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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2385
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Posted - 2013.04.03 18:58:00 -
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Svetlana Scarlet wrote:To the board of the Kaalakiota Corporation...may I humbly suggest that you reevaluate the leadership of your corporation and consider that perhaps it is time for a change. Farbeit from me to support Heth, but doesn't he own a controlling interest in Kaalakiota? Mane 614
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
91
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Posted - 2013.04.03 19:19:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Farbeit from me to support Heth, but doesn't he own a controlling interest in Kaalakiota?
I am not sure the extent of his interest, but I suspect KK stock will be going for bargain prices shortly, if things continue...so that may change. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
238
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Posted - 2013.04.03 19:20:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Now kiss.
I would have thought you were more Mr. Ixiris' type for the Heuremont Waltz. |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
538
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Posted - 2013.04.03 19:30:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Now kiss. I'm afraid she's not my type. Too much lipstick.
I'd offer to do it for you, but not for free.
Morwen Lagann Director, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2385
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Posted - 2013.04.03 19:32:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:I'd offer to do it for you, but not for free. To clarify, you're offering - for a fee - to kiss a member of the Caldari militia for me because I don't want to?
Is this actually a thing? Do other people pay money for this? Mane 614
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Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
586
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Posted - 2013.04.03 19:49:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Morwen Lagann wrote:I'd offer to do it for you, but not for free. To clarify, you're offering - for a fee - to kiss a member of the Caldari militia for me because I don't want to? Is this actually a thing? Do other people pay money for this?
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Shiho Weitong
Koa Mai Hoku Nulli Legio
1
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Posted - 2013.04.03 20:00:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:How unfortunate Kaalakiota and Lai Dai have chosen to be on the wrong side of history
I've seen statements like this quite a few times now, and honestly it is beginning to annoy me a little. While Ishanoya did vote against the treaty in it's current form, the Treaty was still signed by the Lai Dai corporation. I do not agree with the treaty in it's current form, and even though my transition to a capsuleer overrides my duties to my corporation i still consider myself part of the R&D divison, and still have a lot of acquaintances inside the corporation itself.
This more than anything is a sign of the real strength of the State. We all move in unison, when state matters are concerned. I also thinks it puts a great light on Lai Dai that even in these times of personal conquests and egos controlling the universe, there are still people who will lay down their claims for peace. I will follow Ishanoya and Lai Dai and that means honoring the treaty.
Heth does not believe in anything but his own personal quest for glory and vengeance. Not signing the treaty is, as I've said before elsewhere, very close to treachery against the state. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
742
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Posted - 2013.04.03 21:22:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Svetlana Scarlet wrote:To the board of the Kaalakiota Corporation...may I humbly suggest that you reevaluate the leadership of your corporation and consider that perhaps it is time for a change. Farbeit from me to support Heth, but doesn't he own a controlling interest in Kaalakiota?
It's not going to help him if the CEP indicts him for ordering illegal use of force against corporate assets.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
742
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Posted - 2013.04.03 21:22:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Now kiss.
I would have thought you were more Mr. Ixiris' type for the Heuremont Waltz.
But you two were getting on SO well! |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
840
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Posted - 2013.04.03 22:27:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Svetlana Scarlet wrote:To the board of the Kaalakiota Corporation...may I humbly suggest that you reevaluate the leadership of your corporation and consider that perhaps it is time for a change. Farbeit from me to support Heth, but doesn't he own a controlling interest in Kaalakiota?
Even with a controlling interest, the remaining share holders in the corporation can move within their executive authority to have him submitted to executive review by the CBT. The CEP also maintains the authority to remove him from his position and redistribute his shares to those with the merit and will to do them honor. ~Malcolm Khross
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
123
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Posted - 2013.04.03 22:43:00 -
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A fair and profitable move. |
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
91
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Posted - 2013.04.04 00:04:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Svetlana Scarlet wrote:To the board of the Kaalakiota Corporation...may I humbly suggest that you reevaluate the leadership of your corporation and consider that perhaps it is time for a change. Farbeit from me to support Heth, but doesn't he own a controlling interest in Kaalakiota? Even with a controlling interest, the remaining share holders in the corporation can move within their executive authority to have him submitted to executive review by the CBT. The CEP also maintains the authority to remove him from his position and redistribute his shares to those with the merit and will to do them honor.
