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Grendel Sickswitch
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Posted - 2013.03.23 19:08:00 -
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when i solo plex i let anyone come into the plex i'm in. i really don't care, it's not "my plex" and i didn't do much "work" on it. a few seconds shooting a single npc and then floating in space for a few minutes.
it seems most militia mates i've come across will actually tell you to leave "their" plex and shoot you if you don't.
i find this a bit sad. |
L'ouris
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:29:00 -
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It's because you are running into folk plexing for their income.
Since the timer doesn't speed up with multiple players on the button, but does split the earned lp among all folk in capture range, any time you drop in on a plex someone else is running without an invitation, you are literally accomplishing nothing but screwing the both of you out of lp.
Get in a capture fleet or two, its more common for small gangs to plex together closer to the front. This is when the plexes are being run more for system control than isk so the "protocol" is different. Even then, unless your gang is contesting sites it's usually better for everyone to scatter to a different site to knock the system down as fast as possible.
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Grendel Sickswitch
18
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:35:00 -
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i don't mind sharing LP with militia mates. |
L'ouris
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:59:00 -
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You clear the plex, your rules until someone fights you for control :)
The issue you are running into, is that you are hurting their ability to make money while they are out to make money.
This makes them grumpy. If you took the plex, and someone jumps into it, feel free to fleet up and share the lp.
It sounds like you are not plexing with isk/hr as the goal, which is good. Just remember some others are, and if you crash their plex without invitation, you are screwing with their math formula.
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Grendel Sickswitch
18
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:57:00 -
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i hear ya, just seems stupid militia fighting amongst themselves. imagine you jump into an enemy plex and the two wts are fighting each other lol |
Plato Forko
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Hopeless Addiction
3
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:10:00 -
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when that happens the protocol is to guess who is worth more and ***** on the km |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1605
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Posted - 2013.03.24 04:34:00 -
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it is in general considered "not nice" if you enter a plex short before the timer ends, without warping out or moving out of range of the beacon. But it all depends on the context and the actual situation in system. Enable your brain and be friendly and nobody will shoot you unless someone joined militia for friendly fire in the frist place. a eve-style bounty system (done)-á dust boarding parties You fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2127
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Posted - 2013.03.24 05:16:00 -
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Gain a reputation for killing friendlies (or find and join people who already have it). No one will complain about some lost LP when your mere presence threatens THEIR existence. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Grayson Cole
R.A.V.E.N.
0
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Posted - 2013.03.24 05:18:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:it is in general considered "not nice" if you enter a plex short before the timer ends, without warping out or moving out of range of the beacon.
That's crap.
The plexing system is a free-for-all, and while it sucks to run down a timer only to have someone else warp in at the last minute, it's not the end of the world to share LP. If they are making it a habit to follow you around and leech, then that's one thing.
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Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
38
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Posted - 2013.03.24 08:42:00 -
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Grayson Cole wrote:Bienator II wrote:it is in general considered "not nice" if you enter a plex short before the timer ends, without warping out or moving out of range of the beacon. That's crap. The plexing system is a free-for-all, and while it sucks to run down a timer only to have someone else warp in at the last minute, it's not the end of the world to share LP. If they are making it a habit to follow you around and leech, then that's one thing. You need to consider that most people in FW are after easy LP and nothing else.
Sadly, that's the state of FW especially now with constant T4 bonus. pew pew |
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Leper ofBacon
HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN
6
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Posted - 2013.03.24 10:08:00 -
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Regardless of what anyone wants or some kind of FW 'etiquette', unless you are going in at the last minute and snatching a bit of LP you will both make more cash and do more damage to the control of the system if you go to your own plex. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
393
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Posted - 2013.03.24 10:48:00 -
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It is not about players, it is about game mechanics that do not support team play. Split lp = no team play. |
Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
125
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:04:00 -
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Train for missions.... |
Juoi Milar
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
0
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Posted - 2013.03.24 13:25:00 -
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You also need to consider other factors, when your fighting for the militia, you don't have much time to make isk. Add to that the ships that a player is losing and you may realise that the time that a player spends plexing is important to them.
It is fair to say that in a dangerous system that still needs plexing/de-plexing for the good of your prospective Nation, help would be welcomed. But in a system where a player is in no danger and in control of what is going on, there is little point of sharing very valuable LP and by you trying to share you are actually not helping the militia effort as plexing a seperate site of your own would reap more benefits to you and to the war. |
Hannah Achasse
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.03.24 14:08:00 -
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Make corp member go BOOM is game of point. Why play for game to pay if not shoot? |
Grayson Cole
R.A.V.E.N.
