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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.31 06:43:00 -
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The State has many enemies. There are Gallente, Matari, Sansha, Gurista and many others less significant ones. We fight with them daily, defending borders of our beloved nation and protecting our interests.
But the most dangerous of all enemies are anti-provists.
They are like little rodents, like cockroaches. If they are not detected and disposed of in time, they can gain access and strike from inside, to the most vulnerable spots. Even Sansha with his wormholes does not possess such great threat.
Anti-provists do not share common ideals of citizens of the State. They want to see our nation separated. They want us to start fighting with each other instead of fighting against common enemy. They want us to stop fighting in our current war, that will give our enemies unprecedented advantage. They don't want us to win, they want us to lose and to subjugate to whatever side pays or harbors them, whether it is Sansha, Gallente, or anything else, it will bring only destruction to the State.
And this we can't allow! It is our duty to find them and report them. It is hard to detect them, since most of the time they imitate loyal citizens. But we must fight them, as we fight other external enemies, with fire and steel. And we must fight them even harder, because they should not be allowed to live in our State!
After all, I won't be surprised, if the investigation of the recent events will show, that during defense of Caldari Prime CN Shiigeru was destroyed by sabotage, caused by insider who happened to be anti-provist. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
770
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Posted - 2013.03.31 07:18:00 -
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Sen-sational! Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Vikarion
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
439
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Posted - 2013.03.31 07:34:00 -
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F*** off, Diana Kim. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1381
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Posted - 2013.03.31 07:36:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote: After all, I won't be surprised, if the investigation of the recent events will show, that during defense of Caldari Prime CN Shiigeru was destroyed by sabotage, caused by insider who happened to be anti-provist.
I won't be surprised either if the Executor's investigation reveals fault to lay anywhere but with himself.
Such results are often so convenient, aren't they?
Such is the Provist way. Blame anybody but yourself for the issues you cause.
Shosho Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Diplomat ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
679
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Posted - 2013.03.31 07:37:00 -
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Provists are but one political faction in the Marketplace of ideas - you must also consider the ideas of the Practicals, the Patriots and the Liberals to get a full polling of the wide diversity of the State, Kim-haani.
I respect you for your unceasing work on the Front, but your command of State Politics is shakier. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
227
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Posted - 2013.03.31 07:50:00 -
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1. The provision of labels.
2. The attributing of values to labels.
3. The segregation of persons according to real or perceived adherence to attributes.
4. The persecution of persons if such attributes and labels are classified as, "Enemies".
The great thing about witch-hunts as outlined by the method above is that one can essentially classify anyone as an enemy once legal procedure and rational thought are abandoned. Just take the label, "Anti-Provist", by making the attributes wide enough in scope then anyone at all can be your enemy until society devolves into the quagmire of fear, paranoia and denunciations for the sake of denunciations which leads to nothing more than a lack of social cohesion, community, violence and anarchy.
Such is often the way with populist leaders who appeal to the rule of the mobs and not the rule of Law.
I believe President Duvailer was one such man, among many littered through history. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2373
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Posted - 2013.03.31 08:12:00 -
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So after your attempt to "unite other nations" against the Federation failed, you're attempting to sew fear, uncertainty and doubt within your own.
How much does FIO PsyOps pay you? I'm not sure who's getting ripped off here. Mane 614
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Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
286
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Posted - 2013.03.31 09:07:00 -
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Making your own people the enemy is more likely to destroy your nation than anything else. Anti-Provists are not some subversive element, they are just hard working men and women who don't agree with the men and women who try to steal power from the Megacorporations.
Also there is no investigation into the loss of the Shiigeru; Heth is investigating Admiral Yanala herself. |
Daniel L'Siata
Echelon Conflict Resolution.
224
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Posted - 2013.03.31 10:11:00 -
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My eyes hurt.
Including the cybernetic one.
To clarify, even my circuitry and operating systems feel genuine pain at having to read that statement. |
Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
568
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Posted - 2013.03.31 11:03:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:How much does FIO PsyOps pay you? I'm not sure who's getting ripped off here.
As time goes on, this seems to be emerging as the most logical explanation. It's either that or a bad caricature by neo-Ultra Nats.
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Lialus Raithe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
173
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Posted - 2013.03.31 11:34:00 -
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I remain thankful that individuals like Mademoiselle Kim are a minority among the Caldari. Not for my sake, but theirs. |
Gwen Ikiryo
Hoderi's Folly
88
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Posted - 2013.03.31 14:01:00 -
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Kim-haani... I'm not even sure what to say to this.
