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DrunkenNinja
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
116
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Posted - 2013.03.22 06:53:00 -
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CCP allows players to have 3 characters per account. Only one character per account can be online, so in most cases only a single character will regularly undock. This allows countless opportunities for the evasion of repercussions within EVE. I consider scout alts, scam alts, troll alts (etc) to be brutally overpowered as they allow you to mask your true affiliation and identity.
If someone scams you on an account that never undocks, you can never have your revenge. Heck they can even biomass the character and make a new one for exactly the same purpose. Think about what EVE would be like if you could only have one account. Everything anyone ever did or wrote would be on a character that undocks, so if you didn't like the, you could grief them at a later date (a common theme within EVE).
Would this make the game better or worse? |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2276
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Posted - 2013.03.22 06:55:00 -
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Why did you post that on a throwaway alt?
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
DrunkenNinja
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
116
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Posted - 2013.03.22 07:01:00 -
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This is my main character. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
931
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Posted - 2013.03.22 07:16:00 -
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I don't much like indy/pve/market alts being disconnected from mains either
Then again, alts do facilitate certain gameplay styles such as spying |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force Caldari State Capturing
220
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Posted - 2013.03.22 07:18:00 -
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DrunkenNinja wrote:CCP allows players to have 3 characters per account. Only one character per account can be online, so in most cases only a single character will regularly undock. This allows countless opportunities for the evasion of repercussions within EVE. I consider scout alts, scam alts, troll alts (etc) to be brutally overpowered as they allow you to mask your true affiliation and identity.
If someone scams you on an account that never undocks, you can never have your revenge. Heck they can even biomass the character and make a new one for exactly the same purpose. Think about what EVE would be like if you could only have one account. Everything anyone ever did or wrote would be on a character that undocks, so if you didn't like the, you could grief them at a later date (a common theme within EVE).
Would this make the game better or worse?
Each character is a different persona. On one of them you can be a pirating ******* - on the other you can be a friendly market trader or industrialist. It allows some flexibility with a players reputation that allows them to have some peace and quiet. |
Ai Shun
916
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Posted - 2013.03.22 07:23:00 -
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DrunkenNinja wrote:Think about what EVE would be like if you could only have one account.
How would you prevent somebody from having multiple accounts?
Malcanis for CSM7 - here Malcanis on High-sec - here |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
392
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Posted - 2013.03.22 07:28:00 -
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Short answer: yes. But I have learned to stop worrying and love the bomb. |
DrunkenNinja
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
117
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Posted - 2013.03.22 07:29:00 -
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Sorry I meant character. You couldn't but at least it costs money or in game resources to have multiple accounts. |
S'Way
Bitter Vets
481
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Posted - 2013.03.22 07:38:00 -
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DrunkenNinja wrote: Would this make the game better or worse?
A lot worse - logistics for 0.0 would become a nightmare for a start, people would have to train all the skills they wanted on one character = new players couldn't focus their skill training as much, so would then have a valid point about older players having an unfair advantage.
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Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
278
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Posted - 2013.03.22 07:52:00 -
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S'Way wrote: people would have to train all the skills they wanted on one character
EGADS Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
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Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
279
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Posted - 2013.03.22 08:36:00 -
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If eve really found a way to restrict game characters to one per person...
Then EVE would be a lot better in terms of RP, consequences and responsibility.
There would be less scamming, because scamming would be a lifetime choice, with no way to make a new face and transfer all ill gotten wealth.
Piracy and honor would make more sense, people would build relations on trust.
However now it is 1000% anonymous, make new alt, gank, cheat, whine and troll on forums, infiltrate spy... do crazy monkey shi and then biomass your character. Abuse of alts make game sickening. |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1050
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Posted - 2013.03.22 08:40:00 -
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DrunkenNinja wrote:CCP allows players to have 3 characters per account. Only one character per account can be online, so in most cases only a single character will regularly undock. This allows countless opportunities for the evasion of repercussions within EVE. I consider scout alts, scam alts, troll alts (etc) to be brutally overpowered as they allow you to mask your true affiliation and identity.
