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Kelgen Thann
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Posted - 2005.09.07 06:18:00 -
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Edited by: Kelgen Thann on 07/09/2005 06:31:04 Ok. First off please stick to the topic at hand, and answer the following questions if you can for those with questions. Please avoid sayign which side is right, or which side will win the war, or who is the emperor, or leader, or Grand Puba.
1) What is the Goal of Stain Alliance? a) What is their vision of Stain
2) What is the Goal of Stain Empire? a) what is our Vision of Stain?
Ohh and this is my main if your wodnering, contact me in game to verify. i don't hide behind alts.
3) What Corps does Stain Alliance Consider Hostile, and for what specific reasons, that they've fired on Stain alliance, or have just not made a position clear, or they have and it goes against Stain alliance?
4) Why is Stain Empire Against Stain Alliance Integrating into Stain Empire?
PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD ON TOPIC. ONLY INFORMATION RELEVANT TO THE QUESTIONS POSTED PLEASE. THIS THREAD IS IMPORTANT TO ME, AND MAYBE OTHERS AS WELL.
Now for my perosonal take on this all..
I have been in stain space since about october 2003 as a member in Second Wave Inc. I remember flying with the old corps and fighting against Curse as a noob pilot in a Cruiser. I was there through the near fall apart of stain and stayed. I'm a casual player, but a dedicated one. I want to know why I'm beign drawn into this fight. and I want to know what changes Trigger has in mind for Stain...
I personally LOVE the idea of Stain Empire Logistics Corp running stations and not a Corp like MASS, Species, or whatever. My old corp had BZ for a while (Second wave) But the idea of a internal Corp like SEL existing is my favorite aspect of Stain Empire. I guess what I'm saying here is What will Stain alliance change, will it change what I like about Stain Empire? If so I'm going to throw my personal fleet against Stain Alliance, and push for our corp to engage Stain Alliance till the last. If Stain Alliance will respect the corps that have existed in Stain space for ages, the new elements of Stain Empire that are good that wern't there a year ago, and the players in them then i can't see a reason why I have to fight...
As a player of over 2 years that's my thoughts and questions on the matter, please keep the discussion polite and on topic.
Thanks.
Ohh and this is my main character. I don't hide behind alts. Contact me in-game if you wish
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Bared
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Posted - 2005.09.07 06:52:00 -
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KELGAN! Oh my ******* god. LONG TIME no speak... I look forward to talking to you again man.
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Bared
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Posted - 2005.09.07 07:53:00 -
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The main reason SA is at war with SE is because of two things, 5618's hostility towards SGE, which tags or not deserves more than most in SE ever will. The other is ADGA's killing of an R-I pilot. Guys like me take loyalty very seriously, and I hate the lie that SE kkep spouting, about how they were honest and wanted to give trigg all this power and control, and how we betrayed them for attacking them for no reason. We picked sides. I'm personally looking to give the moochers abeating, and I'm personally looking to set the reconrd straight. There is no overlord agenda here. We want vengence for those we know, from those we dont. We call them the "new SE". I'd choose old friends over guys I'venever met anyday.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2005.09.07 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kelgen Thann <a lot question>
Dear Sir,
the official forum is not the very best place to discuss topics of that matter. Please contact the officials of both side in game to get answers.
Thank you and have a nice day
gfldex Setenta Stain Alliance
-- $ perl -e 'do not $fear and do not die;'
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Loftur sterki
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Posted - 2005.09.07 12:51:00 -
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Itsa game, Kelgen That is about having fun at what you pay for. Pawnin is fun, it is the andless poltics and **** like "I'm the emperor" whic turn the game into boring mining simulator, for u interested in that I recomend Chess....
Have you noticed how many matured pvp pilots turn into pirates few months before they quit....
War is nessacery....ask Bush
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CopeLand
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Posted - 2005.09.07 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kelgen Thann Edited by: Kelgen Thann on 07/09/2005 06:31:04
1) What is the Goal of Stain Alliance? a) What is their vision of Stain
2) What is the Goal of Stain Empire? a) what is our Vision of Stain?
3) What Corps does Stain Alliance Consider Hostile, and for what specific reasons, that they've fired on Stain alliance, or have just not made a position clear, or they have and it goes against Stain alliance?
4) Why is Stain Empire Against Stain Alliance Integrating into Stain Empire?
not an offical response but ill try my best to relate my view and opinion
1)to get rid of backstabbing ppl and their support group.
2)the goal of stain empire atm is that cujo and his sidekicks remain in power so they can backstab more ppl, abuse more ppl,get richer on "rebuilding" their empire and boast in forums
3)species, foff, adga, and some others that are supporting them, xenobytes for one
4)stain empire set former se corps to kos, mainly storm guard and redemption inc, for no reason than some personal vendictiveness and grudges in the command structure.
They displayed brilliant arrogance and general unwillingness to solve the situation peacefully until mass declared support for these corps, then they offered trigger and mass to return to se and things would change and be ok.
