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Halvan Zan
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.05 22:47:00 -
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What impact will Dust 514 have on the markets.. their expansion in May will bring in clone creation on their planets, and the winners will process the 'biomass' from the losing team. Will biomass Eve-side play into the clone creation?
It is also set up to increase (by a large margin) the number of orbital strikes allowed. Orbital ammo?
When the region is announced this will take place within, things will get interesting there in a hurry. The large alliances from null sec have large alliances within Dust already - I suspect there may be a little more action in those systems will get pretty interesting and trade will spike. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
414
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Posted - 2013.04.06 22:12:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Callduron wrote:mynnna wrote:I sunk 125b into patch speculation already. The target has yet to be mentioned in the thread. Think I can guess. Hint: it's a type of ship. Nope!
Amongst other items of note, there was that certain BUY order in Jita for about 8-9 days involving a very generous price for at least 5 million units of a certain material.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
105
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Posted - 2013.04.06 22:25:00 -
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Well if its only speculation..
The tech pooh is sort of obvious, and already mentioned.
I might want to get rid of some PI materials to, since I might suspect they could go and surprise us with a bit of tweaks on that one..
From some of the remarks from CSM members I think some very unexpected things could be entering. usually flashy does not make most CSM types very excited, and they sounded pretty excited..
SOV tweak maybe? New access to Jove or some new space is already dropped as a speculation..
I listened to a roundtable podcast over at lost in EVE http://www.lostineve.net/..
They seemed to be talking quite a bit about economy more than I recall hearing before, especially as a connection to null.. So some taxing system maybe, and reduction of direct dependence on null resources?
I suspect they may be bringing out economy and pricing as a solution to many issues in this one, so everything could be up in the air.. Since ccp seem to want to reduce isk faucets and strengthen sinks. I think I would like to hold liquid isk rather than put money in anything.. The volatility that follows should be ripe for surfing and thus needing isk mainly..
DUST integration does make me interested in vehicles and arms, that I would suspect would move from npc to players at some coming point... if not in current shape, maybe as materials for production for DUST?
Just a few thoughts..
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
797
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Posted - 2013.04.07 04:16:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:mynnna wrote:Callduron wrote:mynnna wrote:I sunk 125b into patch speculation already. The target has yet to be mentioned in the thread. Think I can guess. Hint: it's a type of ship. Nope! Amongst other items of note, there was that certain BUY order in Jita for about 8-9 days involving a very generous price for at least 5 million units of a certain material.
You could not have made this post more vague. Mynnna for CSM 8 |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
414
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Posted - 2013.04.07 11:06:00 -
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I was speaking of Contiesta's order for Tungsten Carbide armor plate -- nice little money maker for a few days.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
GreenSeed
259
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Posted - 2013.04.07 23:41:00 -
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posting to state the obvious.
anyone who didn't buy mountains of navy and pirate ships as soon as the first wave of t1 re balances was done over a year ago should not post in this forum ever again. the time to buy was in the last 2 gallente cashouts before the fw nerf... the way things are going now im expecting at least a 800% return in investment
any advice to buy navy ships, bpcs, or tags is completely moot now.... people have been doing it for over a year. im myself sitting on a few thousand navy ships, well over 2k navy vexors, and yeah i over did it there... but the fw people were using them as throwaway ships... i couldn't help it. all i did was set up buy orders in lowsec hubs and i moved my crap when a system was in lockdown, even safer than buying in highsec.
this is my first massive scale investment and im sure some treasurer from a certain lolsec alliance will claim he has over done me a thousand times over... but i don't care. :D
i mean seriously, if you didn't see it coming years ago, you should go back to that other game whose name we don't mention. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
798
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Posted - 2013.04.08 00:52:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:posting to state the obvious.
anyone who didn't buy mountains of navy and pirate ships as soon as the first wave of t1 re balances was done over a year ago should not post in this forum ever again. the time to buy was in the last 2 gallente cashouts before the fw nerf... the way things are going now im expecting at least a 800% return in investment
any advice to buy navy ships, bpcs, or tags is completely moot now.... people have been doing it for over a year. im myself sitting on a few thousand navy ships, well over 2k navy vexors, and yeah i over did it there... but the fw people were using them as throwaway ships... i couldn't help it. all i did was set up buy orders in lowsec hubs and i moved my crap when a system was in lockdown, even safer than buying in highsec.
this is my first massive scale investment and im sure some treasurer from a certain lolsec alliance will claim he has over done me a thousand times over... but i don't care. :D
i mean seriously, if you didn't see it coming years ago, you should go back to that other game whose name we don't mention.