That would be...an extreme measure, one that I'm not sure I would even agree with. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
61
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Posted - 2013.04.04 00:23:00 -
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I would like to ask some information from those better informed than I am: what are Executor Heth's holdings, and how did he come by them?
I'm asking because my understanding is that he was elected to the post of the CEO of Caldari Constructions following heroism and public service during protests, but I'm a touch sketchy on the progression of events between his becoming a CEO, the formation of the Caldari Providence Directorate, and his being brought into the position of executor. Obviously, the Malkalen Incident had a significant part to play -- but I'll admit I was paying only the most cursory attention to politics for the past few years. |
Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
126
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Posted - 2013.04.04 00:52:00 -
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Nick Bete wrote:So now that there's at least a negotiated solution and a recognition of the special status of Caldari Prime by the Federation, why all the continued snide remarks and subtle xenophobia on the part of you Caldari partisans? It's not like your hands are totally clean in all this either. How about putting the past aside and giving this new settlement a chance without the name calling and hatred? Are you so conditioned to hate that you know no other way?
Warmongers and idiots go over there with Diana Kim and Hans Nardieu. |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
841
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Posted - 2013.04.04 01:28:00 -
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Svetlana Scarlet wrote:That would be...an extreme measure, one that I'm not sure I would even agree with.
Oh, I'm not suggesting I would support or condone such an action, I am simply stating it is a possibility. ~Malcolm Khross
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Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
841
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Posted - 2013.04.04 01:54:00 -
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Priano-haani,
In summary:
Worker Revolts on Piak III involving Caldari Constructions workers begins, dropping stocks across the State. This allows for Tibus Heth, an MTAC operator for Caldari Constructions, to purchase a majority share in the company. At the same time, Tibus Heth obtains illegal access to nationwide media and addresses the nation.
Shortly following his nationwide address, Ethnic violence breaks out on Caldari Prime mostly against Caldari expatriates by Gallenteans. The Federation police eventually are forced to use deadly force to stop the riots, resulting in a massive spike in death tolls. This leads to ethnic violence breaking out across the Caldari State primarily against Gallente expatriates.
Ishukone CEO Otro Gariushi then addresses the nation, asking for calm and denouncing Tibus Heth for his racially charged speech. A short time later, the Malkalen Peace Summit is announced by Ishukone and Tibus Heth issues public approval.
We know this part quite well, but the Malkalen Peace Summit is interrupted when a Federation Nyx rams into the Malkalen station piloted by a rogue Federation admiral named Alexander Noir (though it was later revealed that this pilot was not acting on behalf of the Federation and suspicions of him being replaced by a clone agent are all but confirmed). Shortly after this, the racial tension begins to build again between both nations and Ytiri Warehouse CEO Tantima Iwisoda steps down, ceding all control to Tibus Heth.
Following this, Kaalakiota CEO Haatakan Oiritsuu voluntarily steps down and also cedes all corporate control to Tibus Heth who then address the nation again, making promises to repay the debt owed to the Gallente for their treachery at Malkalen and claiming it was a Federal ploy all along.
It doesn't take long for all of the CEP megacorporations to announce a partnership with the newly formed CPD, ceding strategic control over their military and production assets in preparation for war. The only megacorporation to abstain was Ishukone who only later followed suit, announcing that the absence of leadership after the Malkalen Incident made the move necessary.
Following all of this, Tibus Heth announces a national draft and begins to prepare the State for all-out war now acting as the "Executor" of the State. ~Malcolm Khross
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1401
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Posted - 2013.04.04 01:55:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:Svetlana Scarlet wrote:That would be...an extreme measure, one that I'm not sure I would even agree with. Oh, I'm not suggesting I would support or condone such an action, I am simply stating it is a possibility.
Heth's very policies provide the legal precedent for that to happen, no doubt.
Shosho Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Diplomat ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
James Syagrius
Stillwater Corporation
306
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Posted - 2013.04.04 02:23:00 -
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James Syagrius wrote:The patriotic efforts of those loyal to the Federation living on Luminaire VII, both Caldari and Gallente, to oppose the State occupation, must be supported.
Perhaps you remember our exchange from several weeks ago?
