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Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative.
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:42:00 -
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Kali Vindictus wrote:I've been a EvE addict for a few years now but I can still remember how quickly I was hooked simply on the open sandbox concept the game was based on and how new and unexplored it all appeared. To this day i'm still learning new things, most especially how quickly my shiny things tend to blow up.
But it got me thinking, since EvE is crossing the double digit mark, what was New Eden like for those who have been here since time began? Was it this vast expanse of emptiness with some rats and NPC's thrown in? What was the value of isk by comparison of today's market?
......and more interestingly, what were the forums like?
I remember when i first tryed playing EVE (on an old account i just found out existed last week, as i was digging through a box and found a book of game accounts/passwords i had, and saw that i had an EVE Online account back in Janurary 2004)
brought back so many memories finding that... memories of the most difficlt but awesome game i had played, i was like 9 years old. its what not only turned me on to MMO's as my primary game-focus, but is what drove me to look for sandboxes and consistently be dissappointed they werent "sandy" enough. |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative.
452
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:45:00 -
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Eight Two wrote:Different, highsec was much safer and had fewer people in it because "endgame content" was perceived to be blowing up stuff in 0.0. Considering the most basic stuff - by today's standards - was fairly hard to get, that's not surprising.
Also people could live in their choosen space without having to deal with T3 farming fleets, shooting an inanimate tower for hours on end or getting hotdropped by bored randoms from the other of the universe because they can
Traveling actually meant moving slowly through at times hostile space and actively particpiating in defending your stuff rather than watching a pretty cyno animation or contracting goods to BF. You couldn't cloak through hundreds of systems, if you ran into a gatecamp you better have a bookmark or a combat ship.
A lot of things have improved in the past years, like the big fleet lagfests for instance, the UI which is our window into New Eden, etc.
In a way though, a lot of opportunities for the fabled emergent gameplay have been lost along the way or sacrificed for more diversiity in other areas or player convenience. A little bit of the old deal with it when it comes to certain areas could probably spice things up again.
Imagine what would happen if there was no warp to 0 and no cyno traveling tomorrow. WArp to zero would never happen, because that was done as much for CCP as us, since anyone who bothered to play would have a 0km bookmark set up to get to the gates.
Killing cyno's though i would enjoy, whole reason i closed my lowsec pvp corp and moved into a wormhole alliance was because it eventually turned into me having to call friends from nullsec alliances to cyno in capitals to help defend a POS being camped by other 0.0 players, simply because they had a fleet op nearby adn thought "lol lets trash their tower", since they could just cyno in everything to reinforce it in a amtter of an hour, it wasnt even attemptable to defend. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
366
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:47:00 -
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Velicitia wrote: so, for example, Red Federation wanted a thorax BPO to stick it to those blues ...
Woah, how old IS RvB? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3745
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:55:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:It had the same number of solar systems on the map (there were no w-space systems).
I believe a few areas like Ammatar and Khanid were added a few years later. The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Othran
Route One
458
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:58:00 -
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Wasn't on the beta so I can only say what it was like on release.
The manual was fiction, there were no tutorials*, no agents, no Concorde, no sentry guns, no clones, no implants, nothing larger than cruiser and no market to speak of. There were rats on high-sec gates though which was always amusing
Oh and for the first month or so you could get high-end ore in low-sec places like Jel. Then one day it all magically got transported to null
Frankly anyone who wasn't on the beta or in a corp with beta people had no clue at all what they were doing for the first month. None whatsoever.
It was possible to tank concorde/navy/guns for a long time. That's why not dying to concorde was declared an exploit - lazy coding/balance.
Chaining 50k rats in the arse-end of null was considered the highest earning activity which didn't require a talent for trading so I guess only the figures have changed on that
*there was some attempt to show you what things did but it crashed a lot. I never met anyone who got it to work all the way through in the first month of release.
EDIT - oh and of course there was infinite tracking, falloff and stacking. Things went pop VERY fast indeed. |
Othran
Route One
458
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:11:00 -
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Kali Vindictus wrote:......and more interestingly, what were the forums like?
A lot more brutally modded.
