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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2013.05.02 12:55:00 -
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Horrible sugestion. The PLEX system is a huge success in the MMO industry. |
Mike Azariah
Gallente Benevolence Association
298
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Posted - 2013.05.03 23:00:00 -
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no, plex is one of the things I show to people while explaining the game.
It's balanced and well conceived. I don't and won't support this
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1042
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Posted - 2013.05.04 02:01:00 -
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Fortis88 wrote:Well from what I've heard everyone say, (and I cant help but laugh) is that CCP would not be able to pay its employees without the selling of PLEX. So....how did they pay their employees before the selling of PLEX was implemented? With candy? How did they manage to give us free expansions before selling PLEX? Did they work all those years for free?
CCP has allowed the sale of timecodes for isk for as long as I've been playing the game. PLEX themselves are a somewhat newer (August 2008, I think) innovation to streamline the process and bring it entirely ingame.
Frankly, look at it this way: it makes the kills you get all the sweeter if you imagine it cost them real money. I don't really see what your problem is here. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9090
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Posted - 2013.05.04 09:47:00 -
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Andracin wrote:No. PLEX is probably one of the smartest things Ive seen an MMO do.
This. They're an incredibly smart solution to a number of problems and I've never seen any argument against them that didn't revolve around some kind of weird purity-test notion that removing them wouldn't instantly result in a massive RMT boom.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9090
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Posted - 2013.05.04 09:51:00 -
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Javon Bars wrote:Fortis88 wrote:Well from what I've heard everyone say, (and I cant help but laugh) is that CCP would not be able to pay its employees without the selling of PLEX. So....how did they pay their employees before the selling of PLEX was implemented? With candy? How did they manage to give us free expansions before selling PLEX? Did they work all those years for free? You're fairly new to the game so it's understandable that you don't know how it was before PLEXes were introduced, despite your ridiculous candy remarks I'll give a serious answer: Before PLEX were introduced people traded directly in GTC. You bought a GTC and sold it ingame directly for isk. Exact same thing as now except now there's an ingame item that represents it.
Just FYI, I've already told him this, and even showed him that there was a GTC trade forum on the EVE-O website before PLEX were introduced. Despite this, he maintained that GTC trading wasn't permitted by CCP.
He's not someone to be persuaded out of his ideas by little things like "facts", "evidence" or "reason".
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Theia Matova
Dominance Theory
98
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:02:00 -
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Andracin wrote:No. PLEX is probably one of the smartest things Ive seen an MMO do. In every other MMO people have to buy game money from RMT traders if they want a quick step up. Here it is much easier to legitimately do it and support CCP rather than some chinese criminal enterprise, which reduces the number of RMT accounts wrecking the economy. It also rewards players who dedicate time in the game by letting them play for "free". Name one other MMO that you can pay in-game currency for game time... As for people who waste isk on ship after ship full of shiny...well being a pirate I say bring it on...there is nothing like catching an entirely blinging mission runner trying his luck in low sec...money can buy ships but it don't buy skill...
@ Andracin, its really good thing that I do agree with you however. I also see concern of the original poster of "ships" growing in trees.
I am torn apart. I do see that plexer pilots upkeep the prices of the hulls and waste them. Yet I hope there was less involvement of RL money in the game.
@OP, currently plexers can keep the economy flowing and this could not be removed or it would destroy the economy. Yet I wish something could be done to that player could not simply just replace everything they lost with plex. It evolves irresponsible people that do deserve to die :p
Sorry but I can't really side either ways since I see issues with both. I wish plex could be adjusted somehow that it was not as immediate as it is today but well I do not have solution how this be achieved. Other discussions: Racial systems balancing and homogenization Bounty contracts |
Shadow' Broker
Outcast Cartel ROFL Citizens
1
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Posted - 2013.06.29 14:48:00 -
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Fortis88 wrote:What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk? It really takes away the edge of losing a ship and allows players to be more careless and unrealistic in pvp since they know that their isk "grows on trees". There is no pride in your profession, whether its salvaging, mining, or pirating/looting since all you have to do is just buy more isk when you run out. I believe that the selling of PLEX should be removed from the game.