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:James Syagrius wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:So long as Caldari Prime is administered by the State, demilitarization seems an acceptable solution. I worry, however, that this deal will collapse if partisans begin reprisal strikes, whether Provist, Black Eagle, or unaffiliated forces. Let's hope the Insurgency stands down now. If it doesn't, well it's a game that two can play. If there is no occupation there is no need for an insurgency. If people have a voice in the government they won't have to resort to violence for redress. But if you would like to continue to trade terror for terror then so be it. I intervened when the Caldari Navy was attacked, and after the battle delivered an Industrial full of aid supplies. I then rescued both Federal and State citizens from the ground of Home no more than three hours after Shiigeru's death. I've put my crew and my assets on the line fighting Heth's cronies and I've escorted eight Freighters worth of other people's goods. Who are the REAL humanitarians here, Sygarius? What have YOU done? Of course, as you say, I'm also the other side of that coin. I would be very disappointed if it should come back to trading terror for terror, but that option will always be in a drawer, waiting. I don't think I ever calmed to be a humanitarian Msr. Tuulinen. But you may rest assured my contributions to conditions on Caldari Prime do have... effects.
"We are what we do." |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
338
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Posted - 2013.04.04 02:30:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Malcolm Khross wrote:Svetlana Scarlet wrote:That would be...an extreme measure, one that I'm not sure I would even agree with. Oh, I'm not suggesting I would support or condone such an action, I am simply stating it is a possibility. Heth's very policies provide the legal precedent for that to happen, no doubt. It would be a satisfying symmetry if Heth were removed from power using his own methods.
I am not saying that's something I want to happen; it would be a very bad thing indeed, but I think Heth will further attempt to abuse his power and drastic measures will have to be taken. |
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
91
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Posted - 2013.04.04 02:34:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Malcolm Khross wrote:Svetlana Scarlet wrote:That would be...an extreme measure, one that I'm not sure I would even agree with. Oh, I'm not suggesting I would support or condone such an action, I am simply stating it is a possibility. Heth's very policies provide the legal precedent for that to happen, no doubt.
There is very little "legal" about any precedent involving the CPD. The law must be followed, and there is more than enough that can be done within the law to eliminate the CPD and the false office of the Executor. If the board of Kaalakiota wishes to keep Tibus Heth as their CEO, that is their decision by rights and it must be respected, as they must respect the decisions of all the other corporate boards. The market may punish them -- their stock may collapse, they may find themselves isolated by others -- but they are within their rights.
Either they will remove Tibus Heth, or the market will. At this point, one of those two options seems inevitable. |
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
61
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Posted - 2013.04.04 04:59:00 -
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Thank you, Khross-haan, for your research on this matter! It's very much appreciated. While I'd been reviewing news over the past four years, I hadn't completed my review. Your summary allowed me to fill in the gaps in my knowledge. Really, though, this allowed me to confirm much that I suspected: Heth's power is a product of voluntary ceding of authority.
This is to state: aside from the admittedly very suspect seizure of Caldari Constructions, Heth has no inviolable control. A CEO doesn't own a corporation; he is an executive elected by the board of directors to make strategic decisions as a proxy for the board. In the case of Ytiri, there is no statement of ownership share. The same is true of Kaalakiota. If the boards of either should wish to depose Heth, all that is required is a vote. My suspicion, though, is that these corporations will not be quick to replace the man on account of his former popularity -- they likely don't wish to antagonize their work force unnecessarily. Given time, though...
I should elaborate on why I consider Heth's seizure of Caldari Constructions suspect. How exactly does an MTAC operator get the funds to purchase majority stake in a major corporation? Even if share prices were plummeting, you'd have to figure an opportunistic megacorporation would have gotten to it first...?
I think of the position of Executor as being the state's equivalent to a corporation's CEO: a position elected by the board to operate a corporation on the board's behalf. Just as this is the case, the Executor's position is taken at the behest of the CEP. I believe they could rightly dissolve it, or replace Heth on account of poor performance.
All that Heth has legitimate claim to, then, is Caldari Constructions, and arguably the Caldari Providence Directorate. |
Felsusguy
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
47
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Posted - 2013.04.04 06:22:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Lialus Raithe wrote:Diana Kim wrote:DMZ... this was a weak and indecent move, but still it is for better of our people.