Good work Mynnna for CSM 8 |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
919
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Posted - 2013.04.08 12:43:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:posting to state the obvious.
anyone who didn't buy mountains of navy and pirate ships as soon as the first wave of t1 re balances was done over a year ago should not post in this forum ever again. the time to buy was in the last 2 gallente cashouts before the fw nerf... the way things are going now im expecting at least a 800% return in investment
any advice to buy navy ships, bpcs, or tags is completely moot now.... people have been doing it for over a year. im myself sitting on a few thousand navy ships, well over 2k navy vexors, and yeah i over did it there... but the fw people were using them as throwaway ships... i couldn't help it. all i did was set up buy orders in lowsec hubs and i moved my crap when a system was in lockdown, even safer than buying in highsec.
this is my first massive scale investment and im sure some treasurer from a certain lolsec alliance will claim he has over done me a thousand times over... but i don't care. :D
i mean seriously, if you didn't see it coming years ago, you should go back to that other game whose name we don't mention. confirming that having high stack counts in your ship hangars will likely pay off in the not so far future. also wts 2500 navy slicers
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
800
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Posted - 2013.04.09 17:01:00 -
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Soundwave talked quite a bit about how he'd like ice to matter more in the dev video cast today. Mynnna for CSM 8 |
Samroski
Games Inc.
180
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Posted - 2013.04.09 18:26:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Soundwave talked quite a bit about how he'd like ice to matter more in the dev video cast today. e: People look to be moving on BS tiericide speculation too. Nocx and zyd are the canaries... He wants ice to be more like oil, where the flow is controlled by few, and fought over. Though, from the discussion it appeared unlikely that (these) ice changes will make it to this patch. Nevertheless, best to stock up on ice and related products asap.
Happiness is a warm gun, mama. |
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Speculation Dave
Tiericide Kings
4
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Posted - 2013.04.09 19:04:00 -
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mynnna wrote:People look to be moving on BS tiericide speculation too. hell yeah
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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
447
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Posted - 2013.04.09 21:53:00 -
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Didn't somebody make patch speculation illegal, or was that just a night mare I had... PI Profitability spreadsheet
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Dave Stark
2510
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Posted - 2013.04.09 22:02:00 -
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Samroski wrote:mynnna wrote:Soundwave talked quite a bit about how he'd like ice to matter more in the dev video cast today. e: People look to be moving on BS tiericide speculation too. Nocx and zyd are the canaries... He wants ice to be more like oil, where the flow is controlled by few, and fought over. Though, from the discussion it appeared unlikely that (these) ice changes will make it to this patch. Nevertheless, best to stock up on ice and related products asap.
ice, the new tech.
oh wait, he said he wanted people to fight over it. never mind. Maggie Thatcher. |
Ark Destroyer
Neutral Talent
284
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Posted - 2013.04.10 16:51:00 -
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What changes do you think they will do to ice that makes some people certain of its increase? If you removed it from high sec that would make it way more expensive, but I highly doubt that would happen... they buffed exhumers enough that they are very difficult to gank now, almost promoting semi-afk ice mining in high sec. I don't see why they would work against that. Neutral Talent CEO Specializing in "complete" super-capital packages
Complete supercapital packages |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
807
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Posted - 2013.04.10 18:15:00 -
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Ark Destroyer wrote:What changes do you think they will do to ice that makes some people certain of its increase? If you removed it from high sec that would make it way more expensive, but I highly doubt that would happen... they buffed exhumers enough that they are very difficult to gank now, almost promoting semi-afk ice mining in high sec. I don't see why they would work against that. Ice is so AFKable because the asteroids do not deplete. Even so little a change as making them deplete would make for a large change in the price. And, with Odyssey promising to shake up resources, it's a good bet that something happens. Mynnna for CSM 8 |
Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
168
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Posted - 2013.04.10 20:25:00 -
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Cruiser Nexus Chips for the new Navy Battlecruisers? |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
807
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Posted - 2013.04.10 21:05:00 -
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Already inflated on account of the navy cruiser buffs, so they'd be a risky buy. Mynnna for CSM 8 |
0Lona 0ltor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.04.10 21:53:00 -
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Still touting Caldari Vice Admiral insignia as a zero risk investment due to NPC infinite buy order price of 500K. They used to sell for 5m isk a peice but now due to FW Gallente farming they are only 550k.
