gank a dreadnaught in 2 seconds flat, or you have no argument and your opinion is invalidated.
You made the claim it could be done. The burden of proof lies with you. Nope. It's already been explained, and you're ignoring that post - another argumentative fallacy (Suppressing the Evidence). That's two for two. Give it up; the only thing you can produce are fallacies. |
Vexed Nova
FDA Shipwrights
20
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:26:00 -
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Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:
There are no incorrect fits for barges, only stronger and weaker.
Simply not true. There are a myriad of examples of fits that should be made illegal. I do want to point out, fitting a mining barge with a high sec loadout but using the barge in low or null sec is not just a weaker fit, it is also incorrect.
A large percentage of a fit is less "standard" and more "situational".
That being said, awesome work getting out all the information on your fits. The community appreciates the efforts of people like you.
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Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha
The Scope Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2013.09.17 16:49:00 -
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Vexed Nova wrote:Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote:
There are no incorrect fits for barges, only stronger and weaker.
Simply not true. There are a myriad of examples of fits that should be made illegal. I do want to point out, fitting a mining barge with a high sec loadout but using the barge in low or null sec is not just a weaker fit, it is also incorrect. A large percentage of a fit is less "standard" and more "situational". That being said, awesome work getting out all the information on your fits. The community appreciates the efforts of people like you.
I am glad I could help. Thank You for your imput.
Fly Safe. |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
4180
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:27:00 -
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Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:You've lost the argument.
You either explain, in great detail how you can gank a dreadnaught in 2 seconds flat, or you have no argument and your opinion is invalidated.
You made the claim it could be done. The burden of proof lies with you.
I did explain. Right here. If you don't understand the basic terminology used in my explanation, that's your problem.
Now, what's your definition of "ungankable?" "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
234
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Posted - 2013.09.18 03:20:00 -
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Sosueme Hapytuedispt wrote:You've lost the argument.
You either explain, in great detail how you can gank a dreadnaught in 2 seconds flat, or you have no argument and your opinion is invalidated.
You made the claim it could be done. The burden of proof lies with you.
not sure if moron or just troll.. |
Arkie Velectjarra
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.09.22 14:29:00 -
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Thank you for the fittings. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:45:00 -
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These threads always turn into an argument over who has the biggest epeen.
If you fit a decent tank on your barge it reduces the chance it will get ganked. Many people that gank including myself scan for fittings before they gank. If two barges are in a belt and one has absolutely no tank guess what one I'm going for.
Now there is an other end of this extreme where you could fit T2 rigs and deadspace modules for tank. This might make it an interesting target just for the ISK value on the KB and possible drops.
Yes you still CAN get ganked. Anything can get ganked. Freighters get ganked in Jita so nothing on your mining barge will reach that amount of HP. Now will you get ganked?... Not likely unless it's someone like goons trying to mess with the market. |
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