This was however a lie, coupled with some unnatural demands about infrastructure of said corps(kicking and other things powermad ppl comeup with) and intended to remain in power and as i said, backstab more ppl, lie to more ppl and generally show undesired characteristics towards ppl that made the mistake of having them at +
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Kelgen Thann
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Posted - 2005.09.07 16:03:00 -
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Thanks for the info. and in reply to the guy about the PVP comment, I do it all. I just keep to myself, I don't post kills, I don't complain when I'm klilled.
I'm pretty sure Stain Empire won't post here, but I got enough information from them. I was hoping to get two sides posted here for the general members of both sides to look at and see the middle ground between the two statements, but is all good.
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.09.07 17:48:00 -
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Kelgan, I'm done with explanations. I've witnessed enough to know that truth and honesty do not count in this game.
It's only how well you can lie and how often that seems to make the difference.
I'm not willing to play those kinds of games.
Watch, someone will twist these words before too long as well.
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Selynna
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Posted - 2005.09.07 17:58:00 -
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I will tell you why imo this is all happening.
It's a plot by CCP.
The Stain region was finally quieting down, safe and secure for the most part as was shown by having ~300 Stain members leave their home region to invade the North.
What would happen if 2000 players did nothing but rat and mine and make money for a few months? Why, they'd all become rich as heck, and that in turn would either ruin the Eve economy or shift all power into the hands of a very few.
Now we can't have that, so CCP activated their master plan and convinced Trigger to move back to the Stain region and create the ensuing chaos. Ha ha, no more 00 carebearing now!
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KrakizBad
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Posted - 2005.09.07 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Selynna I will tell you why imo this is all happening.
It's a plot by CCP.
The Stain region was finally quieting down, safe and secure for the most part as was shown by having ~300 Stain members leave their home region to invade the North.
What would happen if 2000 players did nothing but rat and mine and make money for a few months? Why, they'd all become rich as heck, and that in turn would either ruin the Eve economy or shift all power into the hands of a very few.
Now we can't have that, so CCP activated their master plan and convinced Trigger to move back to the Stain region and create the ensuing chaos. Ha ha, no more 00 carebearing now!
As crazy as that sounds there may be some truth behind it for you conspiracy theorists. Trigger has historically had some un-orthodox ties to CCP. Off the top of my head i am thinking about the time they let him start an alliance w/o his skill being completed at the time. If i recall corectly CCP allowed trigger to form the alliance after the patch if he promised to train the required skills imediately.
On the serious note though, this isn't a terrible post. Would be nice to have a general idea and goal of both sides. Seems anyone you ask from either side gives you a dif. story than the last person.
To the guy that complained about politics, just don't. If there were no politics in EVE, they would naturally develop. There's strength in numbers, and politics in numbers. Just leave them to those that care and do what you're told =-P
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Kelgen Thann
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Posted - 2005.09.07 19:51:00 -
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Quote: Kelgan, I'm done with explanations. I've witnessed enough to know that truth and honesty do not count in this game.
Fair enough. Your probably right on that issue. But this post is just for those who want to know what is happening to the area they call home in the game. I know people on both sides so I'm startign to get a good idea, but a lot of people have no idea what is going on and are confused.
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ElricUK
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Posted - 2005.09.10 15:34:00 -
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Quote: As crazy as that sounds there may be some truth behind it for you conspiracy theorists. Trigger has historically had some un-orthodox ties to CCP. Off the top of my head i am thinking about the time they let him start an alliance w/o his skill being completed at the time. If i recall corectly CCP allowed trigger to form the alliance after the patch if he promised to train the required skills imediately.
They also offered the same thing to multiple alliances at the time
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Kelgen Thann
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Posted - 2005.09.10 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Kelgen Thann on 10/09/2005 20:13:40 All is known about this topic now if one does their reserch. Please close this thread.
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UnIQu3
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Posted - 2005.09.12 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Selynna
It's a plot by CCP.
Yea the devs told us to get the south boiled up so people will get really active... so they could reach the 15k peeps online...
Yea, ebil plan!
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Taz Devlin
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Posted - 2005.09.12 15:51:00 -
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Yup, and it worked too
Fly with us!
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Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2005.09.14 18:29:00 -
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You Guys need to have a huge war so we can call it "The Empire vs The Alliance"
cue up Imperial Grand March theme music...
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Amarr CEO
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Posted - 2005.10.16 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kelgen Thann Edited by: Kelgen Thann on 07/09/2005 06:31:04 Ok. First off please stick to the topic at hand, and answer the following questions if you can for those with questions. Please avoid sayign which side is right, or which side will win the war, or who is the emperor, or leader, or Grand Puba.
1) What is the Goal of Stain Alliance? a) What is their vision of Stain
2) What is the Goal of Stain Empire? a) what is our Vision of Stain?
Ohh and this is my main if your wodnering, contact me in game to verify. i don't hide behind alts.
3) What Corps does Stain Alliance Consider Hostile, and for what specific reasons, that they've fired on Stain alliance, or have just not made a position clear, or they have and it goes against Stain alliance?
4) Why is Stain Empire Against Stain Alliance Integrating into Stain Empire?
PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD ON TOPIC. ONLY INFORMATION RELEVANT TO THE QUESTIONS POSTED PLEASE. THIS THREAD IS IMPORTANT TO ME, AND MAYBE OTHERS AS WELL.
