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Praetor Meles
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.04.06 11:20:00 -
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Consumed Soul wrote:My personal opinion is that the Autopilot button should put folks in suspect status until it's turned off.
Epic. [insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*
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Shiho Weitong
Koa Mai Hoku Nulli Legio
5
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Posted - 2013.04.06 11:32:00 -
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Praetor Meles wrote:Consumed Soul wrote:My personal opinion is that the Autopilot button should put folks in suspect status until it's turned off. Epic.
I find myself agreeing with a blue.
How quaint.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1269
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Posted - 2013.04.06 12:23:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:If you are asking why you are dropped 15 km from a gate, then CCP have answered that as being to allow ships time to recover capacitor. CCP later also claimed that auto-pilot isn't supposed to be as efficient.
This.
Take a low skilled pilot, put them in a shuttle and manually fly as fast as you can. You will eventually run out of cap on some long warps.
Do the same with AP and your cap is always topped off by the time you reach the gate.
Whether or not you like this as the excuse. It does work as a valid reason AP is the way it is. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1252
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Posted - 2013.04.06 12:35:00 -
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Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
I want a game where I can leave the keyboard any time I want without risk of losing anything particularly valuable in the game.
People are entitled to have fun and lives as well. Eve discourages people from leaving their keyboards while playing. Therefore, Eve is against life.
Welcome to EVE. EVE is hard. Play at your own risk. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
397
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Posted - 2013.04.06 12:43:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Andski wrote:hiseccers get crimewatch, the "last nerf" to 'unwanted' hisec aggression
dissatisfied, hiseccers demand more nerfs to hisec aggression How do we know it's a high-sec poster? I mean I really don't hear them complaining about this issue. They'd more complain about the gatecamps at chokepoints just trying to play the game, though. People dont tend to last long outside of high sec when using auto pilot.
Once...
Once I auto piloted from Jita to Branch
I had stuff to do and the clone was empty anyway so I just rolled the dice and it worked.
Never ever worked again.
We miss you Saede. |
Zak Breen
Beagle Expeditions
20
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Posted - 2013.04.06 12:48:00 -
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Not a clue. A poor "consequence" (if you want to call it that) of pressing a button - instead of sitting there through every agonizing jump, and pressing a button. Needless and quite opposite of what would happen in real life. Autopilot is to planes as cruise control is to cars.
It's there to get rid of the monotony, but in EVE for some reason it "needs" to stop 20km from a gate "just because". |
Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
160
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Posted - 2013.04.06 14:00:00 -
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I demand instant travel from location to location!
These damn gryphons are too slow!!!!! I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence..... |
LoJ4X
The Shizzel
1
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Posted - 2013.04.06 14:30:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Andski wrote:hiseccers get crimewatch, the "last nerf" to 'unwanted' hisec aggression
dissatisfied, hiseccers demand more nerfs to hisec aggression How do we know it's a high-sec poster? I mean I really don't hear them complaining about this issue. They'd more complain about the gatecamps at chokepoints just trying to play the game, though.
Because if it was a lowsec or nullsec player he would have deserved to be shot out of the sky for wanting to warp to zero on autopilot in low or nullsec. It would mean that he wants to be safe and afk in low and nullsec AKA a highseccer.
What would be the point of low and nullsec then if you can just afk travel through it? |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
433
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Posted - 2013.04.06 23:50:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Montevius Williams wrote:{I love autopilot.} Cool. Montevius Williams wrote:{internet} Spaceships...hahahaha..no thanks. Do you realize that when your ship is automatically traveling through the EVE universe, you are not actually playing EVE Online? And, since that is the case, why should you reap any sort of benefit apart from accumulating skillpoints? Montevius Williams wrote:And what the hell is wrong with Freighters? I mean, they are freighters. They have one role and they do that role well...whats you issue with them? We might even say that they do that role TOO well, given that travelling in EVE via jump gates only costs time, and that might be my issue with them. Now, if a freighter used way more fuel or was as balanced against a battleship as an 18 wheeler is against a tank . . .
Yes, I do love AP. Thanks, very astute observation there sir.
What is the benefit you are talking about? AFK piloting? There is a risk invloved there as well. It's not all benefit. Again, AFK traveling is fine. There are WAYYY more important things to trackle in EVE than AFK travel lol.
And Covert ops ship cloak too well And Hulks mine too well And Machariels run level 4's too well And ECM is overpowered etc....