Money grows on trees?
Are you Paris Hilton? |
Robert Saint
Playright
73
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Posted - 2013.06.29 20:18:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:See what happened? You got trolled by RL poor ppl who play internet spaceship game for free. Some ppl are RL rich, they're known here in Eve as noobs, others are RL poor, known as 1337 vets. Here, bums make fun of normal ppl. Don't take that away from them.
THIS.....
Circle of Life..... the new player will eventually become the old timer once he figures things out in game a bit, and it will all work out... sort of like a long term life insurance policy that you maintain to the end.... someone will collect it!! |
Rico Minali
The Straw Men
1289
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Posted - 2013.06.30 11:59:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:Let me tell you what would happen in my instance if they stopped PLEX sales.
I would immediately go down to 1 account. $15 a month I can kinda justify for a video game but certainly not $15 x the number I currently run.
Then it would dawn on me that I'm not having any fun with just one character and the last account would probably go.
So...no.
I would just quit altogether to be honest, I pumped around -ú250 into this game before I started paying with isk bought plex many years ago, that is more than I have ever spent on any game in my life and I will not pay any more for it. So, I pay with in game money to play, CCP still get paid there real money and everyone is happy. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Amyclas Amatin
New Order Inspectorate for Mining Permits
129
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Posted - 2013.06.30 12:00:00 -
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Robert Saint wrote:sabre906 wrote:See what happened? You got trolled by RL poor ppl who play internet spaceship game for free. Some ppl are RL rich, they're known here in Eve as noobs, others are RL poor, known as 1337 vets. Here, bums make fun of normal ppl. Don't take that away from them. THIS..... Circle of Life..... the new player will eventually become the old timer once he figures things out in game a bit, and it will all work out... sort of like a long term life insurance policy that you maintain to the end.... someone will collect it!!
Then he'll get addicted to the game, his RL will go down the toilet, and he'll become one of those 1337 vets who funds their gaming with plex but bum around in real life. Then the circle will be complete! For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
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Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
223
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Posted - 2013.07.13 16:18:00 -
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I am a seller of plex My Job has me working 80+ hours a week.
I am lucky if I have 2 hours a week to play. I am a casual Player I pay for subscription every 3 Months for 3 account I buy upto additional 9 plex to buy stuff so I can die in a horrid blaze of Glory as I am a Sucky Pilot. I play the game to to have fun. I am the worlds worst Industrialist.
With the money I spend, even though I am not active, I fund CCP development equal to 6 Subscriptions
Eve needs money to run its game, and people like me I provide the income so progression of fixes and expansions will continue with out me Eve would turn into You can Play Earth and Beyond a game that is trying to be rebuilt by volunteers
If there was not plex, RMT would be rampant. As If I had not been banned by then I would have been buying RMT Isk to fund my activities. Resulting in Bots taking up CPU and CCP getting none of my money.
You say that When I loose a ship it does not Hurt. I have had to endure Extra long work hours, My wage sucks, to earn the cash. When I buy something new, sure I may buy expensive stuff, unlike WOW, the Having the best gear does not mean I will win,
So it does hurt.
Some day I will have the internet and be able to play again. |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
27
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Posted - 2013.07.13 19:38:00 -
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Fortis88 wrote:What is the point of all these in game professions if all players need to do is swipe the credit card and buy plex out of game then sell it in game for 500 million isk? It really takes away the edge of losing a ship and allows players to be more careless and unrealistic in pvp since they know that their isk "grows on trees". There is no pride in your profession, whether its salvaging, mining, or pirating/looting since all you have to do is just buy more isk when you run out. I believe that the selling of PLEX should be removed from the game. NO, now go crawl back under your bridge little troll. |
Hexor V
M. Corp Engineering Fatal Ascension
20
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Posted - 2013.07.14 19:29:00 -
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While we are at it CCP should remove titans, supercaps, jump clones, and charge 70 dollars a month.. Lets get a real EDGE GOING MAN..