My bet is on CCP fixing FW soon as they will get fed up with 95/100 people joining Gallente just because they are winning so they can farm, when that happens vice admirals will sky rocket particularly if new LP data base changes come true. |
Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
168
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:30:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Already inflated on account of the navy cruiser buffs, so they'd be a risky buy.
Well it hasnt stopped someone doubling their price in Amarr already.
It is a risky buy though, I assume you can still just get the blueprint and build them yourself without the Nexus Chip, so there will be alternative supply. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
807
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:17:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote:mynnna wrote:Already inflated on account of the navy cruiser buffs, so they'd be a risky buy. Well it hasnt stopped someone doubling their price in Amarr already.
In what timeframe, though. In jita they've all increased over the past week or so, since the original cruiser announcement.
0Lona 0ltor wrote:Still touting Caldari Vice Admiral insignia as a zero risk investment due to NPC infinite buy order price of 500K. They used to sell for 5m isk a peice but now due to FW Gallente farming they are only 550k.
My bet is on CCP fixing FW soon as they will get fed up with 95/100 people joining Gallente just because they are winning so they can farm, when that happens vice admirals will sky rocket particularly if new LP data base changes come true.
I'm not really sure what universe you're in that these are only 550k. Mynnna for CSM 8 |
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Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
124
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Posted - 2013.04.11 10:57:00 -
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A few thoughts..
There is a lot of positive to say about the game aspect of patch and expansion speculation, but is it not growing a bit out of proportions?
I am starting to wonder how much eve forum speculation threads are potentially making insider like trading possible. Now before I get flamed for saying this.. bots, automations, afk etc are all getting discussed frequently and with a lot of passion from those that feel they suffer from its balance issues..
How come there have been so little attention paid to the potential of creative use of insider knowledge, based on the way information is released?
The recent PAX slides was what made me question this a bit more then I used to. I think most of how things have been released works pretty fine all things considered, but this one was kinda different.
Releasing any type of information about upcoming game changes must be available to all of EVE, or it trends towards insider information sharing. Sure EVE players spread the information pretty fast, but is there not a need for some procedural "rules" when disclosing these things?
I think it would be nice to get CSM to actively get a statement and discussion on this, because already there is no way to really control the so called non written parts of information, neither source nor flow..
I am mainly bringing this up because speculation aspects seems to become a bigger and bigger part of patch/expansion economy.. It would be interesting to have access to or information about the hitory of how these positionings have grown?
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Rama Sirius
Damorg Freedom Corp
0
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Posted - 2013.04.11 13:07:00 -
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Caleb Ayrania wrote:A few thoughts..
There is a lot of positive to say about the game aspect of patch and expansion speculation, but is it not growing a bit out of proportions?
I am starting to wonder how much eve forum speculation threads are potentially making insider like trading possible. Now before I get flamed for saying this.. bots, automations, afk etc are all getting discussed frequently and with a lot of passion from those that feel they suffer from its balance issues..
How come there have been so little attention paid to the potential of creative use of insider knowledge, based on the way information is released?
The recent PAX slides was what made me question this a bit more then I used to. I think most of how things have been released works pretty fine all things considered, but this one was kinda different.
Releasing any type of information about upcoming game changes must be available to all of EVE, or it trends towards insider information sharing. Sure EVE players spread the information pretty fast, but is there not a need for some procedural "rules" when disclosing these things?
I think it would be nice to get CSM to actively get a statement and discussion on this, because already there is no way to really control the so called non written parts of information, neither source nor flow..
I am mainly bringing this up because speculation aspects seems to become a bigger and bigger part of patch/expansion economy.. It would be interesting to have access to or information about the hitory of how these positionings have grown?
