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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
748
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Posted - 2013.04.18 00:53:00 -
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Donedy wrote:Bouh Revetoile wrote:Donedy wrote:Well if it doesnt work how i think it works, tell me where im wrong. In all the cases when i see his terrible align time compared to all the other faction cruisers, im a bit worried. 0,07s more align time is terrible now ? I think you are misreading, or something. Quote: Stabber Fleet Issue: Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 250(+2) / 0.465(+0.02) / 10810000(+1,000,000) / 6.97s(+0.92)
Thats with 0 skills though? not sure how it scales but meh
also anyone who thinks the sfi won't still be good is bad. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
303
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Posted - 2013.04.18 01:03:00 -
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I was comparing it to the navy vexor. I should have mentioned it. Yet, these agility values, per se, are actually very low I think, as the most agile of them are more agile than destroyers. |
Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.04.18 08:50:00 -
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I was comparing it to all the other faction cruisers. Well its till one of the least agile faction cruisers in this rebalance while being minmatar, i think its not normal. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
748
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Posted - 2013.04.18 09:45:00 -
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The "combat" navy cruisers are Aug, vexor, sfi and caracal and the SFI is the second most agile there as it should be.
If anything you should complain about how silly agile the osprey is seeing how Caldari are generaly fat fucks. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.04.18 11:10:00 -
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Well, to begin with, it should be the first one cause its the minnie one. And secondly correct me if im wrong, but due to his mass, his align time is the worst compared to the other combat faction navy cruisers.
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kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
221
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Posted - 2013.04.18 11:33:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:The "combat" navy cruisers are Aug, vexor, sfi and caracal and the SFI is the second most agile there as it should be.
If anything you should complain about how silly agile the osprey is seeing how Caldari are generaly fat fucks.
It still doesnt make sense though, the SFI was good at its role and post T1 cruiser balance it was not overly powerfull or dominant, in fact it was properly balanced. Now add mass yet decrease armor and then add shield, it just makes me wonder why, whats the reason? |
Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.04.18 11:47:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:The "combat" navy cruisers are Aug, vexor, sfi and caracal and the SFI is the second most agile there as it should be.
If anything you should complain about how silly agile the osprey is seeing how Caldari are generaly fat fucks. It still doesnt make sense though, the SFI was good at its role and post T1 cruiser balance it was not overly powerfull or dominant, in fact it was properly balanced. Now add mass yet decrease armor and then add shield, it just makes me wonder why, whats the reason? Thanks to put other words on what im trying to explain...
Edit : will i have to create a "Save the SFI" topic in general discussion to be heard or...? |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
607
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Posted - 2013.04.18 13:02:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:It still doesnt make sense though, the SFI was good at its role and post T1 cruiser balance it was not overly powerfull or dominant, in fact it was properly balanced. Now add mass yet decrease armor and then add shield, it just makes me wonder why, whats the reason? Want your panties to really bunch up? Then read this
It is your (SFi pilots) own damn fault! CCP gave you an insanely powerful armour tanked cruiser with excess speed to counter the mass addition of a plate .. it was untouchable in solo/small-gang scenarios .. and you all fit shield-gank. Now they flip it, improve its shield characteristics and lowers its speed to further indicate that it should not be adding plates and you have the audacity to complain?
Winmatar has had three years uninterrupted supremacy, a longer consecutive run than any flavour thus far. Did you or anyone really think that the inevitable change would come in the form of minuscule downward tweaks? Take the hit on the chin and use some of your vaunted gaffer tape to sort yourselves out, you had it coming.
PS: Just wait, there may be more licks coming your way, the ravings about BS fittings in Amarr threads may just end up with hulls used for Artillery losing grid to be on even terms with the rest of Eve. |
Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.04.18 13:19:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:kraiklyn Asatru wrote:It still doesnt make sense though, the SFI was good at its role and post T1 cruiser balance it was not overly powerfull or dominant, in fact it was properly balanced. Now add mass yet decrease armor and then add shield, it just makes me wonder why, whats the reason? Want your panties to really bunch up? Then read this It is your (SFi pilots) own damn fault! CCP gave you an insanely powerful armour tanked cruiser with excess speed to counter the mass addition of a plate .. it was untouchable in solo/small-gang scenarios .. and you all fit shield-gank. Now they flip it, improve its shield characteristics and lowers its speed to further indicate that it should not be adding plates and you have the audacity to complain? Winmatar has had three years uninterrupted supremacy, a longer consecutive run than any flavour thus far. Did you or anyone really think that the inevitable change would come in the form of minuscule downward tweaks? Take the hit on the chin and use some of your vaunted gaffer tape to sort yourselves out, you had it coming. PS: Just wait, there may be more licks coming your way, the ravings about BS fittings in Amarr threads may just end up with hulls used for Artillery losing grid to be on even terms with the rest of Eve.
