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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:57:00 -
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Recoil IV wrote:why nerf omen navy so bad?its superbad as it is atm,the rest seem to be improved to fullfil a purpose
scythe fleet needs 6 hs 3 turrets/3 launcher or kill the split weapon system/
The new NOmen is going to be baller amazing. It's My New Ship.
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Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
502
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Posted - 2013.03.27 18:58:00 -
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Two step wrote:My comment from the CSM forums:
Omen and Aug have the same slot layout, might be nice to switch one of them up. Maybe trade a low for a mid on the omen, since it is supposed to be more speedy, and might want dual webs or something.
The nomen really needs the low slot for tank, especially considering its losing some of its raw HP. Dual webs on a laser boat that gets an optimal range bonus is just silly. That change would make more sense on the Augoror Navy, since it would follow Amarr traditional lowslot layout where ships such as the Sac or Vengeance that get tank bonuses have an extra mid at the cost of a low compared to their counterparts. But honestly, i'm pretty happy with both Amarr cruisers.
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Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
738
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:05:00 -
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The Vexor seems a little tight on CPU for a drone ship, could use a bit more. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
Alexa Coates
Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC
319
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:05:00 -
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Holy hell the navy exeq and vex changes are amazing.
Buying 10 of each in prep for the price spike. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |
Quontor Zarrkos
Pwn 'N Play Nulli Secunda
8
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:05:00 -
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The new navy augoror is quite a kick in the nuts for the phantasm Hopefully those pirate cruisers can get their rebalancing pass soon as well
I don't like the SFI changes, it should be more of an armor ship, always has been imo without the falloff bonus but with the tracking one for fighting up close. So why increase its shields? Also, I don't like the increase in signature radius, minmatar ships should have the smallest sig radius among the races imo to reflect their 'evasiveness' and give them a bit more speedtanking ability.
I like what's happening to the navy caracal and the optimal bonus on the navy omen! (puts the zealot in a bad spot as a side-effect though).
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
693
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:05:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Important note: unlike all my previous ship stat displays of this type, we're using align time at 0 skills instead of the old ones which were at level 5 skills. This makes the whole thing consistent (all the other stats are displayed for 0 skills) but means that you can't directly compare align times to my past ship change posts.!
Why don't you use all at lvl V for ALL things?
Everyone else uses all at lvl V as standard for EVERYTHING.. When was the last time someone told you how much EHP his ship had without any skills?
What the stats are at 0 is a real bother and makes it really hard to figure out what any changes actually mean.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
29
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:08:00 -
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Sorry, but the Stabber Fleet issue does not feel minmatarish at all! Its awkward to make him into some sort of fleet rupture instead of a proper stabber.
All cruisers got good speed increase and the stabber became just a standard mobility ship. As I said, not a minmatar thing, and I hate when the racial identities are raped. |
Colt Blackhawk
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
90
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:08:00 -
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Will we get new ship models? Osprey and Exqueror navy REALLY don-¦t look like combat ships. |
taminara
Tash-Murkon Aerospace
0
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:08:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Important note: unlike all my previous ship stat displays of this type, we're using align time at 0 skills instead of the old ones which were at level 5 skills. This makes the whole thing consistent (all the other stats are displayed for 0 skills) but means that you can't directly compare align times to my past ship change posts.! Why don't you use all at lvl V for ALL things? Everyone else uses all at lvl V as standard for EVERYTHING.. When was the last time someone told you how much EHP his ship had without any skills? What the stats are at 0 is a real bother and makes it really hard to figure out what any changes actually mean.
It's so that you can plug the raw stats in to eveHQ or similar... |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
505
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:08:00 -
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Recoil IV wrote:why nerf omen navy so bad?its superbad as it is atm,the rest seem to be improved to fullfil a purpose
scythe fleet needs 6 hs 3 turrets/3 launcher or kill the split weapon system/
How is the omen navy bad? |
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Rina Kondur
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
28
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:08:00 -
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Recoil IV wrote:why nerf omen navy so bad?its superbad as it is atm,the rest seem to be improved to fullfil a purpose
Have you actually flown a fleet with Navy Omens? They rock now and this patch will only make them better. A range bonus is going to be great for the ship.
Two step wrote:My comment from the CSM forums:
Omen and Aug have the same slot layout, might be nice to switch one of them up. Maybe trade a low for a mid on the omen, since it is supposed to be more speedy, and might want dual webs or something.
Please don't touch the Navy Omen slot lay out. It's prefect for what it is. |
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
44
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:10:00 -
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So the new Scythe effectively has only one ship bonus as opposed to the two that the rest get.
Anyone else feel like Minmatar ship/weapons are getting thoroughly **** on as of late? Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
693
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:11:00 -
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taminara wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Important note: unlike all my previous ship stat displays of this type, we're using align time at 0 skills instead of the old ones which were at level 5 skills. This makes the whole thing consistent (all the other stats are displayed for 0 skills) but means that you can't directly compare align times to my past ship change posts.! Why don't you use all at lvl V for ALL things? Everyone else uses all at lvl V as standard for EVERYTHING.. When was the last time someone told you how much EHP his ship had without any skills? What the stats are at 0 is a real bother and makes it really hard to figure out what any changes actually mean. It's so that you can plug the raw stats in to eveHQ or similar...
Who the **** uses eve HQ?
Also you should change the maller to be more like the Augoror -1 gun increase damage bonus and give it a utility high for nos. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Tawa Suyo
The Tuskers
72
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:11:00 -
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Any particular reason you decided to make the scythe continue to use the flawed (and in the process of being phased out) split weapon system and left out the caldari rail boat?
Wouldn't it make more sense to have the Navy Osprey as an optimal bonussed hybrid sniper (as opposed to the NExequerors brawling hybrids) and have the Scythe Fleet as the fast missile platform? |
Pesadel0
the muppets DARKNESS.