Your frankly frightening level of indoctrination would make a fantastic arguement for Achur seperatism if you weren't somehow far more extremist then the people you apparantly support. I'm almost inclined to believe mister Ixiris's assesment of you as a Federal plant.
I mean, Gods - You could make a Dragonaur blush, with your politics, you know? |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
43
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Posted - 2013.03.31 15:01:00 -
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I know this is a very liberal notion, but hear me out:
Perhaps if you didn't work so hard to alienate everyone, you wouldn't have so many enemies? |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
571
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Posted - 2013.03.31 16:28:00 -
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As bat crap crazy as Kim is and some of you are still giving her the -haani honorific? I think that train left the station a long time ago. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
44
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Posted - 2013.03.31 16:35:00 -
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Some trust in formality. As for myself, I tend not to use that title for Kim or Heth. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1383
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Posted - 2013.03.31 18:06:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:As bat crap crazy as Kim is and some of you are still giving her the -haani honorific? I think that train left the station a long time ago.
She might be a foaming at the mouth Provist with jackboots five sizes too big for her feet... but she's earned that honorific. She's lived almost entirely for the State. Sure, perhaps she lives for a vision of the State and a man which we don't agree with... but she's done her very best for the State nonetheless.
Just as it would be extremely improper to purposefully exclude the honorific from a Patriot if you were a Liberal, or a Holder if you were a commoner, or whatever... it is here too. It's not up to us to pull that title in a fickle display of attitude.
Perhaps that is acceptable in the Republic. Perhaps if you disagree with the way somebody passionately serves what they see as the good of the Republic, you can refuse to acknowledge the good they have actually done for it. Perhaps those in your culture only sometimes respect those who have sacrificed much for it. Only when you really like them, right?
No.
Kim-haani has earned her place many times over.
Besides, even if she hadn't... she'd still be Kim-haani.
.... because -haan/-haani only means "citizen". Shosho Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Diplomat ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
46
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Posted - 2013.03.31 18:42:00 -
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Oniseki-haani, I understand your logic, but I find it difficult to apply.
I have worked my entire life for Ishukone Corporation, and indeed continue to do so. Given Ms. Kim's recent comments, and indeed those made here, I am almost certainly one of those anti-Provists that Ms. Kim speaks of. She likens me to a rodent, to a cockroach, and indicates that I should be 'reported.' Reported? To what authority? Have I broken the State's laws? No -- but I disagree with the Provists, and that makes me a traitor and an enemy, one which should be dealt with.
I am quite certain that if they were to serve me tea, it would not be in a friendly way.
And so I cannot do her the honor of acknowledging her citizenship, even if it is truth, because she does not do me the honor of acknowledging mine. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1386
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Posted - 2013.03.31 19:04:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote: And so I cannot do her the honor of acknowledging her citizenship, even if it is truth, because she does not do me the honor of acknowledging mine.
Then you give her exactly what she wants, exactly what you disagree with her for.
In perfect irony, you have decided to fight her by willingly subjecting yourself to the very ends she's seeking. You allow her to create disharmony and separatism among us by refusing to acknowledge her legitimacy within the State. Instead of her lone voice crying shrill in the night of drawing battle lines in the sand among our people... you have legitimized her by drawing some of your own.
Do you not see this?
One does not stop dangerous factional polarization by angrily pointing out the differences in your rivals. I urge you and everybody else here to recognize Kim-haani for what she has done for our State. You don't have to like her. You don't have to lay down and let her walk all over you. But you should not be attacking her very citizenship just because she correctly points out you do not support her extremist views.
None of you have the right or authority to decide who is and is not a citizen of our great State. None of you.
Remember that. Shosho Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Diplomat ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Kellanthia
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.03.31 19:36:00 -
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I agree with what Pieter Tuulinen said as there is more to the State then just being a provist.
The State is currently overcome with a political climate I may not agree with at this time, but you can still we loyal to the State and not agree with towing the provist line. I am not one whom agrees with witch hunting and punishing those whom have done nothing wrong just on assumptions. I hope that our leader can do the right thing and realize that as the leader on the State, all its Naval action for good or ill all stop at him regardless since he is their Commander in Chief. The blame should all be placed upon his shoulders as such is the burden of leadership.
I feel that you sale your fellow State citizenry short with your statements Diana Kim. Your type of thinking is dangerous as it only makes us weaker. If someone is guilty of treason treat it as such, us Caldari should always be vigilant in the face of adversity of our enemies. But the hate you are trying to spread and ignite is shameful. |
Hans Nardieu
Federal Nationalist Party
50
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Posted - 2013.03.31 22:20:00 -
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Grideris wrote:
As time goes on, this seems to be emerging as the most logical explanation. It's either that or a bad caricature by neo-Ultra Nats.