Thats wrong, as kraiklyn said after the T1 cruiser rebalance, the SFI was not anymore OP compared to other cruisers.
Also what you dont understand guys, is that the buff to all the other cruisers makes stupid the SFI nerf. Cause now it wont be OP, it will be UNDER powered. Thats not the ship rebalance goal, right? |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
139
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Posted - 2013.04.19 21:28:00 -
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Donedy wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:kraiklyn Asatru wrote:It still doesnt make sense though, the SFI was good at its role and post T1 cruiser balance it was not overly powerfull or dominant, in fact it was properly balanced. Now add mass yet decrease armor and then add shield, it just makes me wonder why, whats the reason? Want your panties to really bunch up? Then read this It is your (SFi pilots) own damn fault! CCP gave you an insanely powerful armour tanked cruiser with excess speed to counter the mass addition of a plate .. it was untouchable in solo/small-gang scenarios .. and you all fit shield-gank. Now they flip it, improve its shield characteristics and lowers its speed to further indicate that it should not be adding plates and you have the audacity to complain? Winmatar has had three years uninterrupted supremacy, a longer consecutive run than any flavour thus far. Did you or anyone really think that the inevitable change would come in the form of minuscule downward tweaks? Take the hit on the chin and use some of your vaunted gaffer tape to sort yourselves out, you had it coming. PS: Just wait, there may be more licks coming your way, the ravings about BS fittings in Amarr threads may just end up with hulls used for Artillery losing grid to be on even terms with the rest of Eve. Thats wrong, as kraiklyn said after the T1 cruiser rebalance, the SFI was not anymore OP compared to other cruisers. Also what you dont understand guys, is that the buff to all the other cruisers makes stupid the SFI nerf. Cause now it wont be OP, it will be UNDER powered. Thats not the ship rebalance goal, right? Underpowered =/= Balanced with the rest
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
612
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Posted - 2013.04.21 08:41:00 -
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Donedy wrote:Thats wrong, as kraiklyn said after the T1 cruiser rebalance, the SFI was not anymore OP compared to other cruisers.
Also what you dont understand guys, is that the buff to all the other cruisers makes stupid the SFI nerf. Cause now it wont be OP, it will be UNDER powered. Thats not the ship rebalance goal, right? Wrong, how? When I don't use the 'OP' tag once .. it wasn't OP in the same way the Hurricane was, but it was/is/will-be as I said insanely powerful. Mass addition is almost countered by general plate mass reduction and honeycombing so performance should be as is. EHP tweaks are so minute as to be irrelevant, if you want something to really sink your complaints into then look at the same numbers as proposed for the Nomen .. a Navy cruiser with EHP like old lower tier T1 hulls
These changes will in effect add 6 navy cruisers to the game, it will no longer only be SFI's and Caracals flying around. Your preferred ship is still the proverbial wolf among sheep, difference is that the sheep learned how to use and got themselves some guns! |
Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
41
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Posted - 2013.04.22 12:04:00 -
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Im just saying :
- With the last T1 cruiser buff SFI was not anymore OP compared to T1 cruisers hulls, according to the price of the hull of course (Its a navy, it has to be more powerfull than a regular T1 hull)
- It is a Minmatarr hull, minmatarr line of ships was/is and should remain the more agile one. As its one of their racial characteristics. Even more in cruiser size.
- As the other cruisers are buffed (im glad with that btw), why nerfing the SFI? Even more if as you said "its a small tweak and its no relevant to complain about." In this case WHY NERFING IT? Other ships will take his old role, thats all...
About the Nomen, check the other buffs they made on it, i was actually thinking the new nomen would be my old SFI... Minmatarrs get trolled very hard with all this ship changes...
I would like to say also that im not worried about getting ****** by this changes as i can perfectly fly all the cruisers. Just I loved to fly the SFI, and i think that this rebalance is not fair for this hull. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1321
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Posted - 2013.04.22 21:40:00 -
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I think this round of ship rebalancing is kind of funny, tbh. Amarr get skirmish ships (which they sorely need - Navy Omen, Navy Harb), and they complain. They get an OP drone boat they don't want (Armageddon).
Gallente pilots complain about Navy Vexor and Dominix for no apparent reason other than "Need moar dps out of fits nobody uses". And so it goes with all of the races.
