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Rena Senn
Resurrection Ventures Un.Bound
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Posted - 2013.04.02 08:58:00 -
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Recent patch changes has made it so that any loot not inside a wreck will always be parsed into separate jetcans if their total mass exceeds a single can's 27500 m3 capacity. It seems this has led to the unfortunate consequence that any object exceeding this size, such as packaged battleships and all unpackaged ships larger than frigates, can no longer drop as loot since they will not fit inside a jetcan. If a freighter wreck is salvaged, all such large objects disappear. Worse, since Ship Maintenance Arrays do not leave a wreck and no longer eject ships into space, this means they now never drop anything larger than frigates when destroyed.
Our corp's admittedly limited testing on the test server suggests it's even worse, that SMAs are not dropping anything when destroyed. This might be due to ships no longer being ejectable from cargo or unpackaged ones not being valid objects inside cans, but whatever the case, it seems to explain the recent spat of empty wormhole SMAs and the disappearance of the famed loot pinata. I'd appreciate others to independently verify our results, and if need be, raise CCP's awareness of the issue as soon as possible. |
Setsune Rin
Bite Me inc Bitten.
22
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Posted - 2013.04.02 10:30:00 -
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i'm going to chime in that we've encountered the same issues, it renders evictions pretty unprofitable |
QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.02 11:36:00 -
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Chiming in. We recently found offline pinata's in a c5 and when we blew up everything, the only ship we got was a packaged noctis in the CHAs. CCP going to fix this? |
Istyn
Freight Club
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Posted - 2013.04.02 11:42:00 -
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I spent a while earlier this year petitioning this and had the bug confirmed by one of the GMs who responded:
Quote:I have investigated the creation and subsequent salvage of the wreck in question and can see that the wreck still contained the plastic wrapped packages when it was destroyed after the salvage cycles were successful, due to their size relative to the container. Unfortunately this meant that the plastic wraps, and all they contained, were destroyed along with the wreck.
Should note that plastic wraps of any size are destroyed, along with any single item over 27,500m3.
Unfortunately for wormhole dwellers with SMAs and other POS modules you don't even get to loot providing someone else doesn't run along to salvage, so this problem is worse for them.
If any dev wants to take a look, I submitted a bug report around the time of the petition which is currently still unfiltered, ID is '152995'. |
Skippermonkey
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.04.03 00:19:00 -
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Istyn wrote:this is a fckin outrage When i destroy something with extreme prejudice, i too expect the contents of the fiery explosion to remain intact
this is indeed an outrage
Istyn, i do hope this is what you meant when you asked me to intervene in the thread,
did i do good? COME AT ME BRO
I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION |
Istyn
Freight Club
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Posted - 2013.04.03 00:23:00 -
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The important thing is that you tried. |
Rena Senn
Resurrection Ventures Un.Bound
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Posted - 2013.04.03 01:58:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:When i destroy something with extreme prejudice, i too expect the contents of the fiery explosion to remain intact
110% this. Also, once CCP has this nipped they should look into adding ammo fired at pos mods as part of the drop. If the thing in my gun is called a Javelin then it damn well better be recoverable like one! |
QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.06 01:17:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Istyn wrote:this is a fckin outrage When i destroy something with extreme prejudice, i too expect the contents of the fiery explosion to remain intact this is indeed an outrage Istyn, i do hope this is what you meant when you asked me to intervene in the thread,
did i do good?
Taking 90 percent of the fun out of shooting a pos in a WH is a very bad business model for CCP <_< |
Unholey
Resurrection Ventures Un.Bound
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Posted - 2013.04.06 15:57:00 -
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QT McWhiskers wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Istyn wrote:this is a fckin outrage When i destroy something with extreme prejudice, i too expect the contents of the fiery explosion to remain intact this is indeed an outrage Istyn, i do hope this is what you meant when you asked me to intervene in the thread,
did i do good? Taking 90 percent of the fun out of shooting a pos in a WH is a very bad business model for CCP <_< It's nice to know some peoples jimmies are rustled. The lack of concern/noticing an issue is a little surprising. Us PoS bashers must be a small community. You Can't Fly In Here |
Ilaister
Task Force Proteus
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Posted - 2013.04.15 19:15:00 -
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So, as a group, the WH community gives a not a toss about this?
Beyond multiple bug reports/petitions - and this thread - I see no outcry at all. Is there something I missed?
I am surprised. And peeved. And not only because my alt has spent several weeks scoping shiny things in someone else's hole.
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Elroy Skimms
BRG Corp Ocularis Inferno
12
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:55:00 -
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I have a feeling this goes back to loot from freighters now being scoopable by any ship. Which is all well and good, except for it completely breaks WH evictions ability to earn anything except a few mill by scooping the SMA. What really pisses me off is that I've filed a petition only to have a GM tell me that nothing dropped. Leading me to think that "nothing survived the explosion". Which is odd, considering it was an online POS when we started shooting. I figured it is technically possible for the RNG to prevent anything from dropping legitimately. Having now cleared several more loot pinatas and another active eviction, and seeing this thread, it now seems clear the GM was full of ****.
What good is a petition system if the GM won't actually tell you what happened?
What good are WH evictions if we can't take the reward from the people we evicted?
-E |
Sushi Nardieu
Bite Me inc Bitten.
126
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:43:00 -
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We just got cockblocked by this bug. The Guns of Knowledge-á |
Reppyk
Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:48:00 -
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This bug is bad and CCP should feel bad.
I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. -áI AM A LOWSEC GANKER, HIGHSEC SCUM, NULLSEC BASTARD, WORMHOLE INVADER. Welcome to, welcome to, welcome to my scramble. GÖÑ |
Cybus Max
Bite Me inc Bitten.
