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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.04.05 07:04:00 -
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Vlilirier VII; Roden Shipyards Factory
For Immediate Public Release. Approved by [AISA] Julianus Soter, [XMETA] Frozen Fallout, [DV-MS] Phox Jorkarzul & [GMVA] Leadership
Earlier this week Citizens of every Empire in New Eden welcomed news of the unprecedented peace agreement calling for the end of hostilities and establishment of a Demilitarized Zone on the planet of Caldari Prime. Elsewhere in the cluster, however, war has raged on. Following major desertions of Caldari Alliances from the State Protectorate, defensive efforts in many Caldari held systems have all but collapsed. In this environment pilots and leaders of the Villore Accords Alliance recognize a unique opportunity to pursue further peace within the Cluster.
Recognizing also the commanding strategic position of Federal Defense Union aligned forces on multiple offensive fronts...
Considering as well the humanitarian damage done by the ongoing Border War...
And Recognizing the Universal rights of Caldari and Gallente Citizens alike to live under government of their choosing...
It is resolved:
Effective 00:00 Hours, YC113.04.06 [GMVA] Villore Accords is declaring an Alliance wide moratorium on offensive operations targeting System Sovereignty Infrastructure of Caldari held star systems in recognized Caldari regions of Black Rise and The Citadel.
To be clear: GMVA will not consider itself under obligation to Cease Fire in any theater of war. Offensive operations targeting Caldari Military Installations will continue, and any Caldari held star systems in recognized Gallente regions of Placid, Essence, or Verge Vendor will continue to be targets for liberation. We will continue to be vigilant in defending the liberty and livelihood of the many Gallente, Intaki and other Federation Citizens living throughout the warzone.
It is our hope that other Militia forces on both sides will follow suit, and that meaningful negotiations between the Caldari State and the Gallente Federation can continue. Furthermore, we believe that a deescalation of conflict in these regions would be of immediate benefit to the general civilian populace, encouraging increased opportunity for commerce and immigration. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
767
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Posted - 2013.04.05 07:10:00 -
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Wow... I'm shocked. Again.
It's been an interesting two weeks, hasn't it? |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2388
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Posted - 2013.04.05 07:13:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Wow... I'm shocked. Again.
It's been an interesting two weeks, hasn't it? Damn straight! All we need is for Jamyl to say they might have been wrong about this whole God thing and we'll have officially made the jump to weirdspace. Mane 614
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1096
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Posted - 2013.04.05 07:27:00 -
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If that happens I'll be checking myself into medical, see if I'm suffering some kind of sustained hallucination. It'd be the only logical explanation. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2388
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Posted - 2013.04.05 08:25:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:If that happens I'll be checking myself into medical, see if I'm suffering some kind of sustained hallucination. It'd be the only logical explanation. We can be issue buddies! Mane 614
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Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
39
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Posted - 2013.04.05 08:30:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote: Effective 00:00 Hours, YC113.04.06 [GMVA] Villore Accords is declaring an Alliance wide moratorium on offensive operations targeting System Sovereignty Infrastructure of Caldari held star systems in recognized Caldari regions of Black Rise and The Citadel.
To be clear: GMVA will not consider itself under obligation to Cease Fire in any theater of war. Offensive operations targeting Caldari Military Installations will continue, and any Caldari held star systems in recognized Gallente regions of Placid, Essence, or Verge Vendor will continue to be targets for liberation. We will continue to be vigilant in defending the liberty and livelihood of the many Gallente, Intaki and other Federation Citizens living throughout the warzone. .
So itGÇÖs meaningless blustering then. A Moratorium on system capture? A pointless gesture if your lead is not followed by the rest of the FDU. Besides that, continuing offensive operations on any level is hypocritical to any attempted message of peace. YouGÇÖll continue offensive operations in the hope that both Militias will cease hostilities? That sounds like business as usual to me.
IGÇÖll take this announcement for what it is. Cheap political point scoring.
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
238
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Posted - 2013.04.05 09:59:00 -
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A rather pointless gesture as Nisuwa, Eha and Nennamaila continue to be utilized as Forward Operations Bases for FDU assets conducting offensive operations in State territory.
I find it highly unlikely that such key systems will be ceded without a cost in blood and quite the amusing misconception that the Villore Accords has more clout and authority over the FDU than it does, which is to say, nothing at all. The guns will fall silent only once our respective governing authorities decide an end to hostilities. Until such time posturing accomplishes nothing. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
399
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Posted - 2013.04.05 10:42:00 -
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Never trust a gallente! |
Toluijin Chagangan
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
69
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Posted - 2013.04.05 13:23:00 -
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You Pyre types seem to be a little... jaded.