We know how to fly our ships one way and complain when gift horses land on our laps because we don't know how to fly them as they are intended to fly.
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Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
41
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Posted - 2013.04.22 22:09:00 -
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Well from what ive seen atm the only ones who should complain is minnies... All what they get is nerf except may be about the phoon, and add to that the fact that the new faction battlecruiser is the old hurricane.
TROLL HARDER PLEASE :D! |
Mojo Joo
Scrap Iron Flotilla
0
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Posted - 2013.04.22 23:10:00 -
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Nerfing SFI is pure garbage, this is very idiotic and an another lousy move in direction of mediocrity as main direction of this game. Anything who can go a bit out of line of others, get nerfed. Why minmatar ships be more agile than caldari or galente ones? Let's nerf them so all mediocre pilots and game designers to feel on same level, Why to struggle to be more creative in finding new ways to counter an advantage with other advantage? Just nerf, nerf, nerf. Don't search ways to improve, just uniformize anything, brain-dead solution of choice. I feel less and less motivated to stay in this game because is more with every day a big pledge for uniformity and pure mediocrity. |
Cage Man
192
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Posted - 2013.04.23 00:57:00 -
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Still two caldari navy missile bonused ships.. a navy moa will make an excellent brawler... Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
Perihelion Olenard
153
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Posted - 2013.04.23 11:29:00 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:Nerfing SFI is pure garbage, this is very idiotic and an another lousy move in direction of mediocrity as main direction of this game. Anything who can go a bit out of line of others, get nerfed. Why minmatar ships be more agile than caldari or galente ones? Let's nerf them so all mediocre pilots and game designers to feel on same level, Why to struggle to be more creative in finding new ways to counter an advantage with other advantage? Just nerf, nerf, nerf. Don't search ways to improve, just uniformize anything, brain-dead solution of choice. I feel less and less motivated to stay in this game because is more with every day a big pledge for uniformity and pure mediocrity. So, you're upset that your navy stabber isn't the best navy cruiser, anymore? How is this a nerf when it stays pretty much the same? A rage quit over some of the other ships being a little more powerful than they were? You'd rather have it so your ship remains the best and the others are worse by comparison? Oh no, no balance is allowed. I wear my sunglasses at night. |
Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
41
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Posted - 2013.04.23 11:34:00 -
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Perihelion Olenard wrote:Mojo Joo wrote:Nerfing SFI is pure garbage, this is very idiotic and an another lousy move in direction of mediocrity as main direction of this game. Anything who can go a bit out of line of others, get nerfed. Why minmatar ships be more agile than caldari or galente ones? Let's nerf them so all mediocre pilots and game designers to feel on same level, Why to struggle to be more creative in finding new ways to counter an advantage with other advantage? Just nerf, nerf, nerf. Don't search ways to improve, just uniformize anything, brain-dead solution of choice. I feel less and less motivated to stay in this game because is more with every day a big pledge for uniformity and pure mediocrity. So, you're upset that your navy stabber isn't the best navy cruiser, anymore? How is this a nerf when it stays pretty much the same? A rage quit over some of the other ships being a little more powerful than they were? You'd rather have it so your ship remains the best and the others are worse by comparison? Oh no, no balance is allowed.
The problem is not that the SFI wont be the best cruiser anymore AT ALL. I will quote my self, cause i think you didnt read my post.
Donedy wrote:Im just saying :
- With the last T1 cruiser buff SFI was not anymore OP compared to T1 cruisers hulls, according to the price of the hull of course (Its a navy, it has to be more powerfull than a regular T1 hull)
- It is a Minmatarr hull, minmatarr line of ships was/is and should remain the more agile one. As its one of their racial characteristics. Even more in cruiser size.
- As the other cruisers are buffed (im glad with that btw), why nerfing the SFI? Even more if as you said "its a small tweak and its no relevant to complain about." In this case WHY NERFING IT? Other ships will take his old role, thats all...
About the Nomen, check the other buffs they made on it, i was actually thinking the new nomen would be my old SFI... Minmatarrs get trolled very hard with all this ship changes... I would like to say also that im not worried about getting ****** by this changes as i can perfectly fly all the cruisers. Just I loved to fly the SFI, and i think that this rebalance is not fair for this hull. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1325
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Posted - 2013.04.23 16:47:00 -
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The CNI has always had better agility than the SFI. (Caracal agility > Stabber too). The Caracal line has always had near OP agility.