Luckily, Gallente Prime and other gallentean territories are not DMZ. We must use it to retaliate them there. While gallenteans have weapons, none of DMZ declarations will provide safety to Home Planet. Gallentes already show that they break treaties, and we must force them to never break it again. Just this once, this one time do you think you could be silent and let a step forward be appreciated for what it is? I will appreciate when gallentes will pay for their atrocity when they dropped our titan on Caldari Prime, killing millions of innocents. You are aware that said titan was directly threatening the planet in Gallente space? I'm tired of this feuding. Why can't we all get along? Leave this feuding to the lawless pirates and capsuleers living out in God knows where doing God knows what. How droll. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
398
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Posted - 2013.04.04 09:45:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote: You are aware that said titan was directly threatening the planet in Gallente space? I'm tired of this feuding. Why can't we all get along? Leave this feuding to the lawless pirates and capsuleers living out in God knows where doing God knows what.
It was OUR Titan on orbit of OUR planet. This is not a pesky gallentean affair what we do with our ships. They broke our sovereignty without real excuse, just to kill millions on the planet below. Simply while gallentes are allowed to do things like this, "getting along" is plainly impossible. |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
123
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Posted - 2013.04.04 10:13:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote: Simply while gallentes are allowed to do things like this, "getting along" is plainly impossible.
We get along just fine. Just need to take one look around a station in Jita to see how thoroughly invested the Federation is in the Caldari market. Meanwhile, by far the most lucrative opportunities I enjoy are in Federation space.
This settlement is sound. Whilst I suspect it will take stocks some time to recover during the aftermath of the battle, long-term gains are in sight after this decision. For us, this is the best outcome to come from a bad situation.
Leave the cannon-waving to the tribal warlords and remember that you are Caldari. This disaster could have been avoided if not for the gung-ho attitude of the provists. Hopefully following this turn of events, further short-sighted losses can be minimized.
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Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
844
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Posted - 2013.04.04 10:22:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote: [...] (Cut for length, no disrespect intended)
You would not be the first or last to consider Executor Heth's sudden ownership over CC suspect.
Your point regarding the voluntary ceding of powers by the megacorporations is an accurate one, and one that I've made myself many times. It should be reiterated, however, that the position of "Executor" did not exist before Tibus Heth and it is my sincere hope that it doesn't continue to exist after him. The CEP has proven itself capable of managing State affairs and embodies our ideals to a much fuller extent. ~Malcolm Khross
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
748
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Posted - 2013.04.04 16:55:00 -
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James Syagrius wrote: I don't think I ever calmed to be a humanitarian Msr. Tuulinen. But you may rest assured my contributions to conditions on Caldari Prime do have... effects.
Yes, I remember. You shipped arms and explosives to terrorists. Let's hope that they're able to find all those arms and explosives now the planet is being demilled, eh? It would be a shame if the only thing of lasting worth that you'd accomplished would be to fund and equip criminals, wouldn't it?
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2385
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Posted - 2013.04.04 17:08:00 -
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Man, I really dodged a bullet when you turned down my job offer, didn't I James? Mane 614
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Nicolas Merovech
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
19
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Posted - 2013.04.04 20:13:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:DMZ... this was a weak and indecent move, but still it is for better of our people.
Luckily, Gallente Prime and other gallentean territories are not DMZ. We must use it to retaliate them there. While gallenteans have weapons, none of DMZ declarations will provide safety to Home Planet. Gallentes already show that they break treaties, and we must force them to never break it again.
War-mongering hypocrite. |
Felsusguy
Nuevo Atlas Corporation
51
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Posted - 2013.04.04 23:08:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Felsusguy wrote: You are aware that said titan was directly threatening the planet in Gallente space? I'm tired of this feuding. Why can't we all get along? Leave this feuding to the lawless pirates and capsuleers living out in God knows where doing God knows what.
It was OUR Titan on orbit of OUR planet. This is not a pesky gallentean affair what we do with our ships. They broke our sovereignty without real excuse, just to kill millions on the planet below. And the attempt to stop aid from being received by those who were fortunate enough to (barely) survive that event is an attempt to preserve 'pride'. Typical. Pride means different things to different people, and though the Provists might think that what they did is honorable, to everyone else in New Eden, it is just shameful. Even the Amarr look down on you for your cold contempt.
How droll. |
Liuni Kalthis
Alexylva Paradox
17
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Posted - 2013.04.05 00:25:00 -
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Good to see the leaders started to act like adults. Still, there is no price I wouldn't pay to be a fly on Heth's wall when he heard the news the Corporations went around him. |
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