For peaceful negotiations to occur, someone has to take the first step. As it is apparent it wasn't going to be you, I applaud Villore Accords for taking that step. May it lead on to more having the honour and foresight to do the same.
Seven Tribes. One Matari People. |
Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
43
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Posted - 2013.04.05 13:31:00 -
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Toluijin Chagangan wrote:You Pyre types seem to be a little... jaded.
For peaceful negotiations to occur, someone has to take the first step. As it is apparent it wasn't going to be you, I applaud Villore Accords for taking that step. May it lead on to more having the honour and foresight to do the same.
I prefer 'realistic.'
You are quite right that someone needs to take the first step towards negotiations, but this is not it. It's a sidestep designed to create the illusion of progressive thinking while providing nothing of substance. |
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
242
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Posted - 2013.04.05 13:41:00 -
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Toluijin Chagangan wrote:You Pyre types seem to be a little... jaded.
For peaceful negotiations to occur, someone has to take the first step. As it is apparent it wasn't going to be you, I applaud Villore Accords for taking that step. May it lead on to more having the honour and foresight to do the same.
It's because I don't get paid to participate in pointless nonsense such as this which translates effectively into, "We, the Villore Accords, having found ourselves wholly unable to establish control in the Enaluri system for the past month even after numerous massed daily atron waves will instead cite humanitarian and peaceful recourse as the explanation for continued abject failure to effect successful military operations in a system next door to our primary operations base in Nennamaila."
Some military experts might call this, trying to retreat with dignity and honour in the face of an enemy that unlike that font of strategic and tactical nous, Julianus Soter, can actually find success without throwing numbers at any and all problems on the frontlines. |
Toluijin Chagangan
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
69
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Posted - 2013.04.05 14:42:00 -
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Opportunities are what you make of them.
This is a step towards peace. Whether or not it is originally intended as so. Unless of course, you let it fall by the wayside. Without some form of reciprocation from the Caldari there will be no chance at peace I am sure you know this.
Your translation skills also appear to be at fault.
Seven Tribes. One Matari People. |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
126
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Posted - 2013.04.05 14:47:00 -
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Toluijin Chagangan wrote:You Pyre types seem to be a little... jaded.
Na+»vet+¬ doesn't pay.
The scrutiny demonstrated here has been appropriate.
How else are you suggesting they behave? Simply celebrating the supposed push for peace would win both Caldari and Gallentean parties public appeal, this is a cheap, superficial way to act.
My best regards to Pyre, who have not fallen to such shallow posturing as this announcement embodies, who instead have chosen to exercise their judgement and take a pragmatic approach, appreciating the realities of the situation. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2388
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Posted - 2013.04.05 15:15:00 -
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Well, I'm not returning to the militia until the shape of the situation becomes clearer, which means no fighting or territory capture for me. How's that? Mane 614
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Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
44
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Posted - 2013.04.05 15:22:00 -
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Laudable. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2388
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Posted - 2013.04.05 15:23:00 -
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Anja Suorsa wrote:Laudable. Thank you! Mane 614
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
772
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Posted - 2013.04.05 15:29:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote: Earlier this week Citizens of every Empire in New Eden welcomed news of the unprecedented calling for the end of hostilities and establishment of a Demilitarized Zone on the planet of Caldari Prime.
You do not speak for 'citizens of every Empire.'
You speak for your little band of capsuleers.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
128
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Posted - 2013.04.05 15:29:00 -
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Anja Suorsa wrote:Laudable.
In seriousness; perhaps it might have been, if he had made the decision earlier.
Given Mr Ixiris' recent episode, his stepping down from a militant role became an imperative. Fulfilling an obligation is worth no special praise. |
Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
44
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Posted - 2013.04.05 15:35:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Anja Suorsa wrote:Laudable. Thank you!
You and I have not got along particularly well in our brief exchanges, understandably given our respective positions. That said, you apparently have the testicular fortitude to put your words into practice, something GMVA are incapable of with this limp announcement. You have a growing respect from me for it and I am not afraid to praise merit where I see it. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
140
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Posted - 2013.04.05 16:01:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Rinai Vero wrote: Earlier this week Citizens of every Empire in New Eden welcomed news of the unprecedented calling for the end of hostilities and establishment of a Demilitarized Zone on the planet of Caldari Prime.
You do not speak for 'citizens of every Empire.' You speak for your little band of capsuleers.
I didn't say "all citizens." My statement was accurate. |
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
772
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Posted - 2013.04.05 16:10:00 -
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Your statement makes it sound as if all New Eden is rejoicing at this news, which it is surely not.
But yes I'm sure more than one citizen, therefore citizen(s) were welcoming this new ridiculous situation. Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
140
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Posted - 2013.04.05 16:32:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Toluijin Chagangan wrote:You Pyre types seem to be a little... jaded.