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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
103
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:05:00 -
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What about the comparison between the Osprey and the Exequror? I really don't see why the ONI is faster but will also have much better range with short range weapons. And will have lows available for further mobility/kiting fittings v an ENI. An ENI that will be fit with either a very flimsy shield tank or a mobility killing armor tank. Blasters won't be getting in range to do ****. ONI wins quite easily.
And since I'm making this post I'll complain again about the bullshit active armor bonuses on both Gallente BCs and the further **** that will be the Navy Brutix v the probably highly sought after Navy Drake. Thanks balancing team for taking so many wrong turns lately. Gallente to remain in the shitter for years to come. |
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Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
41
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:23:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:The CNI has always had better agility than the SFI. (Caracal agility > Stabber too). The Caracal line has always had near OP agility.
Time to fix that? |
Mojo Joo
Scrap Iron Flotilla
1
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Posted - 2013.04.23 17:23:00 -
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Perihelion Olenard wrote: So, you're upset that your navy stabber isn't the best navy cruiser, anymore? How is this a nerf when it stays pretty much the same? A rage quit over some of the other ships being a little more powerful than they were? You'd rather have it so your ship remains the best and the others are worse by comparison? Oh no, no balance is allowed.
The main problem is not that they want to nerf SFI, is their lack of imagination and the way how they chosen to do it.
Every race have their strong points, and that bring diversity and make things more interesting because make you to use your brain and use that advantages to counter other races specific advantages.
But no, thinking hurt brains so instead of keeping the minmatar specific strengths like speed, agility, low signature radius they hit exactly that ones.
Is much more beneficial for gameplay to use other ways to lower the power of some minmatar ship, following this game damn story: "minmatar - duct tape ships"; who are fast and agile but have lower tank than amarr for example...
So to be more clear for the ones who have problems to follow my argumentation and to see my point... is SFI to powerfull? Better decrease his tank! Do not transform it in a brick! You want to fly a slow, tanky brick? Fly damn ONI!
But is much more easy to make SFI and ONI the same, (and preferable as much mediocre is possible) so all lame mediocre players to feel avenged for they inability to use their brains.
PS. And for all the ones who have a psychological trauma because of "the powerfull" SFI... a SFI can be killed any time by an t2 fitted thorax! A cheap t1 cruiser! |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1326
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Posted - 2013.04.23 23:49:00 -
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Donedy wrote:X Gallentius wrote:The CNI has always had better agility than the SFI. (Caracal agility > Stabber too). The Caracal line has always had near OP agility. Time to fix that? I think you missed the boat on that since before I started playing this game. Caracal has always been agile.
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Donedy
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
41
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Posted - 2013.04.24 08:52:00 -
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Well its not in racial line... Meh, i just want the SFI not be nerfed for all the reasons i said before. Im fine with the CNI. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1334
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Posted - 2013.04.24 14:00:00 -
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Maybe try to horse with sensor strength or anything else that got boosted with this pass for reducing the SFI agility. ? |
Shingorash
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
51
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Posted - 2013.04.24 19:05:00 -
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I think the Scythe needs another bonus, you cant really use all the high slots at the same time so having a gun and a missile bonus is rather pointless.
Wouldnt it be better to have a Damage or ROF bonus to both and then perhaps a Speed Boost or a Web bonus or something as the secondary? |
Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
307
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Posted - 2013.04.24 19:12:00 -
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Shingorash wrote:I think the Scythe needs another bonus, you cant really use all the high slots at the same time so having a gun and a missile bonus is rather pointless.
Wouldnt it be better to have a Damage or ROF bonus to both and then perhaps a Speed Boost or a Web bonus or something as the secondary? The bonus it have are doubled : 10%rof or 10% damage with almost as many guns as the others. |
Shingorash
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
51
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Posted - 2013.04.24 23:54:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:Shingorash wrote:I think the Scythe needs another bonus, you cant really use all the high slots at the same time so having a gun and a missile bonus is rather pointless.
Wouldnt it be better to have a Damage or ROF bonus to both and then perhaps a Speed Boost or a Web bonus or something as the secondary? The bonus it have are doubled : 10%rof or 10% damage with almost as many guns as the others.
Id still rather see something else. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
143
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Posted - 2013.04.25 00:35:00 -
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Shouldn't the scythe have enough drone bandwidth/bay to field a full medium flight? It's suppose to be a mini typhoon anyways "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."-Vermaak Doe |
Vassal of Doom
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.25 00:57:00 -
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Why not give the Navy Augoror a HAM damage bonus? You know, so Amarr can finally have a T1 (albeit faction) armored missile boat? |
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