If someone scams you on an account that never undocks, you can never have your revenge. Heck they can even biomass the character and make a new one for exactly the same purpose. Think about what EVE would be like if you could only have one character per account. Everything anyone ever did or wrote would be on a character that undocks, so if you didn't like the, you could grief them at a later date (a common theme within EVE).
Would this make the game better or worse? don't get scammed in the first place , third rule of eveonline if it is too good to be true it is a scam problem solved I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Boston Bradley
Saturday Night Palsy Catastrophic Uprising
43
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Posted - 2013.03.22 08:53:00 -
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Should cops be able to ticket ALL YOUR CARS because it's an unfair advantage if you only drive one of them? |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14582
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Posted - 2013.03.22 09:19:00 -
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All I read was: "Almost everyone else copes with the rules and mechanics of Eve. But I don't, so want CCP to change it around me." Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1234
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Posted - 2013.03.22 09:22:00 -
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S'Way wrote:DrunkenNinja wrote: Would this make the game better or worse?
A lot worse - logistics for 0.0 would become a nightmare for a start, people would have to train all the skills they wanted on one character = new players couldn't focus their skill training as much, so would then have a valid point about older players having an unfair advantage.
This actually goes both ways. By eliminating alt accounts you actually OPEN up professions that are generally new player friendly but are usually just done with alts. Not to mention that in regards to logistics it opens up career opportunities for those who wish to pursue logistics instead of every person doing their own with alts.
Now for the record I'm not against alts per say, just looking at things from a different perspective. Don't Vote for Malcanis
New Eden Training Simulation. -áIdea to improve NPE. |
Zimmy Zeta
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
11690
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Posted - 2013.03.22 09:45:00 -
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We had this discussion several times already. Yes, NPC corp alts are so powerful that they have regrettably become a necessity for every player. What we need is an encouragement to have "menial" tasks done by actual corp members and not outsource all vulnerable logistics and infrastructure to npc corps.
I have always been in favor of a "transaction" tax whenever you transfer money in between characters. This tax could be at zero if both characters are in the same corp, very low if they are in the same alliance and rather high if one or both of them are in an npc corp. Sec status should largely affect the transaction tax...if a sec 5.0 industrialist alt sends large amounts of money to his sec -9.9 pirate main, it is money laundry after all and concord shouldn't like that. Please don't feed me. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14584
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Posted - 2013.03.22 09:51:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:We had this discussion several times already. Yes, NPC corp alts are so powerful that they have regrettably become a necessity for every player. What we need is an encouragement to have "menial" tasks done by actual corp members and not outsource all vulnerable logistics and infrastructure to npc corps.
I have always been in favor of a "transaction" tax whenever you transfer money in between characters. This tax could be at zero if both characters are in the same corp, very low if they are in the same alliance and rather high if one or both of them are in an npc corp. Sec status should largely affect the transaction tax...if a sec 5.0 industrialist alt sends large amounts of money to his sec -9.9 pirate main, it is money laundry after all and concord shouldn't like that. Yea and individual players in a permanent war alliance, should be charged 50 million ISK per day each for it's upkeep.
I think you're on to something here. Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Zimmy Zeta
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
11691
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Posted - 2013.03.22 10:00:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:We had this discussion several times already. Yes, NPC corp alts are so powerful that they have regrettably become a necessity for every player. What we need is an encouragement to have "menial" tasks done by actual corp members and not outsource all vulnerable logistics and infrastructure to npc corps.
I have always been in favor of a "transaction" tax whenever you transfer money in between characters. This tax could be at zero if both characters are in the same corp, very low if they are in the same alliance and rather high if one or both of them are in an npc corp. Sec status should largely affect the transaction tax...if a sec 5.0 industrialist alt sends large amounts of money to his sec -9.9 pirate main, it is money laundry after all and concord shouldn't like that. Yea and individual players in a permanent war alliance, should be charged 50 million ISK per day each for it's upkeep. I think you're on to something here.
Your point?
If under those rules my carebear NPC alt transfered money to my RvB main, I would lose about 15% of the money due to tax..so maybe it would encourage me to go shoot red crosses with my main instead- at the risk of being attacked by WTs while I do it. More pvp = good for the game.