"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Stray Bullets
Perkone Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2013.04.06 23:54:00 -
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Zaraz Zaraz wrote:Stray Bullets wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:Angen Oskold wrote:What is the point of making auto pilot so slow? This is EVE, developed by CCP. CCP believes that anyone that wishes to play their game should be punished by being made to sit at their desk performing the same repetitive set of mouse clicks time after time after time. See also: - Trading & Selling mission loot - Research & Manufacture - Planetary Interaction - Mining - Solo PVE I jest, of course. I suspect the real reason is that making proper UI and dynamic, interactive in-space things is hard. Manual jumping is one of those particularly annoying ones in that there is an enforced period of time between actions (click click wait for warp... click click wait for warp) that makes a significant number of people reach for the "Automate this. I have better things to do with my day" button. If you have better things to do with your day, log off and go do those things! Why are you insisting on playing a game when you really want to do something better with your day? Bellow: Your logic in a nutshell! "Guy chooses to play a game. Complains game is too slow as he wants to do something better with his day. Proceeds to insinuate he should automate the game he doesn't want to play using that same fact as an excuse!"TL;DR; entitlement <- look it up! I want a game where I can leave the keyboard any time I want without risk of losing anything particularly valuable in the game. People are entitled to have fun and lives as well. Eve discourages people from leaving their keyboards while playing. Therefore, Eve is against life.
Well, if you're leaving the keyboard to do something else with your life, log off from the game. That's as safe as it gets in EVE. Unless you're under a timer or already being hunted down by a skilled scanner, logging off will assure you that your stuff is safe, thus, entitling you to have fun with your life out of the game.
What you really want is a way to either move without risk or a way to automate said travel without risk. You want to be rewarded in game for not playing the game.
So like I said before, if you don't want to play EVE, why do you insist in playing EVE? You ALWAYS risk whatever you're flying every time you undock. This is EVE. It's the very core of EVE. You undock, you will (eventually) get your stuff blown to hell.
Freighters are not fast to train into. You get more than enough time to read into freighters before you actually can fly one, so you know beforehand that they are slow as **** and still you choose to fly one. But then you realize it takes too long to fly the freighter, so you go on auto-pilot and then go watch some TV, while it does your 2h of flight time for you. You get blown to **** and then complain about the AP being too slow.
Like I said before:
TL;DR; entitlement <- look it up![/quote] |
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
414
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Posted - 2013.04.06 23:54:00 -
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Angen Oskold wrote:What is the point of making auto pilot so slow?
It is already quite dangerous as the user isn't paying close attention.
And whose fault is that?
If you are paying attention you aren't using AP, and thus saving huge amounts of time as you no doubt warp to zero every time.
True story.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Sharon Anne
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.04.07 00:03:00 -
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The only thing I would add to AP is that it turn on my AB on my approach to the gate/station. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2013.04.07 00:25:00 -
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Stray Bullets wrote:If you have better things to do with your day, log off and go do those things! Why are you insisting on playing a game when you really want to do something better with your day?
WoW has it now if you blindly fly, you're going to hit flocks of birds that can attack and demount you...splat!
So if the so-called easier games have this mechanic, someone is asking for an easier way to play than WoW. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3900
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Posted - 2013.04.07 00:53:00 -
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Several very good reasons dictate how auto pilot works, but the chief among them are...
1: Providing ample time to be scanned, targeted, and blown up... even if you are in a relatively quick ship.
2: Distance in EvE is an important variable. Most likely you thought about this as you auto piloted to Jita from where ever in the the EvE universe. Even with the current mechanics it is far to easy and quick to just autopilot there instead of developing your local markets. This is a bad thing. Easy projection of force is another, but more complex issue I'm not going to go into again.
If you want to travel quickly to your destination, with a higher degree of safety, pilot manually.
If you choose to put it on auto, it's going to be slower and far riskier. This is by design.
One last thought, for the gentleman that likened auto pilot to cruise control on a car (saying it's there to relieve the tedium) what say the next long trip you take you just throw on cruise control and hop in the back seat for a nap. Lets see how far you get. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
1017
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Posted - 2013.04.07 01:08:00 -
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Zaraz Zaraz wrote: I want a game where I can leave the keyboard any time I want without risk of losing anything particularly valuable in the game.
People are entitled to have fun and lives as well. Eve discourages people from leaving their keyboards while playing. Therefore, Eve is against life.
Do you expect to be able to walk away from a match in Street Fighter at any time and not lose?
If not, then why do you think of EVE any differently?
Psychotic Monk for CSM. Belligerent Undesirables Blog. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
651
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Posted - 2013.04.07 02:45:00 -
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Angen Oskold wrote: It is already quite dangerous as the user isn't paying close attention.
Incorrect: It's only dangerous to travel at full speed in hi-sec if you are flying something with an extremely slow align time which the majority of players do not fly. Normal speed travel is only dangerous outside of hi-sec and if you plan on using autopilot outside of high then you deserve to lose your ship.
Quote: Speeding it up would help alleviate the tedium of traveling distances - and reduce a pointless frustration for players.