0
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Posted - 2013.03.24 15:05:00 -
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Juoi Milar wrote:You also need to consider other factors, when your fighting for the militia, you don't have much time to make isk. Add to that the ships that a player is losing and you may realise that the time that a player spends plexing is important to them.
Then you're doing it wrong. Making ISK is one of the biggest attractions to FW. The barrier to entry is low, the ships required are cheap, and the potential rewards are high. Yes, it's not as lucrative as it once was, but still very easy to turn a profit. I know a lot of players who still have hundreds of Navy Scorpions to sell. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
285
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Posted - 2013.03.25 05:40:00 -
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Farmers have no use for LP/isk so the real militia members might as well take it for useful purposes.
A higher number in your wallet doesn't help your faction - so if you look like a State Pro farmer - I'll drop myself and my alt in your plex and take 2/3 of your LP.
My favorites are the Militia with incorrect overview setups who leave the plex when I warp in - leaving me very little of the timer to run. :)
I often get paid out on mediums for only 1-2 min of button spinning. Being -5 has advantages.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
BadFC
BadFleet
2
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:56:00 -
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Grendel Sickswitch wrote:when i solo plex i let anyone come into the plex i'm in. i really don't care, it's not "my plex" and i didn't do much "work" on it. a few seconds shooting a single npc and then floating in space for a few minutes.
it seems most militia mates i've come across will actually tell you to leave "their" plex and shoot you if you don't.
i find this a bit sad.
run missions. |
BadFC
BadFleet
2
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:57:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Farmers have no use for LP/isk so the real militia members might as well take it for useful purposes.
A higher number in your wallet doesn't help your faction - so if you look like a State Pro farmer - I'll drop myself and my alt in your plex and take 2/3 of your LP.
My favorites are the Militia with incorrect overview setups who leave the plex when I warp in - leaving me very little of the timer to run. :)
I often get paid out on mediums for only 1-2 min of button spinning. Being -5 has advantages.
that's awesome... |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
296
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Posted - 2013.03.28 00:56:00 -
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BadFC wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Farmers have no use for LP/isk so the real militia members might as well take it for useful purposes.
A higher number in your wallet doesn't help your faction - so if you look like a State Pro farmer - I'll drop myself and my alt in your plex and take 2/3 of your LP.
My favorites are the Militia with incorrect overview setups who leave the plex when I warp in - leaving me very little of the timer to run. :)
I often get paid out on mediums for only 1-2 min of button spinning. Being -5 has advantages.
that's awesome...
Awesomeness is our specialty. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
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Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome
329
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Posted - 2013.03.28 08:25:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:BadFC wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Farmers have no use for LP/isk so the real militia members might as well take it for useful purposes.
A higher number in your wallet doesn't help your faction - so if you look like a State Pro farmer - I'll drop myself and my alt in your plex and take 2/3 of your LP.
My favorites are the Militia with incorrect overview setups who leave the plex when I warp in - leaving me very little of the timer to run. :)
I often get paid out on mediums for only 1-2 min of button spinning. Being -5 has advantages.
that's awesome... Awesomeness is our specialty.
Not empty quoting.....Awesomeness is actually our specialty That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy Samurai Pizza Cats
121
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Posted - 2013.03.28 14:46:00 -
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Yeah...
I'll check employment histories first. If I see they're a week old character with only the newb corp and the NPC militia corp in their history they'll get asked to leave before I shoot. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1225
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:25:00 -
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Grendel Sickswitch wrote:when i solo plex i let anyone come into the plex i'm in. i really don't care, it's not "my plex" and i didn't do much "work" on it. a few seconds shooting a single npc and then floating in space for a few minutes.
it seems most militia mates i've come across will actually tell you to leave "their" plex and shoot you if you don't.
i find this a bit sad.
There are douchebags in all walks of life. The anonymity of the intarwebs bring out the inner douchebag of those too chicken-sh!t to do it in real life. Someone drops in on my plexes I just leave; I have no desire to share the LP when I'm plexing. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Apelacja
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.03.29 10:49:00 -
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so just shoot thoose lp leachers. what the problem? |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1228
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Posted - 2013.03.29 16:03:00 -
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Apelacja wrote:so just shoot thoose lp leachers. what the problem?
Shooting someone else in your militia (unless they are clearly awoxers or douchebags like Cynthia's alts) is just f***ing wrong and messed up. That's like the kind of scumbags that jump on old people for their purses, and then whine like little b!tches and pee their pants when confronted by real men. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Ujio Sendai
Reclamation Technologies Libertus Coventu Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.03.29 18:34:00 -
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I'm in the preparation phase of PvP, been reading alot and practicing with different modules and what not.