Hey, we're not responsible for her! Col. Hans Nardieu (ret.) Chairman, National Party of the Federated Union of Gallente Prime Office of the Party Headquarters, Villore VII-6 Senate Bureau Station |
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Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
171
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Posted - 2013.03.31 23:18:00 -
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Colorful paranoia never hurt anyone... much; and it certainly doesn't mean there isn't a conspiracy. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1048
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Posted - 2013.03.31 23:32:00 -
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Anti-Provist reporting in.
True Caldari live for the State, not for one man. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
120
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Posted - 2013.04.01 00:28:00 -
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Thought the title said: "Anti-Provist Thread"
Left disappointed. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
685
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Posted - 2013.04.01 00:30:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Makoto Priano wrote: And so I cannot do her the honor of acknowledging her citizenship, even if it is truth, because she does not do me the honor of acknowledging mine.
Then you give her exactly what she wants, exactly what you disagree with her for. In perfect irony, you have decided to fight her by willingly subjecting yourself to the very ends she's seeking. You allow her to create disharmony and separatism among us by refusing to acknowledge her legitimacy within the State. Instead of her lone voice crying shrill in the night of drawing battle lines in the sand among our people... you have legitimized her by drawing some of your own. Do you not see this? One does not stop dangerous factional polarization by angrily pointing out the differences in your rivals. I urge you and everybody else here to recognize Kim- haani for what she has done for our State. You don't have to like her. You don't have to lay down and let her walk all over you. But you should not be attacking her very citizenship just because she correctly points out you do not support her extremist views. None of you have the right or authority to decide who is and is not a citizen of our great State. None of you. Remember that.
Kim-haani has political ideas that I do not share or agree with - but she is out here on the Front fighting for me and all of you every damn day. She's one of us. |
Trensk Mikakka
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.01 01:26:00 -
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Honestly, this is getting out of hand. We're here going back and forth over "Provistism" or whatever and it's reaching Hitleresque hatred of the anti-provists, and Stalinistic paranoia. Really, we need to help our Home and then figure out how to stop this war. I don't like being "Captain Obvious", but politics don't help a dying child in need of medicine.
All respects to Kim-Haani, and all respects to anti-provists, but the witch trials can wait, we have bigger matters to attend to. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
142
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Posted - 2013.04.01 01:37:00 -
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Something to consider: If one were tale Ms.Kim's monologue and swap every instance of the words "State" and "Federation" with each other you would then have an excellent impersonation of any typical Mentas Blaque press conference.
See Sue Sing |
Coyote Torres
Stormcrows
1
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Posted - 2013.04.01 10:16:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:
After all, I won't be surprised, if the investigation of the recent events will show, that during defense of Caldari Prime CN Shiigeru was destroyed by sabotage, caused by insider who happened to be anti-provist.
The Gallente! They're coming out of the bushes, don't kid yourselves, they're waiting in there!
No, seriously, what is this? I'm not a huge fan of Reppola, but you're going to have to admit it. Heth really **** the bed on this one.
All your crazy talk does a horrible disservice to Admiral Yanala and the company of Shiigeru that had to fight and die to try and save face for that man.
Give it up.
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Knoot Enderas
Advenus Classem Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
59
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Posted - 2013.04.01 12:46:00 -
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Kim-haani,
I have the honour of being one of your quiet admirers. Please, never let the shrill and privileged voices of the capsuleer class discourage you from speaking the truth. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
795
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Posted - 2013.04.01 13:09:00 -
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Knoot Enderas wrote:Kim-haani,
I have the honour of being one of your quiet admirers. Please, never let the shrill and privileged voices of the capsuleer class discourage you from speaking the truth.
Well if you're ever going to get a solitary endorsement that confirms you've lost the plot, this would be it.
Suppose in the same way misery loves company, delusional insanity likes to sit at the same table and swap notes. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
395
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Posted - 2013.04.01 15:56:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Provists are but one political faction in the Marketplace of ideas - you must also consider the ideas of the Practicals, the Patriots and the Liberals to get a full polling of the wide diversity of the State, Kim-haani.
I respect you for your unceasing work on the Front, but your command of State Politics is shakier. Yes, Provists are one of many. But Provists strive to unite us all to work together on national goals, so everyone plays their part. And, after all, there is a huge difference between not being a Provist and being an anti-provist: while not Provists simply do their job for the State in a way they can, anti-provists strive to destroy everything we achieved so far! |
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