I got temp bans twice IIRC for stuff that people would consider perfectly OK these days.
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Velicitia
Arma Artificer
1275
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Posted - 2013.03.21 19:20:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Velicitia wrote: so, for example, Red Federation wanted a thorax BPO to stick it to those blues ...
Woah, how old IS RvB?
not very, IIRC -- but I was just using them because the person I was responding to was in RvB One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |
Kunming
Viziam Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:17:00 -
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From the 0.0 perspective...
In the beginning there were no conquerable stations in 0.0. Then after 3-4 months they were seeded and quickly claimed by a vast number of different organisations.
Back then there were no POS, you shot a station long enough and it switched ownership. Big groups dominated the political landscape just like today, and the concept of pet alliances or buffer zones existed as well.
Since a couple of smaller groups changing sides could tip the direction of a war there was alot of 0.0 drama going on, which I personally miss.
Alot of players complained about the ping-pong nature of sov warfare; sometimes you woke up and your stations have been taken by a small dedicated group who shot them the whole night while everyone was asleep on a different timezone. It was very annoying OFC, so something had to change. POS were already introduced as operation bases for places far away from stations, so I guess CCP took the simply solution of integrating them in sov warfare, hence one had to beat the POS infrastructure and defenses to get a shot at the station. This was an alright solution for the moment, reinforcement timers provided cover over timezones, etc.
To compensate the tedious job of shooting structures dreadnoughts were introduced. POS spamming became the standard tactic, and the whole sov system showed its big flaws.
CCP tried a number of different approaches which all ended up being gamed by the playerbase. What I consider one of the biggest errors is the introduction of the totally unnecessary super capital class, for a number of reasons including bringing conflict between dominating 0.0 entities to a halt, or creating a high entering barrier for smaller alliances wanting in on 0.0, etc etc.
Another error I consider is the incredible ability to project power over long distances in short amounts of time. In RL big empires usually crumble because it is difficult to project power, even for USA its a big deal to send a carrier task force to the middle east, etc.
So today we pretty much have the same state in 0.0 as in the beginning, except now sov warfare is beyond broken, there are these things called super caps which everyone is piling up, but is afraid to use, pvpers looking for a real fight where their piloting capabilities matter now avoid 0.0 and aim for WHs or low-sec...
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Kye Do'lan
The Whitesands Consortium
47
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:25:00 -
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Gary Goat wrote:I started playing just after the first expansion was released. That expansion included interceptors and the first t2 modules.
Battleships were the biggest class of ships, no capital ships at all (including freighters). Also no tier 3 battleships. There were no battlecruisers or destoryers No warp to zero, it was 15km minimum Cruisers were considered pretty expensive, if you had a battleship you were rich. Torps did splash damage Stacking penalties didn't exist, Gankgeddons with 8 heatsinks in the low were pretty common. You could stack mwds and go really really fast. No probes or cloaks You couldn't make alliances No pos or outposts No level 4 agents No deadspace complexes
You could also web torps and cruise missiles back then made it fun when camping in null. I started in june 2003
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Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
76
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:01:00 -
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The days when 3000 players on at the same time was amazing, and a missile Battleships were the kind |
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Bohoba
Blue Ice Melts
41
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:13:00 -
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click anywhere in space and warp there till your cap ran out :) I saw the EVE Grid once took me a few days to warp that far lol
4 hours to take a pos or station down Torps were the King 1 shot frigs if they were dumb enough to wait till it hit em 2 min filght time lol no caps ships ....wish that was back
inty doing 30+K with muti mwd's lol
man some things were a blast thats for sure humm |
The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
7
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:18:00 -
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Eve was the greatest when nightfreeze had control |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
918
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:38:00 -
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Bohoba wrote:
man some things were a blast thats for sure
And so it was ........ i feel like crying now
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Fatbear
Starwinders SCUM.
22
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Posted - 2013.03.22 08:03:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:bigger and better.
Prime example is: If you wanted your stuff moved down to 0.0, you would form a gang, get a freighter and escort it down there. You'd fight off small raiding gangs if you could, and have to battle your way past larger ones. These days you undock, right click and jump to destination.