For peaceful negotiations to occur, someone has to take the first step. As it is apparent it wasn't going to be you, I applaud Villore Accords for taking that step. May it lead on to more having the honour and foresight to do the same.
It's because I don't get paid to participate in pointless nonsense such as this which translates effectively into, "We, the Villore Accords, having found ourselves wholly unable to establish control in the Enaluri system for the past month even after numerous massed daily atron waves will instead cite humanitarian and peaceful recourse as the explanation for continued abject failure to effect successful military operations in a system next door to our primary operations base in Nennamaila." Some military experts might call this, trying to retreat with dignity and honour in the face of an enemy that unlike that font of strategic and tactical nous, Julianus Soter, can actually find success without throwing numbers at any and all problems on the frontlines.
Pilot Toluijin has the right of it. This is a first step, but it is a step we have made where others have not. Although I made the effort to bring this proposal to [GMVA] leadership for approval, I've seen similar suggestions made by Gallente and Caldari pilots alike. If the various Militia entities were to agree to withdraw behind their respective borders and limit their operations to the defense of their sovereignty it would certainly have an impact.
As for retreat from Enaluri, it would be remis of me not to acknowledge that Pyre Falcon and various others have been effective in defending that system. Much as LVLUP and JUSTK effectively defended Eha from sustained offensives by Evoke. It is not unheard of for small well organized units to be able to effectively employ harassment tactics in a system's defense. The difference here is that while Pyre Falcon is holding the fort in Enaluri, there is no Caldari offensive strength to threaten Gallente systems. As you have focused your efforts in that system, elsewhere the warzone has slipped from your grasp.
Shall we trust in your own peaceful intent that were we to cease keeping pressure on Enaluri that Pyre Falcon and others would not shift to an offensive role? I think not.
Hence:
Rinai Vero wrote:To be clear: GMVA will not consider itself under obligation to Cease Fire in any theater of war. Offensive operations targeting Caldari Military Installations will continue, and any Caldari held star systems in recognized Gallente regions of Placid, Essence, or Verge Vendor will continue to be targets for liberation. We will continue to be vigilant in defending the liberty and livelihood of the many Gallente, Intaki and other Federation Citizens living throughout the warzone.
Enaluri will continue to be very much within the theater of war. GMVA forces will continue their operations against hostile Caldari forces in that system and every other.
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
128
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Posted - 2013.04.05 17:09:00 -
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Anja Suorsa wrote:
What episode was this?
Mr Ixiris was very thorough in proclaiming his Caldari-genocidal sentiments in the prelude to the battle for Home. He would go on to show extremely unstable behavior here in the Intergalactic Summit and in GalNet channels such as 'The Summit', feeling that he was justified in his desire to see all Caldari burn and that everybody else (who were ushering him to seek immediate psychiatric help) were in the wrong.
I don't mean to speak ill of the man, as I do not know him, and cannot judge him based on a temporary insanity. However, given these events, I feel that it is only fit for him to honorably step down from his military station.
If you wish for a more detailed transcription of his movements during this time, I would be happy to assist you in procuring the relevant logs.
Apologies for the digression. For Pilot Ixiris, I wish him good prospects and health for the future. To reiterate, I absolutely have no qualms with him, and I am sure that his aforementioned actions were outside of his control.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
767
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Posted - 2013.04.05 18:30:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Toluijin Chagangan wrote:You Pyre types seem to be a little... jaded.
For peaceful negotiations to occur, someone has to take the first step. As it is apparent it wasn't going to be you, I applaud Villore Accords for taking that step. May it lead on to more having the honour and foresight to do the same.