/sarcasm
Worst idea ever. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2417
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Posted - 2013.07.17 05:24:00 -
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Fortis88 wrote:And I am fine with purchasing PLEX with in game isk. Just not selling it in game to other players. It should be purchased directly from CCP with in game money. It should have NO in game resell value.
CCP have buttons that make isk grow on trees. Hence no value there.
But rl moniez... that doesnt grow on trees.
0/10 Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Grace Ishukone
Ishukone Advanced Research
26
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:23:00 -
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It's too late now, the damage is done by PLEX. Love it or hate it, if CCP took away PLEX now, the game would die. That simple, it's here to stay. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15214
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:27:00 -
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Grace Ishukone wrote:It's too late now, the damage is done by PLEX. Love it or hate it, if CCP took away PLEX now, the game would die. That simple, it's here to stay. What damage exactly?
Oh and this would mean that whatever damage you are referring too, has been happening since 2004. All the plex did, was simplify ETC/GTC sales.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
samualvimes
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
47
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Posted - 2013.08.07 22:02:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Grace Ishukone wrote:It's too late now, the damage is done by PLEX. Love it or hate it, if CCP took away PLEX now, the game would die. That simple, it's here to stay. What damage exactly? Oh and this would mean that whatever damage you are referring too, has been happening since 2004. All the plex did, was simplify ETC/GTC sales.
I think he must mean damage to RMTers right? That's the only valid thing I can think of. Only an idiot would think PLEX is bad.
noone in these forums are idiots are they? |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1898
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Posted - 2013.08.07 22:49:00 -
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plex makes eve a mix of sub based and F2P. Thats very unique in the industry and you could argue that it works perfectly in eve and its economy.
not to mention that i don't think that plex changes anything on the perceived value of ISK, on the contrary, i think if somebody loses a t3 bought via plex could rage quit faster than somebody who did some trading or pve to get the ISK for the ship. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Jawhit Jarus
Genosse Corporation Rezeda Regnum
8
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Posted - 2013.08.09 18:07:00 -
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I wil say olnly one thing: CCP don't even think about this, please! SPACE WAR DUCKS ALL WORLD TONIGHT GALAXY NIMBUS-300 CORPORATION |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11244
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Posted - 2013.08.15 12:22:00 -
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Jawhit Jarus wrote:I wil say olnly one thing: CCP don't even think about this, please!
I honestly wouldn't worry if I were you. CCP management aren't utter idiots.
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2020
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:05:00 -
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hi i'm ccp I'm just going to throw away a huge chunk of my income stream to make some ****** on the internet happy. |
M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project Surely You're Joking
269
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Posted - 2013.08.17 01:16:00 -
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Definitely a no.
Yet again calling for a dislike button CCP :D How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Baron Ivanov
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.15 07:48:00 -
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Fortis88 wrote:There should be no quick steps up. Period. Plex or otherwise. You don't legalize crime to prevent crime.
But that's just it - it's not a crime.
Think of it as doing the dishes to pay for your meal. :) |
oOReikaOo Michiko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.18 05:39:00 -
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My newb 2 cents -
Was looking to buy ISK and found this thread instead and am now going to buy PLEX to sell.
Why buy ISK :
I was going to buy ISK because the whole benefit of EVE Online for me is I can level while busy at work and such, don't have the time to grind it out. I wanted to get enough to buy some implants so that I'm utilizing all that downtime appropriatly so I can catch up and just jump right in.
I understand OP's view, but ISK buying will happen because people like myself have money not time. This makes me feel less like a criminal and more like I'm furthering the game as a whole, one by paying CCP and two by giving the real dedicated players free play for their hard work. |
Andracin
Sickology Dead Terrorists
249
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:00:00 -
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oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:My newb 2 cents -
Was looking to buy ISK and found this thread instead and am now going to buy PLEX to sell.