Which do you think makes for a better game? The answer is obvious, but EVE is too busy for fun features now, so a better game is neither achievable or profitable.
This ladyman speaks the truth. Some of the best fights/fleets I ever had were large freighter escort convoys, commerce raiding and supply chain interdictions. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire
330
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Posted - 2013.03.22 09:10:00 -
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People were more friendly just on principle. Everyone knew the local pirate (yep just one) and if he was out and active people would spread the news pretty fast. If you came across someone who were neutral in local it was a friendly wave and maybe some small chatter before you went on your way. ISK ment more, and loosing a BS was a big deal, and Yulai was the only real tradehub Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Dalmont Delantee
Dropbears with Kebabs SpaceMonkey's Alliance
118
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Posted - 2013.03.22 09:22:00 -
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Lets see in my day it was:
- Lag, Yulai, Lag, lag and a bit more lag - Low sec was generally safe, no gate camps other than M00 - Everyone was NICE, litterally everyone seemed friendly, except M00 (they were the Goons of the day as in did weird stuff) - Mining with 7 t2 lasers in a megathron - Isk was hard to come by, you really had to work for it and 50K really was a good mark up - Low population meant that the world seemed empty and you were the first person there...sadly lost - No warp to 0 so bookmarking was a serious skill, and profitable to sell - If you had a battleship you were a god!
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ZAKURELL0 LINDA
Arkhon Industries Solarmark Coalition
1
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Posted - 2013.03.22 09:52:00 -
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Dalmont Delantee wrote: Oh I forgot
- no 24hr skill queue, so setting alarms for 3am to make sure you don't miss those precious hours of training!
+1 for the alarm. and reminded that there is no 1phone by the time, good luck :)
<-- started 2005, recently return losing the old a/c |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
284
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Posted - 2013.03.22 10:10:00 -
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no cap ships
no jump bridges
no stacking penalties
no warp to zero
for people that love the cut throat style of eve it was the best.
Need to move? You're going to have to expose your assets or start anew wherever you're going.
Need a fight? Fleet up and go look for one. Sound like today? Oh... perhaps I forgot to mention that when you engaged someone and they started losing, they couldn't magically make a trillion isk fleet appear right beside you.
The ability to move anywhere instantly and to instantly be able to project your force across space has shrunk the game in not a good way.
You think the big blue donut would exist if people knew it would be likely hour(s) before someone's allies could come bail them out of a bad situation? Or if your only response to being one-upped on a battlefield wasn't to immediately cyno your entire capital fleet onto the enemy?
Supercaps and the sov bungle.... moons that never deplete their resources... so many things have been introduced poorly that we've just swept under the carpet.
I'm definitely one of those that fondly remembers the old days.
I'd like to see sov and cap warfare get fixed with the specific intention of making massive power blocks as incredibly difficult to maintain as possible. (This is eve, we want war, not NAP fests that allow the imbedded to farm their 10trillion isk wallets into a 100trillion isk wallets. 0.0 has always been about the big money (it comes with the risk) but it's just all gone so terribly terribly wrong.)
I'd like to see travel become a bit more of a pain in the ass again and distance across space become the equalizing element it once was.
I'd like to see much, much more space. Space should grow as our populations do. So much space it can't be controlled. Something to restore the perception of the universe being massively huge and empty awaiting opportunity. I can't explain what it was like to fly through such sparsely populated regions, but it just had an ambiance I have only since seen in wormholes (and bravo to CCP for that)
oh, and did I mention no stacking mods? Yes I did, and it was stupidly OP and awesome (no, it was good they fixed that). And fitting restrictions period were lax. BS mods on frigates, or how about 3 MWDs on your tempest?
Good times. Today looking back there is much nostalgia. However I can't say enough how great CCP has evolved this game. The current state of UI improvements, the quality they've rededicated themselves towards... it's just smashing, excellent, best MMO of all time.
