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chaosjj
State Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.03.26 10:04:00 -
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I believe that Ishukone's actions represent the best what the Caldari could have done in this situation, They have put their pride aside and chose to make a peace offering. Caldari prime is our home world, yes, but think about what the planet looks like after all of this, the city's are in ruin, a large chunk of the environment was destroyed when the Shiigeru slammed into it, so what will more conflict achieve? more destruction and death, nothing more. We should focus our energy on our own space, its not like we don't have our own issue's to deal with back home, for example; a certain dictator that is slowly choking his own people. |
Unit XS365BT
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
101
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Posted - 2013.03.26 10:15:00 -
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While it is true that life is a struggle pilot Kim, that struggle does not always take the form of combat. Often the struggle is to put aside anger and combat and in their place use tact and diplomacy. The current situation on the homeworld of the Deteis and Civire people is one situation where your current attitude is more of a hindrance than an asset.
We Return Unit XS365BT. Designated Communications Officer. Unit Commune. |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
765
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Posted - 2013.03.26 11:06:00 -
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Struggle.
A word that could summarize the entire history of the Caldari.
It saddens me to see it used as justification for letting our pride and stubbornness hinder us from pursuing exactly what struggle has taught us as a people; sacrificing for the good of the many.
The people on Caldari Prime, Gallente, Caldari and everyone in between, are now and will be struggling for some time in light of recent events. A struggle that we put upon them. In times like this, we must set aside those attributes that will not serve us toward the greater goal; those of pride, stubbornness, aggression. We must instead recognize that our duty demands of us that we sacrifice to serve the good of the many.
Can we set aside pride and take up humility? Can we sacrifice stubbornness and arm ourselves with integrity?
I suggest to you it is not something we could do but something we must do. ~Malcolm Khross
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
384
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Posted - 2013.03.26 11:44:00 -
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chaosjj wrote:I believe that Ishukone's actions represent the best what the Caldari could have done in this situation, They have put their pride aside and chose to make a peace offering. It is quite interesting what they achieved and acted before other corporations. However the way the did it is a disgrace and stains reputation of the State, since the Ishukone is still part of the State.
And I really would prefer to see Ishukone returning into the fold and not acting against interests of the State. I am not going to give any advice to Ishukone, since I am not experienced in corporate politics and the way corporations are managed. But I think that replacing the CEO with a proper provist could be a viable solution.
chaosjj wrote:Caldari prime is our home world, yes, but think about what the planet looks like after all of this, the city's are in ruin, a large chunk of the environment was destroyed when the Shiigeru slammed into it, so what will more conflict achieve? more destruction and death, nothing more. It is all gallente fault. They still want to take what belongs to us. And we are fighting for what is ours. Just giving them what they want, when they show you gun, is disgrace. We have the gun too and we won't allow them to rob us.
I agree with you, that this conflict must be put to the end as soon as possible. We must force gallente rats back to their holes and slam their doors, so they will never get out to start conflict again. But first we should get rid from all hindrances, all these traitors who are trying to stop us from fighting and reaching our goal, that is safety and welfare of all Caldari in our cluster!
chaosjj wrote:We should focus our energy on our own space, its not like we don't have our own issue's to deal with back home, for example; a certain dictator that is slowly choking his own people. By attaching your words to the topic, I think that the threat of a dictator is not viable, since Mens Reppola didn't show enough pride and determination to usurp the power.
And I agree, that we should focus our energy on our space. All 'citizens' who dare to question politics of the State and our honorable Executor, should be placed under questioning themselves. And those, who are actually acting against provists, calls to others to act against provists, or create any hindrance to the State must be put under detention. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
245
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Posted - 2013.03.26 17:25:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Xindi Kraid wrote:Have you heard the saying, "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"? Your only asset is a hammer named combat. For all my life I was being trained and prepared for combat. What do you expect me to be? A housemaid? Yes, but apparently whoever was training and preparing you neglected to teach you any other useful skills. |
chaosjj
State Enforcement Directive
12
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Posted - 2013.03.26 18:00:00 -
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Tibus Heth is an unstable fool miss Kim, he desided to place his personal vendetta ahead of the interests of his people. every "leader" that does this should be tossed out of the nearest airlock. Don't be mistaken, i by no means approve the Gallente attack, but right now, we need to aid the innocent people on Caldari prime. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
384
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Posted - 2013.03.26 18:53:00 -
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Xindi Kraid wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Xindi Kraid wrote:Have you heard the saying, "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"? Your only asset is a hammer named combat. For all my life I was being trained and prepared for combat. What do you expect me to be? A housemaid? Yes, but apparently whoever was training and preparing you neglected to teach you any other useful skills. Well, it looks like those, who taught you, forgot to teach you manners. I believe that forcing you to lick sole of provist boots can cure that attitude, at least for a bit.
chaosjj wrote:Tibus Heth is an unstable fool miss Kim, he desided to place his personal vendetta ahead of the interests of his people. every "leader" that does this should be tossed out of the nearest airlock. Don't be mistaken, i by no means approve the Gallente attack, but right now, we need to aid the innocent people on Caldari prime. Tibus Heth is greatest hero and best thing that happened to the State in our time. Calling someone a fool when you don't understand his ideas, doesn't make a credit for you.