It's because I don't get paid to participate in pointless nonsense such as this which translates effectively into, "We, the Villore Accords, having found ourselves wholly unable to establish control in the Enaluri system for the past month even after numerous massed daily atron waves will instead cite humanitarian and peaceful recourse as the explanation for continued abject failure to effect successful military operations in a system next door to our primary operations base in Nennamaila." Some military experts might call this, trying to retreat with dignity and honour in the face of an enemy that unlike that font of strategic and tactical nous, Julianus Soter, can actually find success without throwing numbers at any and all problems on the frontlines. Pilot Toluijin has the right of it. This is a first step, but it is a step we have made where others have not. Although I made the effort to bring this proposal to [GMVA] leadership for approval, I've seen similar suggestions made by Gallente and Caldari pilots alike. If the various Militia entities were to agree to withdraw behind their respective borders and limit their operations to the defense of their sovereignty it would certainly have an impact. As for retreat from Enaluri, it would be remis of me not to acknowledge that Pyre Falcon and various others have been effective in defending that system. Much as LVLUP and JUSTK effectively defended Eha from sustained offensives by Evoke. It is not unheard of for small well organized units to be able to effectively employ harassment tactics in a system's defense. The difference here is that while Pyre Falcon is holding the fort in Enaluri, there is no Caldari offensive strength to threaten Gallente systems. As you have focused your efforts in that system, elsewhere the warzone has slipped from your grasp. Shall we trust in your own peaceful intent that were we to cease keeping pressure on Enaluri that Pyre Falcon and others would not shift to an offensive role? I think not. Hence: Rinai Vero wrote:To be clear: GMVA will not consider itself under obligation to Cease Fire in any theater of war. Offensive operations targeting Caldari Military Installations will continue, and any Caldari held star systems in recognized Gallente regions of Placid, Essence, or Verge Vendor will continue to be targets for liberation. We will continue to be vigilant in defending the liberty and livelihood of the many Gallente, Intaki and other Federation Citizens living throughout the warzone. Enaluri will continue to be very much within the theater of war. GMVA forces will continue their operations against hostile Caldari forces in that system and every other. Oh, Rinai... I should have read more carefully, shouldn't I?
So you'll still be sending your pilots to Enaluri, a Caldari system. You'll still be engaging STPRO forces in Enaluri. You'll still be attacking 'State Military Facilities' there?
In other words nothing has changed. If you'd stated that you'd stay out of Caldari systems in the warzone and only engage our forces while passing through those systems if they jumped to you, then THAT would have been a worthy statement.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
297
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Posted - 2013.04.05 19:26:00 -
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Let them come. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
141
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Posted - 2013.04.05 19:32:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Oh, Rinai... I should have read more carefully, shouldn't I?
So you'll still be sending your pilots to Enaluri, a Caldari system. You'll still be engaging STPRO forces in Enaluri. You'll still be attacking 'State Military Facilities' there?
In other words nothing has changed. If you'd stated that you'd stay out of Caldari systems in the warzone and only engage our forces while passing through those systems if they jumped to you, then THAT would have been a worthy statement.
As of 19:00 there are 16 vulnerable Caldari held systems, and 18 more that are contested above 95%. All but a handful of those are in Caldari territory. From what I've seen there are no State Protectorate forces currently capable of either preventing those systems from being taken, or recapturing them once they fall.
We, on the other hand, are more than organized enough to flip those systems if we choose to do so. We are choosing instead to let them remain under Caldari jurisdiction. Would you prefer that it was otherwise? I rather think your CEO would, as it fits better with her attempts to spin the Gallente Federation as agressors in this conflict. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
775
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Posted - 2013.04.05 19:54:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Oh, Rinai... I should have read more carefully, shouldn't I?
So you'll still be sending your pilots to Enaluri, a Caldari system. You'll still be engaging STPRO forces in Enaluri. You'll still be attacking 'State Military Facilities' there?
In other words nothing has changed. If you'd stated that you'd stay out of Caldari systems in the warzone and only engage our forces while passing through those systems if they jumped to you, then THAT would have been a worthy statement.
As of 19:00 there are 16 vulnerable Caldari held systems, and 18 more that are contested above 95%. All but a handful of those are in Caldari territory. From what I've seen there are no State Protectorate forces currently capable of either preventing those systems from being taken, or recapturing them once they fall. We, on the other hand, are more than organized enough to flip those systems if we choose to do so. We are choosing instead to let them remain under Caldari jurisdiction. Would you prefer that it was otherwise? I rather think your CEO would, as it fits better with her attempts to spin the Gallente Federation as agressors in this conflict.
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that the GMVA won't be flipping systems - but many of those systems have been vulnerable for a week or more. I'd just be more convinced if you moved over to defensive operations or left Black Rise entirely to focus on Placid/Verge Vendor. |
Frozen Fallout
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
12
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Posted - 2013.04.05 21:11:00 -
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Cant we all just get allong and have fun killing each other in space :).
Let the humans count their dead we will count our kills! |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
880
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Posted - 2013.04.05 22:37:00 -
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Frozen Fallout wrote:Cant we all just get along and have fun killing each other in space :).
Let the humans count their dead we will count our kills!
No need to take your space we just want fun.
We need to take baby steps towards your freedom and we cant allow for you take everything back right away. If things go well maybe some day Black Rise can once again be Caldari.
I look forward to continuing working with Caldari to work towards the freedom they well deserve from under their overlords in the squid empire.
Freedom for all.
Boosters are bad, mkay? ~Malcolm Khross
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
300
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Posted - 2013.04.07 11:30:00 -
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Spotted a small detachment including GMVA pilots attempting to destroy the Akidagi hub yesterday.
Either empty gestures or an astonishing level of control over one's own pilots. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
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