Indeed, I often feel completely out of the loop when the patches hit, although admittedly I am often slow to react I still cant help feeling some folks just seem to know exactly what to invest in.... |
Samroski
Games Inc.
181
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Posted - 2013.04.11 13:22:00 -
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Caleb Ayrania wrote:A few thoughts..
There is a lot of positive to say about the game aspect of patch and expansion speculation, but is it not growing a bit out of proportions?
I am starting to wonder how much eve forum speculation threads are potentially making insider like trading possible. Now before I get flamed for saying this.. bots, automations, afk etc are all getting discussed frequently and with a lot of passion from those that feel they suffer from its balance issues..
How come there have been so little attention paid to the potential of creative use of insider knowledge, based on the way information is released?
The recent PAX slides was what made me question this a bit more then I used to. I think most of how things have been released works pretty fine all things considered, but this one was kinda different.
Releasing any type of information about upcoming game changes must be available to all of EVE, or it trends towards insider information sharing. Sure EVE players spread the information pretty fast, but is there not a need for some procedural "rules" when disclosing these things?
I think it would be nice to get CSM to actively get a statement and discussion on this, because already there is no way to really control the so called non written parts of information, neither source nor flow..
I am mainly bringing this up because speculation aspects seems to become a bigger and bigger part of patch/expansion economy.. It would be interesting to have access to or information about the hitory of how these positionings have grown?
I feel the same way. There are many different sources from where one can get info about upcoming patches, and some of these may indeed be classified as insider trading, as everyone does not have equal opportunity for access.
Think all patch information could be limited to dev blogs. This is probably unrealistic, as there is sisi, F&I, tweets, fanfest, interviews and so on. On one hand I am all for increased communication, but like everything in life this is a double edged sword.
As an aside: what checks and balances are there on CSM to ensure that they do not use their insider knowledge for financial gains? What prevents them for giving a friend a tip, or from using an alt to speculate? Happiness is a warm gun, mama. |
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
127
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Posted - 2013.04.11 14:25:00 -
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Currently internal affairs is the only thing I know is keeping this under control..
Question is how much is focused on ingame related value, and how much is on more important issues like RMT and NDA breaching etc..
I think that is my key point, we need some sort of internal affairs department, that only cares about ingame value. Maybe a voluntary ISD like group? At least this might help get a bit of these potential issues out of the way. Also such a group of either vols or devs would be able to keep communication going about what is known and what might need to be kept very secret..
Ideally I believe transparency would be the best way. A dev blog from time to time actually disclosing the expected trends, but not the actual details.. So say with the discussed ICE they would come out and say there are changes that will trend like this and features that will impact this. "These are the expected trends based on consulting with investors" More would not be needed, and the speculation would then be about how much and a more fair bidding war would ensue..
Well that is just my personal POV..
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
807
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Posted - 2013.04.11 14:59:00 -
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Coming from a person who thinks that NPC services are evil and should be replaced entirely by player provided services (because the game should not hold our hand on those sorts of things), "I think CCP should hold our hands with regards to market speculation" is an odd standpoint.
Besides, "spelling out the trends in devblogs" or whatever is no more "fair" than tidbits being dropped at PAX or commented on in video devblogs (yeah, they talked about ice a lot there too.) It just benefits those who happen to be online at the time of the blog posting, instead of those willing to put in the effort to seek out kernels of information and then (despite the risk them being unconfirmed and potentially misleading) invest based on them.
Samroski wrote: As an aside: what checks and balances are there on CSM to ensure that they do not use their insider knowledge for financial gains? What prevents them for giving a friend a tip, or from using an alt to speculate?
With respect to alts, at least, do you really think that CCP can't figure out your alts on a whim? I'll grant that I did not go to great lengths (read: no measures taken) to hide them, but they certainly knew about all of my accounts during their investigation into the FW thing.
I'm not really sure about the "tip to a friend" thing though. But if I had to guess, they'd probably keep an eye out for large purchases of relevant items and if they do notice one, investigate from there. Mynnna for CSM 8 |
Rhivre
TarNec
42
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Posted - 2013.04.11 15:51:00 -
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I am split on this... For me, speculation is about the risk, and, more often than not, getting it wrong. The problem for me would be if speculation crosses the line into "definite knowledge".