Now for my perosonal take on this all..
I have been in stain space since about october 2003 as a member in Second Wave Inc. I remember flying with the old corps and fighting against Curse as a noob pilot in a Cruiser. I was there through the near fall apart of stain and stayed. I'm a casual player, but a dedicated one. I want to know why I'm beign drawn into this fight. and I want to know what changes Trigger has in mind for Stain...
I personally LOVE the idea of Stain Empire Logistics Corp running stations and not a Corp like MASS, Species, or whatever. My old corp had BZ for a while (Second wave) But the idea of a internal Corp like SEL existing is my favorite aspect of Stain Empire. I guess what I'm saying here is What will Stain alliance change, will it change what I like about Stain Empire? If so I'm going to throw my personal fleet against Stain Alliance, and push for our corp to engage Stain Alliance till the last. If Stain Alliance will respect the corps that have existed in Stain space for ages, the new elements of Stain Empire that are good that wern't there a year ago, and the players in them then i can't see a reason why I have to fight...
As a player of over 2 years that's my thoughts and questions on the matter, please keep the discussion polite and on topic.
Thanks.
Ohh and this is my main character. I don't hide behind alts. Contact me in-game if you wish
I believe answers to these types of questions are best left to members which reside in each alliance.
But from what i gather, and also for anyone else login on months after this conflict i shall try and give a basic run down.
Trigger was offerd to be Emperor of stain and executor corp of stain after he left. He turned it DOWN. So it was offerd to Cujo of species. Who took the offer. After months of hard work and comitment of the pilots in the Stain Empire it bacame strong. During a HUGE engagement against the north in retaliation of attacks from them, trigger Demanded to be emperor and executor corp and kick corps out of SE. A bit harsh. Cujo, Boofer and others renegotiated stating that Trigger could return as emperor, bring with him MASS and Friends to join also, then at a later date CEOs of all corps could take the vote on the executor corp. Within 24 hrs Trigger has changed his mind and claimed corps needed to be kicked out bla bla bla. Following these threats the Weaker minded carebear corps who take assets over loyalty and honour left the SE to join SA only to secure the own demise. Your time will come believe me. Anyway back to the story. They declared an empire war which they got pwned in and retracted, XB are doing excellent work killing more SA than i care to count. As for another empire war WATCH this space. But i doubt it will be that much of a show. So look to the future and wait for the tides have turned once and can surely turn again.
Please note only an empire can Have an emperor.
One Family.....One Goal.....One Future Adeptus Gattacus the Way Forward ADGA SITE |
Amarr CEO
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Posted - 2005.10.16 14:37:00 -
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These views are only my turn of events. If i got it wrong, who cares its SA v SE.
SE 4TW!
One Family.....One Goal.....One Future Adeptus Gattacus the Way Forward ADGA SITE |
Orc A
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Posted - 2005.10.16 21:03:00 -
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Quote: Please note only an empire can Have an emperor.
Please note: 3 corps with no space are not an Empire. -Orky |
spekenbonen
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Posted - 2005.10.16 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Orc A
Quote: Please note only an empire can Have an emperor.
Please note: 3 corps with no space are not an Empire.
Those alliance pages haven't been updated for almost a month now.
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2005.10.17 06:06:00 -
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Quote: Your time will come believe me. Anyway back to the story. They declared an empire war which they got pwned in and retracted, XB are doing excellent work killing more SA than i care to count.
pwned in empire war? so we retracted?
Okay...
And ya, XB are still in stain fighting, where the hell are you and species? Thats right, empire. What do you do all day? mine veld and plot your revenge?
Oh and one last thing, bumping dead threads is lame. _______________________________________________
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Chalice Ghant
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Posted - 2005.10.17 06:59:00 -
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If we were getting "pwnd in empire" as you put it, why didnŠt you redeclare when we retracted?
You want to shoot us in empire? Declare war...simple. Need a loan? Variable rates apply.
See a lot of BE and XB about, and on a side note, thanks for helping me get to paragon soul quicker than expected last night B.E (OK minus ship and pod), but we donŠt see species or any of the other "Stain Empire" corps about.
And as Foo said, resurrecting old threads is really really lame.....mind you so is replying to an old thread telling the poster that resurrecting old threads is lame.....AW CRAP |
Maggot
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Posted - 2005.10.17 09:06:00 -
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Quote: If i recall corectly CCP allowed trigger to form the alliance after the patch if he promised to train the required skills imediately.
Immediately after alliance capability was made available this breach of the rules was extended to anyone who was serious about starting an alliance. I know of at least one other alliance that was formed that had not trained up the required skill (not U'K in case you wondered).
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.10.18 00:48:00 -
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well its good business this SE-SA war so if u want to keep hositilireis going then empire business and manufacutring corps arent complaining one bit
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Creamster
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Posted - 2005.10.18 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Chalice Ghant
See a lot of BE and XB about
Just to clarify these corporations are not cooperating in any way and are kos to each other. ___________ 2005.09.04:"After the 7 days SE corporations will be removed from the said regions" (Q) XB killboard |
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