66
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:18:00 -
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Thank you for the sfi nerf. Really why nerf it giving it shield and taking the armor? and taking cpu off? |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
26
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:20:00 -
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Jitami This wrote:Is there any point in training T2 ships any more?
In some cases very little with how buffed up some of the T1 hulls are now. However I am sure this will change once CCP starts to rebalance the T2 hulls. I hope they look at Interceptors once they are done with Command Ships and Tech 1 Battleships. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
439
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:29:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Who the **** uses eve HQ?
I do, far superior to EFT IMO. |
X4me1eoH
Reverse Side.
56
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:30:00 -
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Navy cruisers better than HACs? :facepalm: |
Zilero
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
60
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:31:00 -
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In light of the earlier proposed TE changes, please provide the Stabber Fleet Issue with a bonus to falloff.
Thanks! |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1100
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:33:00 -
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Chiming in with the 'leave the SFI alone' crowd. It is no longer the go-to medium beast it once was. I can consistently kill them in rail T1 Vexors!
I also support the idea of a Caldari hybrid faction Cruiser - currently there are zero. And do we really need/ want 3 of 8 faction cruisers to spam missiles?
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Viribus
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
124
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:40:00 -
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I don't get the navy vexor change. The whole gimmick with that ship was that it could fit drones and guns, and out-dps an ishtar (or even a deimos) in a glass cannon fit. Now it's reworked to just be an inferior Ishtar.
Same story with the omen navy, loses DPS to become a faster but much weaker zealot, and is given a consolation prize of a big drone bay that has absolutely no synergy with an optimal-bonused mid-range ship.
What's so hard about giving faction ships their own strengths and roles instead of just making them bargain basement HACs? |
Viribus
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
124
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:43:00 -
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Rina Kondur wrote:Recoil IV wrote:why nerf omen navy so bad?its superbad as it is atm,the rest seem to be improved to fullfil a purpose Have you actually flown a fleet with Navy Omens? They rock now and this patch will only make them better. A range bonus is going to be great for the ship.
And in exchange it gets its tank and DPS massively nerfed |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
668
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:47:00 -
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Thoughts:
-Most of them sound great!
-Can you please PLEASE not nerf the stabber fleet issue's mass? It's my absolute favourite ship and it seems quite balanced in comparison with the other boats even without the mass change.
-Osprey needs a badass model like the hookbill has if you are going to make it like a hookbill ;) |
Klarion Sythis
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
170
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:48:00 -
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Very excited to get a hold of these. |
xBabykiller
D00M. Northern Coalition.
0
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:54:00 -
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please please please please DONT NERF TE !!!! |
Karl Planck
Heretic Army Atrocitas
313
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:56:00 -
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Viribus wrote:Rina Kondur wrote:Recoil IV wrote:why nerf omen navy so bad?its superbad as it is atm,the rest seem to be improved to fullfil a purpose Have you actually flown a fleet with Navy Omens? They rock now and this patch will only make them better. A range bonus is going to be great for the ship. And in exchange it gets its tank and DPS massively nerfed
so wrong it hurts. DPS gets a slight bonus (not including drones). tank is nerfed but look at the speed!!! Holy sheet! This is going to be a fav of mine.
Also, navy exquerer is going to be hilarious. Proud CEO of Heretic Army and loyal servent to Mother Amamake. COME AT ME BRO! Forums: http://forum.heretic-army.biz/index.php-á Killboard: http://kb.heretic-army.biz/ Follow me on twitter @KarlPlanck |
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance 24eme Legion Etrangere
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Posted - 2013.03.27 20:02:00 -
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there a reason the nomen has less armor than the flabber? |
Viribus
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
124
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Posted - 2013.03.27 20:04:00 -
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Karl Planck wrote:Viribus wrote:Rina Kondur wrote:Recoil IV wrote:why nerf omen navy so bad?its superbad as it is atm,the rest seem to be improved to fullfil a purpose Have you actually flown a fleet with Navy Omens? They rock now and this patch will only make them better. A range bonus is going to be great for the ship. And in exchange it gets its tank and DPS massively nerfed so wrong it hurts. DPS gets a slight bonus (not including drones)
Current bonus is an effective 50% bonus to DPS
New bonus is a 50% flat bonus to damage
And it loses a gun
Do the math |
Iam Widdershins
project nemesis
789
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Posted - 2013.03.27 20:05:00 -
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My concerns with these changes, which are by-and-large pretty good, is the absolute slap in the face given to the Omen Navy Issue.
Currently it has a -7.5 rate of fire bonus and 5 turrets, giving it the equivalent damage of 8 turrets with the cap usage of 4. After these changes it will have the equivalent damage of 6 turrets with the same cap usage, gaining only an optimal range increase in compensation -- one that it must share with the already-popular Zealot.
Additional speed notwithstanding, this just doesn't feel like a great change to me. Sure, it has drones over the Zealot, but the Zealot was already popular over the Nomen when it had 40 meters of dronebay and only 4% less gun damage; when it gains only 10 meters of dronebay and the Zealot outguns it by 39% with the same optimal bonus, I don't think this is going to change much.
Nor do I think that "we will deal with the Zealot in a future balance pass" is a very good excuse for this. I can't think why anyone would complain that the Zealot isn't a very decently balanced ship. Lobbying for your right to delete your signature |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
150
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Posted - 2013.03.27 20:06:00 -
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Posting to say how much I hate heavy drones, and how inappropriate they are for a cruiser or BC since they're so slow.
When will it end.
Edit: And not even enough bay for one wave of spares. Bring it up to whatever the ishtar has, or stop the madness and give it double bonus to medium drones or something like you should be doing to all of these drone cruisers. |
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