.....If only we could fix 0.0 and cap warfare.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
918
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Posted - 2013.03.22 10:25:00 -
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Dalmont Delantee wrote:Lets see in my day it was:
- Lag, Yulai, Lag, lag and a bit more lag - Low sec was generally safe, no gate camps other than M00 - Everyone was NICE, litterally everyone seemed friendly, except M00 (they were the Goons of the day as in did weird stuff) - Mining with 7 t2 lasers in a megathron- Isk was hard to come by, you really had to work for it and 50K really was a good mark up - Low population meant that the world seemed empty and you were the first person there...sadly lost - No warp to 0 so bookmarking was a serious skill, and profitable to sell - If you had a battleship you were a god!
Oh I forgot
- no 24hr skill queue, so setting alarms for 3am to make sure you don't miss those precious hours of training!
How dare you not mention the MIGHTY APOC ... the god of mining
And indeed allmost everyone was friendly , chattered before and after killing/being killed.Offcourse people got butthurt but not as these days where people get BUTTHUUUUUUUUUURT over nothing.
My favourite was a raven fitted in meds with allmost only sensor boosters and low only ballistic controls .... you could allmost instalock and instakill anything smaller then a bs when gatecamping in null.No stacking penalty was fun :)
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14585
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Posted - 2013.03.22 10:38:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Dalmont Delantee wrote:Lets see in my day it was:
- Lag, Yulai, Lag, lag and a bit more lag - Low sec was generally safe, no gate camps other than M00 - Everyone was NICE, litterally everyone seemed friendly, except M00 (they were the Goons of the day as in did weird stuff) - Mining with 7 t2 lasers in a megathron- Isk was hard to come by, you really had to work for it and 50K really was a good mark up - Low population meant that the world seemed empty and you were the first person there...sadly lost - No warp to 0 so bookmarking was a serious skill, and profitable to sell - If you had a battleship you were a god!
Oh I forgot
- no 24hr skill queue, so setting alarms for 3am to make sure you don't miss those precious hours of training! How dare you not mention the MIGHTY APOC ... the god of mining And indeed allmost everyone was friendly , chattered before and after killing/being killed.Offcourse people got butthurt but not as these days where people get BUTTHUUUUUUUUUURT over nothing. My favourite was a raven fitted in meds with allmost only sensor boosters and low only ballistic controls .... you could allmost instalock and instakill anything smaller then a bs when gatecamping in null.No stacking penalty was fun :) Do you remember when the mega pulse Raven did the rounds?
I also use to hunt ceptors in my buzzard, as it was pre ECM nerf. (not this char) Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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Winters Chill
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2013.03.22 10:46:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Merouk Baas wrote:It had the same number of solar systems on the map (there were no w-space systems). I believe a few areas like Ammatar and Khanid were added a few years later.
Nope, they were in since the game went gold.
I remember the miniature electronics exploit relating to Khanid space with NPC station trading.
Much of the old money of Eve made thier first billion that way.
Oh and sarum prime was 0.4 sec
And there where no goons, only Mo0. |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.03.22 10:54:00 -
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less children played EVE too, it'd be interesting to see a user age graph over time if there was one. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
919
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Posted - 2013.03.22 10:55:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:less children played EVE too, it'd be interesting to see a user age graph over time if there was one.
Less children played mmorpgs in general back then i'd say .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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SenshiMaru
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
33
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Posted - 2013.03.22 11:18:00 -
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Does anyone else remember being able to bookmark missiles mid-flight? |
Gary Goat
XDC-UK
29
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Posted - 2013.03.22 11:20:00 -
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flakeys wrote:How dare you not mention the MIGHTY APOC ... the god of mining
I think you'll find the domi with 6 t2 lasers and 15 harvester drones was the god of mining
Damn expensive though. |
PRO CYLON
The Logs Show Nothing
2
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:02:00 -
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Hi
When I started in 2004 ;
3000 players was the norm with a peak of 7000 on weekends
A battleship was an expensive item and it was considered a big deal if you 'lost' one.
Mining was a reasonable profession - in fact I mined for my first BS with a cruiser !
Missiles hit for full damage, regardless of target size.
15 mil skill points was considered godly.
Space seemed so big and empty .
And you could happily rat in a 0.4 undisturbed for hours on end - except for the one pirate that may stop by for a conversation.