I am not saying that transactions to outlaw characters should be impossible, I was just proposing that they would cost a little extra (maybe 5%). Please don't feed me. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14584
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Posted - 2013.03.22 10:03:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Your point? It's pointless.
Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Whitehound
1342
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Posted - 2013.03.22 11:05:00 -
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Boston Bradley wrote:Should cops be able to ticket ALL YOUR CARS because it's an unfair advantage if you only drive one of them?
That is one of the worst analogies I have seen lately.
Who is paying those tickets? Is it you or is it your cars?
And what happens when a judge sends you to prison, because you killed someone with one of your cars? Do you get out free, because you still have other cars for killing people? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1076
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Posted - 2013.03.22 11:16:00 -
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Why is this even up for discussion? Seriously? CCP is built on Eve which is built on alts, same account or not. Grow up! HTFU!...for the children! |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1785
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Posted - 2013.03.22 11:18:00 -
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DrunkenNinja wrote: I consider scout alts, scam alts, troll alts (etc) to be brutally overpowered as they allow you to mask your true affiliation and identity.
Newsflash - your EVE character is not your true identity. It's a game. They're pretend people.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
267
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Posted - 2013.03.22 11:22:00 -
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I'll dec the next one who uses words as overpowered, nerf etc etc....... HTFU and play eve..... Psychotic Monk for CSM |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2013.03.22 11:23:00 -
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ahem |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1085
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Posted - 2013.03.22 11:33:00 -
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Roime wrote:Why did you post that on a throwaway alt?
Irony?
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2985
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:42:00 -
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Wow, imagine people tried finding friends, instead of using alts. Or worse, that people had to commit being outlaws!
Sorry, we can not have that. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2985
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:45:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:I'll dec the next one who uses words as overpowered, nerf etc etc....... HTFU and play eve..... Your threat seems to mirror that your abilities are overpowered and thus should be nerfd. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
859
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Posted - 2013.03.22 12:50:00 -
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Yes alts are severely OP when used for negative purposes, and do remove all consequences for certain things.
Fixable? Not really. I suppose you could make it a bit harder to use them by only allowing characters to biomass out their skills / avatar / remaps but keeping their name / employment history. But a good scam or theft will give more than enough money to buy another entirely new account. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
350
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Posted - 2013.03.22 13:33:00 -
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Sean Parisi wrote:DrunkenNinja wrote:CCP allows players to have 3 characters per account. Only one character per account can be online, so in most cases only a single character will regularly undock. This allows countless opportunities for the evasion of repercussions within EVE. I consider scout alts, scam alts, troll alts (etc) to be brutally overpowered as they allow you to mask your true affiliation and identity.
If someone scams you on an account that never undocks, you can never have your revenge. Heck they can even biomass the character and make a new one for exactly the same purpose. Think about what EVE would be like if you could only have one account. Everything anyone ever did or wrote would be on a character that undocks, so if you didn't like the, you could grief them at a later date (a common theme within EVE).
Would this make the game better or worse? Each character is a different persona. On one of them you can be a pirating ******* - on the other you can be a friendly market trader or industrialist. It allows some flexibility with a players reputation that allows them to have some peace and quiet.
I was told I would have to cope with the consequence of any action I take in this game. Why is it not the case as long as you use an alt? |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1718
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Posted - 2013.03.22 14:13:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:We had this discussion several times already. Yes, NPC corp alts are so powerful that they have regrettably become a necessity for every player. What we need is an encouragement to have "menial" tasks done by actual corp members and not outsource all vulnerable logistics and infrastructure to npc corps.
I have always been in favor of a "transaction" tax whenever you transfer money in between characters. This tax could be at zero if both characters are in the same corp, very low if they are in the same alliance and rather high if one or both of them are in an npc corp. Sec status should largely affect the transaction tax...if a sec 5.0 industrialist alt sends large amounts of money to his sec -9.9 pirate main, it is money laundry after all and concord shouldn't like that. I think people would skirt around the tax by space trading valuable items. Abandon a frigate full of Morphite at a safe spot. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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