We, in the State, value not only our own honor, but also honor of our superiors. Even if you don't understand our ways, it doesn't give you reason to call our leader a fool, Mr.chaosjj. This behavior you showed is hostile towards the State and every Caldari.
So, please, I ask you, do not make this mistake again.
Or else. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2333
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Posted - 2013.03.26 19:16:00 -
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It's beautiful. Gallente and Caldari capsuleers, Amarrian and Minmatar loyalists, all speaking with one voice, one purpose, one message. All it took was a complete idiot with a proverbial shovel the size of a solar system and no concept of the directions left, right, forward, backward or up. Mane 614
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
60
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Posted - 2013.03.26 19:54:00 -
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There is no honor in supporting a superior who makes poor decisions that threaten the good of society. Something the Provists would be wise to remember, if they were smart enough to figure out their misadventures will end up dooming us all in the end. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
735
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Posted - 2013.03.26 21:03:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote: So, please, I ask you, do not make this mistake again.
Or else.
Your leader is a fool. Mynnna for CSM 8 |
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
8
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Posted - 2013.03.26 21:38:00 -
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I--
Oh, this one's hard.
On one hand, I do think Heth is no longer a fit leader. On the other hand, I don't feel it's right to insult someone just to provoke another. But then it's Ms. Kim!
Ultimately, my loyalty is to Ishukone and the State -- not to Reppola or Heth.
Kim, Heth's off his rocker. |
Markus Reese
Incertae Sedis
344
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Posted - 2013.03.26 22:03:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:
Why should a Caldari ask a Gallente for permission to do anything on their home planet?
Vile submission.
Well, not asking permission is what caused this issue in the first place.
Of course, the last time the Caldari asked for permission, the Gallente shot the diplomat with a Nyx. |
chaosjj
State Enforcement Directive
15
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Posted - 2013.03.27 00:56:00 -
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Miss Kim, you call my actions hostile to the state? I've spend the last 4 and a half years keeping the states space lanes as clear as i can of unwanted intruders, this includes Pirate factions and navy fleets that do not have a legal reason to be in OUR space. so please keep your treats inside of your capsule, they serve no usefull purpose. what we need is a De-centralized type of government, the one that has served the caldari people for centuries, and without a dictator that has a chip on his choulder the size of a Raven class battleship. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
560
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Posted - 2013.03.27 05:25:00 -
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Svetlana Scarlet wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:Just ignore Kim. She's proven again and again through her overheated rhetoric that she's nothing more than a genocidal sociopath and xenophobe who would love nothing better than to wipe out the Gallente and Matari. It is indeed her kind of hardcore crazy that's brought the State to its current position not, the Federation. Sadly, it is that belief -- that ignoring a problem will make it disappear -- which has led us to this state. Unlike the CEP, I will not stand idly by while our most sacred beliefs are torn asunder by pretenders, populists, and ideologues. And I do not need a Matari to tell me what to do. Your kind have much to answer for when it comes to the blood that has been shed over these last five years. You opened the box, and what was inside has consumed the better natures of all four nations.
"My kind"? And what exactly what kind would that be, pray tell? I sincerely hope you're not as big a racist and bigot as Kim. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
417
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Posted - 2013.03.27 06:02:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote: "My kind"? And what exactly what kind would that be, pray tell? I sincerely hope you're not as big a racist and bigot as Kim.
You Minmatar. After all, you are the ones who dropped CONCORD and pretty much started this whole mess. Not that you don't have some justification in my eyes, but some Caldari are more practical than I. |
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam Amarr Empire
208
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Posted - 2013.03.27 08:10:00 -
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Utterly preposterous. Yes, the Elder Fleet attacked CONCORD and disabled their quick response capability for a time, but the Matari did not force the State to act during that chaotic day. The State did what the State tends to do well, it capitalized on an opportunity. Caldari leaders quite literally made a conscious choice to take advantage of a situation where they would not have been immediately held accountable by CONCORD. There is so much nonsense being shouted about honor, tradition, and moral authority lately, but the fact remains that when the State could get away with it they made a choice and dishonored and disrespected every CONCORD signatory nation, including and in no small part, themselves. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
258
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Posted - 2013.03.27 08:53:00 -
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You know, sometimes I wonder about CONCORD. They had to be attacked and taken offline so slaves could be freed, and for the Caldari to reclaim our home.