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Posted - 2013.05.17 20:32:00 -
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This has basically killed the notion of invading someones WH.
Invasions are a massive conflict driver in w-space.
This is like saying to a small null sec group go kill that tech tower, your not going to get any tech from it but go do it anyway.
When i want to invade someone i want to kill the enemy and take his stuff. Now i'm invading someone just to watch some POS mods explode.
There is no point in us risking a large number of assets when there is guaranteed to be no loot drop what so ever.
Granted for K space this may be less of a issue but in w-space asset removal is a big conflict driver and this basically stops this dead. |
Wabs
Bite Me inc Bitten.
5
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:13:00 -
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killed 4 sma's lately. I could look in the sma's (spy toon, but no roles to take them out) and there were caps in them, none of them ever dropped a ship, only a can with some modules!
NEEDS FIXING AND CONFIRMED BROKEN |
Bastian Brand
Bite Me inc Bitten.
2
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Posted - 2013.05.18 18:18:00 -
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RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE |
Tiger Armani
Mialto Corp The Last Chancers.
45
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Posted - 2013.05.18 22:36:00 -
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Fix this CCP. So many reports with evidence, and not even a answer from you. |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
179
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Posted - 2013.05.19 02:04:00 -
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This is so stupid, imagine if NPC's stopped dropping loot the bears would cry more than us |
Dunkle Lars
Lemon Half Moon
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:08:00 -
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Confirming this is bad.. Happened to me yesterday.. Fix it now.. and spam petitions please |
Kmelx
Bite Me inc Bitten.
57
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Posted - 2013.05.20 14:15:00 -
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Fix this s**t please. |
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Istyn
Freight Club Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:18:00 -
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I completely forgot this thread existed.
An update for you -
One of our guys had a chat with CCP Masterplan and some other devs at Fanfest about the bug who recognised it as a major issue - the bug report was filtered the same day and attached to a new defect.
So, it is being worked on now. |
Rutger Janssen
Xanadu
77
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Posted - 2013.05.20 18:45:00 -
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Istyn wrote:I completely forgot this thread existed.
An update for you -
One of our guys had a chat with CCP Masterplan and some other devs at Fanfest about the bug who recognised it as a major issue - the bug report was filtered the same day and attached to a new defect.
So, it is being worked on now.
I hope you don't take it being attached to a defect meaning that they're working on it. I've bugs attached to defects for years and still haven't been fixed. Don't think it's likely that corporation transactions (buy or sell, all wallets) is that hard to fix that they actually need 3 years to fix it.
But if CCP devs have said that it's a major issue, maybe they'll get around to fixing it faster than that...
That said, it's very very sad that you need to talk to developers directly to get your bug report processed. Isn't that what BH/QA should be doing.... |
Akturous
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
135
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Posted - 2013.05.21 01:59:00 -
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We too have experienced this issue. Killed a JF, salvaged it and the loot disappeared.
I once had a Charon drop from a SMA, bloody stupid that can't happen now. Vote Item Heck One for CSM8 |
Istyn
Freight Club Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.05.21 02:19:00 -
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Rutger Janssen wrote:Istyn wrote:I completely forgot this thread existed.
An update for you -
One of our guys had a chat with CCP Masterplan and some other devs at Fanfest about the bug who recognised it as a major issue - the bug report was filtered the same day and attached to a new defect.
So, it is being worked on now. I hope you don't take it being attached to a defect meaning that they're working on it. I've bugs attached to defects for years and still haven't been fixed. Don't think it's likely that corporation transactions (buy or sell, all wallets) is that hard to fix that they actually need 3 years to fix it. But if CCP devs have said that it's a major issue, maybe they'll get around to fixing it faster than that... That said, it's very very sad that you need to talk to developers directly to get your bug report processed. Isn't that what BH/QA should be doing....
From what I was told the response when it was mentioned that it not only affected wrecks but POS modules as well was 'Oh ****, this is a big ******* deal' or sometihng along those lines. Then it seems that Masterplan actually ran off and manually searched for my bug report (they forgot to pass on the ID) to have it filtered and attached to a defect within a few hours.
So, I'm confident they're actually working on it and taking it seriously. Or at the very least, Masterplan and the other devs that it was mentioned to are. |
LaserzPewPew
Origin. Black Legion.
10
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Posted - 2013.06.01 00:44:00 -
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I have blown up dozens of SMAs in the last few months and often a yellow can appears and disappears in the same second. Never has anything dropped, besides that yellow can that instantly disappears.
This is certainly a bug, the can dropped, there were ships in them, I want them. |
Maxisabe
Boris Johnson's Love Children
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 03:36:00 -
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Have been staring at 18 SMA's in a caged POS for the last day.
So at the end of this we will get absolutely **** all?
Its already really hard/impossible to get ransoms out of people, at least if there forced to self destruct we get to see some fireworks during the long hours of boredom and theres always a chance they don't have that one person who can fly that shiny capital. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
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Posted - 2013.06.01 03:57:00 -
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The bug is still around. I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. -áI AM A LOWSEC GANKER, HIGHSEC SCUM, NULLSEC BASTARD, WORMHOLE INVADER. Welcome to, welcome to, welcome to my scramble. GÖÑ |
Adrian Dixon
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction The Devil's Warrior Alliance
133
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Posted - 2013.06.01 13:31:00 -
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Also experienced this issue. |
LaserzPewPew
Origin. Black Legion.
10
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Posted - 2013.06.01 18:22:00 -
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I've opened a petition for this one, I got a ragemail from the guy saying the contents were 'unreplaceable'
Are we SOL or will a petition grant what should have dropped? I shot it, I should get it. |
Jamie Banks
Wasted and Still Mining
29
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Posted - 2013.06.19 10:10:00 -
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Bug still here. Signed.
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