I think perhaps perception is skewed, as we only hear of the success stories (for obvious reasons)....and if everyone who speculates big is winning big every time, then it is not really speculation.
Whilst I know that there are people who have made major isk on speculation, I do not think their success rate is extremely high, and it is difficult / impossible to differentiate between those who are actually speculating, and those who just write forum posts that they made mega isk on a speculation..... Such is the joy of Eve (and RL) :)
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Marsan
Emergency and I
94
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:05:00 -
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Honestly given all the information in interviews, and devblogs I'm just plain confused on what to invest in. Sure Battle Ships seem like a sure bet like BCs, frigates, and barges were in prior patches. Until you realize that most of the cost of a BS is minerals which didn't change greatly in most of the prior patches, but with a NS industry rebalance mineral prices could drop a lot. (Mainly if the devs actually provide enough trit and the like in NS for it's needs.) Likewise in the T2 market there is too much unknown about the changes to moon goo. In the tech3 market it appears nothing has changed until you take POS changes, and possible ice changes into account. If anything I may decide to make purchases based on the assumption that I'll sell off in the weeks before the patch lands. It might be easier to predict the herd direction than the effects of the next major patch. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Samroski
Games Inc.
181
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:56:00 -
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mynnna wrote: With respect to alts, at least, do you really think that CCP can't figure out your alts on a whim? I'll grant that I did not go to great lengths (read: no measures taken) to hide them, but they certainly knew about all of my accounts during their investigation into the FW thing.
I'm not really sure about the "tip to a friend" thing though. But if I had to guess, they'd probably keep an eye out for large purchases of relevant items and if they do notice one, investigate from there.
I probably shouldn't have brought this up, as this is not an issue for me. I'm sure CCP get the CSM members to adhere to some form of a no-disclosure agreement, which is good enough for me. Not sure whether this agreement is informal/verbal or formal/legal/written?
I think speculation is an integral part of Eve, and I sincerely admire individuals who speculate based on their insight and understanding of the Eve economy. For me, it a natural progression of trade. When investing large amounts, speculation is a fascinating way to have fun. I'm relatively new to this aspect, and have had mixed success thanks to knowing next to nothing. Fun nevertheless.
In the game, every player, to an extent, has equal opportunities and access to information about the economy. Unfortunately, due to multiple (some obscure) sources of information out-of-game, access to information for speculation does not follow suit. I may be asking for too much (equal access to game changes info), and probably the skills to acquire this information is one of the prerequisites for speculation. Happiness is a warm gun, mama. |
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
128
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:15:00 -
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This is one of those things where its really hard to reach a simple final conclusion..
I am a HUGE fan of the metagame in all its amazing glory, especially the way its progressed into what it is now..
That said I do see it as a bit of a problem if EVE trends toward demanding these things without being good enough at supporting the needed tools.
This is a bit akin to another passion of mine ARGs, where many expect extensive knowledge and access to tools to solve cryptos and narrative mysteries. In those it makes sort of sense that you need outside tools and out of context thinking, but in EVE ccp needs to make sure that the 3rd party involvement is not vital.. Espcially because stability is an issue..
Now Mynnna and many in the MD history have been good to share tools and information and engage in disccussion about the speculative aspect of EVE. Its just a bit iffy to me and would be nice to see ccp taking even more steps towards acknowledging how much EVE is not just inside the client. Again huge steps have already been taken in this aspect, but alas as always MD and markets gets attention last. I guess we are the ugly pup in the litter.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
807
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:49:00 -
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Samroski wrote:
In the game, every player, to an extent, has equal opportunities and access to information about the economy. Unfortunately, due to multiple (some obscure) sources of information out-of-game, access to information for speculation does not follow suit. I may be asking for too much (equal access to game changes info), and probably the skills to acquire this information is one of the prerequisites for speculation.
Everyone does have equal access to game change info, though. Dev blogs and the test server are public, and serve as confirmation. At that point, it's not really "speculation" anymore, to be perfectly frank. It's more like a foot race to see who can get to the market first. Mynnna for CSM 8 |
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