Seems to me at times CONCORD cares less for peace and people than they do the status quo. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
385
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Posted - 2013.03.27 08:54:00 -
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Vikarion wrote:Anabella Rella wrote: "My kind"? And what exactly what kind would that be, pray tell? I sincerely hope you're not as big a racist and bigot as Kim.
You Minmatar. After all, you are the ones who dropped CONCORD and pretty much started this whole mess. Not that you don't have some justification in my eyes, but some Caldari are more practical than I. I wouldn't recommend you in trying to convince a primitive tribal. Their mind is not developed enough. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
385
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Posted - 2013.03.27 09:05:00 -
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Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:Utterly preposterous. Yes, the Elder Fleet attacked CONCORD and disabled their quick response capability for a time, but the Matari did not force the State to act during that chaotic day. The State did what the State tends to do well, it capitalized on an opportunity. Caldari leaders quite literally made a conscious choice to take advantage of a situation where they would not have been immediately held accountable by CONCORD. There is so much nonsense being shouted about honor, tradition, and moral authority lately, but the fact remains that when the State could get away with it they made a choice and dishonored and disrespected every CONCORD signatory nation, including and in no small part, themselves. Indeed, this attack merely saved a bit of our assets that we would lose by frontal attack through tripwire. And of course, minmatars can't force us to do anything, they are basically lacking wits. And that's why they are so easily manipulated by gallenteans. I guess it was quite a shock for fedos when we used minmatar attack against them.
Of course, it could be much more honorable to give Federation a final warning before kicking their occupation out from the planet. But there are a couple of things for consideration: first, it is was this opportunity, and losing it would mean unnecessary losses for our side. Second, is the fact that we treated gallenteans as people for too long, trying to negotiate return of Home Planet by peaceful ways, as you know - with no avail. Finally, and what I am most happy with, we stopped to pay them proper respects and honors, since they don't deserve them. |
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
67
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:36:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:"My kind"? And what exactly what kind would that be, pray tell? I sincerely hope you're not as big a racist and bigot as Kim.
My problem is not with your blood, but your government and its reckless disregard for the stability of the cluster. The removal of CONCORD lit the match on a powderkeg that has killed millions. The Hethists and their enablers have much to answer for, but if CONCORD's response had not been crippled by the Republic, they would have at least been stopped from starting the war that has distracted the State from dealing with their assault on our fundamental institutions.
I have seen plenty of Caldari criticizing the warmongering of the Hethists, but few within the supposedly "more free" Republic have ever called their leaders to task for plunging the cluster into war. Your Gallente puppeteers have also been rather reluctant to criticize the Republic for its blatant disregard of international law...how very convenient that such things can be overlooked when they are done by their client states. I am no fan of CONCORD myself, but I have never advocated their wholesale destruction merely to get revenge for a perceived slight. |
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Toluijin Chagangan
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
54
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Posted - 2013.03.27 21:17:00 -
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Svetlana, you are referring to the fleet that was publicly disavowed by the Republic government at the time? The fleet that contained Thukker tribe members, who at that time were the sworn enemies of the republic?
That fleet?
The Republic government did not, and does not have, as you have put it, a 'reckless disregard for the stability of the cluster'
'Our kind' indeed.
Seven Tribes. One Matari People |
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
69
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Posted - 2013.03.27 21:32:00 -
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Toluijin Chagangan wrote:Svetlana, you are referring to the fleet that was publicly disavowed by the Republic government at the time? The fleet that contained Thukker tribe members, who at that time were the sworn enemies of the republic?
That fleet?
The Republic government did not, and does not have, as you have put it, a 'reckless disregard for the stability of the cluster'
'Our kind' indeed.
Really. What I remember is the Minmatar Republic allowing the "Elder fleet" to flee through their space, sheltering them from CONCORD and Amarr retaliation, while claiming they had no idea where hundreds of Minmatar-design warships had appeared from. Come now...we are both smart enough to know that such an attack could never have happened without Republic support, even if your government is unwilling or unable to admit it. |
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Gradient Electus Matari
21
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Posted - 2013.03.28 10:02:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Vikarion wrote:Anabella Rella wrote: "My kind"? And what exactly what kind would that be, pray tell? I sincerely hope you're not as big a racist and bigot as Kim.
You Minmatar. After all, you are the ones who dropped CONCORD and pretty much started this whole mess. Not that you don't have some justification in my eyes, but some Caldari are more practical than I. I wouldn't recommend you in trying to convince a primitive tribal. Their mind is not developed enough.
So, Diana, when exactly did you decide to model your diplomatic style on Lord Vaari? I ask because you increasingly remind me of him these days, minus the long list of titles of course.
Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya, Diplomat for the Electus Matari alliance. |
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Gradient Electus Matari
21
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Posted - 2013.03.28 10:06:00 -
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Svetlana Scarlet wrote:Toluijin Chagangan wrote:Svetlana, you are referring to the fleet that was publicly disavowed by the Republic government at the time? The fleet that contained Thukker tribe members, who at that time were the sworn enemies of the republic?
That fleet?
The Republic government did not, and does not have, as you have put it, a 'reckless disregard for the stability of the cluster'
'Our kind' indeed. Really. What I remember is the Minmatar Republic allowing the "Elder fleet" to flee through their space, sheltering them from CONCORD and Amarr retaliation, while claiming they had no idea where hundreds of Minmatar-design warships had appeared from. Come now...we are both smart enough to know that such an attack could never have happened without Republic support, even if your government is unwilling or unable to admit it.
At that point in time the Elder fleet had the entire Starkmanir tribe in it's holds. That would likely have been a factor in the decision to let them pass.
And if the previous administration was complicit in building the fleet, why did Elder agents feel the need to assassinate so many of them? Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya, Diplomat for the Electus Matari alliance. |
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
76
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:54:00 -
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Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:At that point in time the Elder fleet had the entire Starkmanir tribe in it's holds. That would likely have been a factor in the decision to let them pass.
And if the previous administration was complicit in building the fleet, why did Elder agents feel the need to assassinate so many of them?
So you are going to tell me that the fact that the Republic suffered a military coup at the same time is a reason to be less outraged over the fact that they kicked off a cluster-spanning war for the sake of petty revenge? And what does that say about the people in charge of the Republic now, that they were complicit with such a thing? When your people should be outraged at your leaders for allowing such an irresponsible action to occur and demanding an investigation into what happened and who allowed it to happen, instead you are celebrating the fact that Shakor, the man who benefited the most from this desperate act of revenge, is leading some sort of tribal conclave.
Are you proud of the fact that your Republic's government spend billions, maybe trillions of ISK to build a giant fleet instead of investing in your nation's infrastructure and providing better economic opportunities? Do you think plunging the cluster into war will improve the lives of your people? This is the difference between the Caldari and the Minmatar. |
Keitunen Eto
Uchusen Technologies
3
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:41:00 -
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This might be changing the subject, but I do believe that we need to re-evaluate what the state is as is said earlier. We are the state. Citizens are the State, the board is the state, and we combined make up the whole of the state. The good of the state is the good of the units of the state. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
388
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:00:00 -
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Keitunen Eto wrote:This might be changing the subject, but I do believe that we need to re-evaluate what the state is as is said earlier. We are the state. Citizens are the State, the board is the state, and we combined make up the whole of the state. The good of the state is the good of the units of the state. Because this topic is a garden for traitors and outcasts who want to replace our beloved Executor? But still, I think it could be a nice subject for a different topic, without all this garbage from disassociated junks in the first place. However, I don't think there is a real reason for re-evaluation, since we are, generally, doing good. So, if you see concerns, tell us in another topic. |
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Gradient Electus Matari
21
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:41:00 -
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Svetlana Scarlet wrote:Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:At that point in time the Elder fleet had the entire Starkmanir tribe in it's holds. That would likely have been a factor in the decision to let them pass.
And if the previous administration was complicit in building the fleet, why did Elder agents feel the need to assassinate so many of them? So you are going to tell me that the fact that the Republic suffered a military coup at the same time is a reason to be less outraged over the fact that they kicked off a cluster-spanning war for the sake of petty revenge? And what does that say about the people in charge of the Republic now, that they were complicit with such a thing? When your people should be outraged at your leaders for allowing such an irresponsible action to occur and demanding an investigation into what happened and who allowed it to happen, instead you are celebrating the fact that Shakor, the man who benefited the most from this desperate act of revenge, is leading some sort of tribal conclave. Are you proud of the fact that your Republic's government spend billions, maybe trillions of ISK to build a giant fleet instead of investing in your nation's infrastructure and providing better economic opportunities? Do you think plunging the cluster into war will improve the lives of your people? This is the difference between the Caldari and the Minmatar.
There is some merit to what you say. However refuting your arguments in detail would derail this thread more than a little. If you want to discuss this further please feel free to mail me. Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya, Diplomat for the Electus Matari alliance. |
Alesius Lerance
Worlds Without Boundaries
3
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Posted - 2013.03.29 16:05:00 -
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Whilst I do not deny the qualities that Mens Reppola and those around him possess, I am uncertain whether or not he would be able to take the strain of running the entire State, especially at a time like this. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
274
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Posted - 2013.03.29 16:20:00 -
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That shouldn't matter. The CPD and the Executor position shouldn't exist, at least not in the form it does at the moment.
The responsibility of the running of the state is supposed to be up to the megacorporations' CEOs as a collective. Placing a single man above them is unnatural. |
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