Anyhow, just reading stuff like this gives great insight into EVE pvp. Not so much that people shooting their own milita happens, but the fact that not a single person mentions the arrival of what should be a team mate as a good thing. Or even that finding another "team" mate is a good thing. Instead the instant inclination in this game is to run??? That's what the census here is stating afterall.
Seriously, I'm a pvp newb, but wouldn't the idea be to form fleets with the people you meet since you're both after the same goal anyhow??? AND THEN.... get this... If you encounter a "real" enemy, not a "team" mate you could then fight as a group, and maybe stand a better chance of winning right?
I still plan on giving it a try someday, but all I can say is greedy ****s are not fun to play with. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1228
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Posted - 2013.03.29 18:47:00 -
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Ujio Sendai wrote:I'm in the preparation phase of PvP, been reading alot and practicing with different modules and what not.
Anyhow, just reading stuff like this gives great insight into EVE pvp. Not so much that people shooting their own milita happens, but the fact that not a single person mentions the arrival of what should be a team mate as a good thing. Or even that finding another "team" mate is a good thing. Instead the instant inclination in this game is to run??? That's what the census here is stating afterall.
Seriously, I'm a pvp newb, but wouldn't the idea be to form fleets with the people you meet since you're both after the same goal anyhow??? AND THEN.... get this... If you encounter a "real" enemy, not a "team" mate you could then fight as a group, and maybe stand a better chance of winning right?
I still plan on giving it a try someday, but all I can say is greedy ****s are not fun to play with.
There are a lot of people in EveO that play on the basis of FPS game, and not the largely social aspect of this game. Sure, a "teammate" member of your faction may drop by... but if he arrives with alts or neutrals, chances are you're about to die. Period. Play with the assumption that anyone you meet out in space that you can't clearly overpower will try to kill you; it's all about the killmail for many. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Ujio Sendai
Reclamation Technologies Libertus Coventu Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.03.29 18:55:00 -
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Thanks Ginger, I will play with the highest degree of paranoia and the itchiest of trigger fingers. |
Klarion Sythis
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
170
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Posted - 2013.03.29 20:08:00 -
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Ujio Sendai wrote:I'm in the preparation phase of PvP, been reading alot and practicing with different modules and what not.
Anyhow, just reading stuff like this gives great insight into EVE pvp. Not so much that people shooting their own milita happens, but the fact that not a single person mentions the arrival of what should be a team mate as a good thing. Or even that finding another "team" mate is a good thing. Instead the instant inclination in this game is to run??? That's what the census here is stating afterall.
Seriously, I'm a pvp newb, but wouldn't the idea be to form fleets with the people you meet since you're both after the same goal anyhow??? AND THEN.... get this... If you encounter a "real" enemy, not a "team" mate you could then fight as a group, and maybe stand a better chance of winning right?
I still plan on giving it a try someday, but all I can say is greedy ****s are not fun to play with. EVE will change the way you look at games. This isn't just an issue of EVE having a ton of team killers in it. If I go make a Caldari alt does that make my alt your teammate? My main interests still lie with the Gallente and if I've gone to the trouble of making that alt it's probably for the purpose of spying, sabotage, or something else not very team oriented from the Caldari perspective.
People team up and play with members of their corp, alliance, or individuals who have gone through some kind of reasonably reliable vetting process because its just too easy for me to make that alt. |
Ujio Sendai
Reclamation Technologies Libertus Coventu Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.03.29 20:41:00 -
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Good point Klarion, As I mentioned, Being attacked by people on the same side in general doesn't surprise me exactly for the reasons you mentioned. I would expect that type of spy activity by people who actually did FW for FW.
I guess it's more about intentions. If you do what you mentioned then you have a team oriented intention somewhere that has some consistency to it. I am more surprised at the number of comments showing how many players have no intention of fighting on any team level at all, and just want solo rewards even if friendlies are involved. It's just kinda disappointing to know what I have to look forward to at the thought of even venturing in FW.
I'm sure it's alot of factors. Maybe a prerequisite for such an involved MMO is for everyone to have a RL job or something. I don't have the time or the interest to resort to such time consuming BS metagame tactics, and I won't be trying to PvP on 2 computers at the same time. Damn the internet lol.
To quote: Ginger Barbarella "There are douchebags in all walks of life. The anonymity of the intarwebs bring out the inner douchebag of those too chicken-sh!t to do it in real life." I fully agree with this. |
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