( He would leave you alone if you where polite enough )
And finally that first 10 mil isk ( for a crusier ) was the hardest 10 mil you would ever make! |
Krax As
Silent Tears in Space
11
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:35:00 -
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i am not a first mover but still remember minining in BS (mega with all mining lasers) and real dedicated haulers and dedicated protection... that was fun. sneaking into low / null to get the "holy grail of ores".....
trading bookmarks and / or paying hefty sums for them. and stealing them was a profession (like "i have the BM-¦s of this / that corp... want to buy ?")
pirates ransomed and let you live afterwards.
people were friendly and polite, treid to help each other out more. no null-pvp-high-carebear wars and everyone really seemed to understand that it all was intertwined and connected. that you really needed each other.
building the first battleship was such a big goal .... actually being able to fly one too.
losing stuff meant hard work to get it back.
isk was premium and having millions was a LOT of money.
not so many players had alts and multiple toons. 10k players was A LOT being online.
it all seemed so big. so endless in possibilities. and stuff like "one day i will have my own star system" was a real possibility. now its either you are a hardcore metagaming t33l pvp that looks down and talsk down to others or a whining carebear. the real nice and friendly community is almost gone. at least hard to find |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:52:00 -
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Krax As wrote:i am not a first mover but still remember minining in BS (mega with all mining lasers) and real dedicated haulers and dedicated protection... that was fun. sneaking into low / null to get the "holy grail of ores".....
trading bookmarks and / or paying hefty sums for them. and stealing them was a profession (like "i have the BM-¦s of this / that corp... want to buy ?")
pirates ransomed and let you live afterwards.
people were friendly and polite, treid to help each other out more. no null-pvp-high-carebear wars and everyone really seemed to understand that it all was intertwined and connected. that you really needed each other.
building the first battleship was such a big goal .... actually being able to fly one too.
losing stuff meant hard work to get it back.
isk was premium and having millions was a LOT of money.
not so many players had alts and multiple toons. 10k players was A LOT being online.
it all seemed so big. so endless in possibilities. and stuff like "one day i will have my own star system" was a real possibility. now its either you are a hardcore metagaming t33l pvp that looks down and talsk down to others or a whining carebear. the real nice and friendly community is almost gone. at least hard to find
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John Grimm
Rendili StarDrive Yards
0
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:53:00 -
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Wow, its been so long, remember when the caps where first introduced and the speculation that went on as to who will produce the 1st one ever, and the discussions that went on as the market showed a Titan BPO had been purchased was epic.
Building caps in Hi Sec. Making sure more than half your moons where covered by POSes so as to make sure you keep SOV. The T2 lottery and the prayers that went with that? The King that Apoc was at mining. :) Steel and Iron guard me well, or else i'm dead and doomed to Hell |
Djana Libra
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
117
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:56:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Nova Satar wrote:bigger and better.
Prime example is: If you wanted your stuff moved down to 0.0, you would form a gang, get a freighter and escort it down there. You'd fight off small raiding gangs if you could, and have to battle your way past larger ones. These days you undock, right click and jump to destination.
Which do you think makes for a better game? The answer is obvious, but EVE is too busy for fun features now, so a better game is neither achievable or profitable. So you are saying a logistic nightmare for larger alliances and groups in nul is your idea of a better game? Alarm clock ops, which only dedicated players can make is a better game than one where even casual players who can contribute 3 hours during their timezone's evening hours is a better game? I understand the desired for good fights, but a return to such days seems like making eve more pf a job for many, not a game. That risks alienating the player base and does not see like a wise idea.
Yes it was more fun, you actually had to work together to make things happen, you got to know ur corp members a lot better and it was more a trust thing to get stuff done (opening for theft, treason etc). Also maybe the alliances nowadays are just too big?? It's just how you look at it. But in general a lot of things have been made easier where the older players liked to really feel the cold and harsh space reality.
I enjoyed finally getting that battleship to use after mining a month in a cruiser. The rewards where a lot more personal gratification (if you need a BS these days you drop a carrier on rats for 30 mins)
But yeah that took time, effort, trust and patience, and the xbox/playstation generation lack those skills.. |
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