Why buy ISK :
I was going to buy ISK because the whole benefit of EVE Online for me is I can level while busy at work and such, don't have the time to grind it out. I wanted to get enough to buy some implants so that I'm utilizing all that downtime appropriatly so I can catch up and just jump right in.
I understand OP's view, but ISK buying will happen because people like myself have money not time. This makes me feel less like a criminal and more like I'm furthering the game as a whole, one by paying CCP and two by giving the real dedicated players free play for their hard work.
Besides the fact that CCP probably are the singly best MMO company at catching RMT transactions and hitting your account with a ban and/or suddenly withdrawing all your purchased isk leaving you with a negative wallet. Buying ISK from 3rd party vendors with PLEX as a viable and legal alternative would be a special brand of stupid. |
oOReikaOo Michiko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:46:00 -
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Andracin wrote:oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:My newb 2 cents -
Was looking to buy ISK and found this thread instead and am now going to buy PLEX to sell.
Why buy ISK :
I was going to buy ISK because the whole benefit of EVE Online for me is I can level while busy at work and such, don't have the time to grind it out. I wanted to get enough to buy some implants so that I'm utilizing all that downtime appropriatly so I can catch up and just jump right in.
I understand OP's view, but ISK buying will happen because people like myself have money not time. This makes me feel less like a criminal and more like I'm furthering the game as a whole, one by paying CCP and two by giving the real dedicated players free play for their hard work. Besides the fact that CCP probably are the singly best MMO company at catching RMT transactions and hitting your account with a ban and/or suddenly withdrawing all your purchased isk leaving you with a negative wallet. Buying ISK from 3rd party vendors with PLEX as a viable and legal alternative would be a special brand of stupid.
You failed at reading...
Was gonna buy isk.. found this thread.. bought plex instead |
IbanezLaney
the church of awesome Caldari State Capturing
557
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Posted - 2013.09.20 06:24:00 -
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Fortis88 wrote:I am unemployed and can not afford PLEX. Due to not having a job, I sit and grind isk all day. I believe that the selling of PLEX should be removed from the game. If people want lots of isk they should quit wasting time in their rl jobs and become unemployed like me. Only the unemployed/welfare recipients should be successful in eve as the employed get to be successful in real life. Plex selling means these arseholes who contribute to society via taxes and hard work can have as much isk as my unemployed lazy arse. This doesn't seem fair. WHAHAHAHA
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
STush T
Capital Sin
4
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:26:00 -
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I think its pretty clear, plex=good
CCP is out to make money, its a business, not a charity. Considering that in a business the single driving force is . . .MONEY F2P games just use a different tactic to make their money, usually by saying their f2p but are really p2w. What CCP has done with EVE is by far the best balance between making money for ccp, and keeping a balance for the players. Sure you can sell plex you bought, but like people have said, shiny ships arent the end-all be-all advantage that most p2w players want. First theres leveling, just because you can afford it doesnt mean you can use it. Second there is module balance, yes the dead space module reps more, but it uses proportionately more cap. Third there is ship balance (roughly) meaing, oh your in a 3bil battleship, well that means jack $**** when i point you and orbit under your guns. Fourth, and my favorite, the longer you think there is a way to buy a button, that you push to win, the longer youll have your credit card out continuously flooding the market with cheap plex to replace your blingy waaah mobile that once again got popped by veteran pirates who just bought your cheap plex so they can keep playing indirectly off your money. Thats not only balance, thats the godd@mn circle of life! Its beautiful, absolutely brilliant.
Dont cry about people selling plex, they are the building blocks at the bottom of the food chain that feed the world that is EVE
disclaimers; i have sold a plex or two to buy my blingy ships, i dont pvp, and i pay a subscription. Sorry if i stepped on someones toes (the said vets) |
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