Incorrect: Autopilot is for traveling while AFK, if you are sitting there bored out of your mind watching your ship autopilot then you're doing it wrong.
Quote: At the same time, it wouldn't have a serious impact on the safety of traveling either.
Incorrect: Autopilot going at normal speed would make afking in hi-sec virtually 100% safe. You could afk an activity and afk move around, you've practically turned into a bot, which brings up another point. This would make bots much more efficient.
Horrible horrible horrible idea. I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |
Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
97
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Posted - 2013.04.07 09:05:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:Zaraz Zaraz wrote: I want a game where I can leave the keyboard any time I want without risk of losing anything particularly valuable in the game.
People are entitled to have fun and lives as well. Eve discourages people from leaving their keyboards while playing. Therefore, Eve is against life.
Do you expect to be able to walk away from a match in Street Fighter at any time and not lose? If not, then why do you think of EVE any differently?
You are comparing an MMO with an arcade game?
Right...
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
441
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Posted - 2013.04.07 09:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Andski wrote:hiseccers get crimewatch, the "last nerf" to 'unwanted' hisec aggression
dissatisfied, hiseccers demand more nerfs to hisec aggression How do we know it's a high-sec poster? I mean I really don't hear them complaining about this issue. They'd more complain about the gatecamps at chokepoints just trying to play the game, though. People dont tend to last long outside of high sec when using auto pilot.
They also don't last long in highsec either, especially 0.5 systems on AP.
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Lord Zim
2346
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Posted - 2013.04.07 09:29:00 -
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Miilla wrote:They also don't last long in highsec either, especially 0.5 systems on AP. Funny, I've never gotten ganked while on autopilot, no matter how many times I autopilot through, say, niarja. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. RIP Vile Rat |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
441
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Posted - 2013.04.07 09:30:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Miilla wrote:They also don't last long in highsec either, especially 0.5 systems on AP. Funny, I've never gotten ganked while on autopilot, no matter how many times I autopilot through, say, niarja.
I did it one, in a light industrial with 4 tengu hulls and some apothoesis shuttles.
Thankfully everything got destroyed, worth about 1 bill. No big deal, i laughed once i read the kill mail wiht nothing dropped for him :)
This was in Esceama 0.5 an Rens to Amarr route, also near a highsec to null border gate.
Don't AP in empire unless you only fly 0.7+ routes which kind of limits your route as you will hit a 0.5 somewhere. |
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Lord Zim
2346
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Posted - 2013.04.07 09:32:00 -
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Miilla wrote:I did it one, in a light industrial with 4 tengu hulls and some apothoesis shuttles. I spotted your problem. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. RIP Vile Rat |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
441
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Posted - 2013.04.07 09:33:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Miilla wrote:I did it one, in a light industrial with 4 tengu hulls and some apothoesis shuttles. I spotted your problem.
So did he :)
No big loss anyway I was bored and lazy and got hit. :)
Was fun though :) |
Lord Zim
2347
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Posted - 2013.04.07 09:39:00 -
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So what you meant to say when you posted
Miilla wrote:They also don't last long in highsec either, especially 0.5 systems on AP. was that "people who are dumb and carry a billion isk in ships and misc other stuff in a ship which can be one-shot with a shitfit t3 will not last long in hisec either, especially 0.5 systems on AP", which is very different from "nobody'll last long in hisec either, especially 0.5 systems on AP", which is what you inferred.
Nobody cares about people who are losing ships while doing dumb things. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. RIP Vile Rat |
Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
247
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Posted - 2013.04.07 09:43:00 -
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Angen Oskold wrote:What is the point of making auto pilot so slow?
It is already quite dangerous as the user isn't paying close attention. Speeding it up would help alleviate the tedium of traveling distances - and reduce a pointless frustration for players. At the same time, it wouldn't have a serious impact on the safety of traveling either.
EVE already feels quite small due to warp to zero and jump bridges. It doesn't need fast(er) travel...
This would also seriously screw with regional markets, making Jita even more of a hellhole.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1586
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Posted - 2013.04.07 09:57:00 -
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Andski wrote:hiseccers get crimewatch, the "last nerf" to 'unwanted' hisec aggression
dissatisfied, hiseccers demand more nerfs to hisec aggression
That's why I always say "CCP hired an economist when they should have hired a psycologist".
People who feel entitled aren't the kinds of people for which enough is ever enough. In fact, IRL as it is in game, giving people more and more stuff or shortcuts tend to encourage them to want more of the same and adopt a "what have you don't for me lately" menatality.
You simply can't take people who can't be happy with what they have, give them more stuff and expect them to STFU. |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
76
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Posted - 2013.04.07 10:10:00 -
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It's pretty dumb. If I have a dozen high sec jumps to make I'm sitting reading stuff in my browser and not particularly paying attention other than listening for the session change and pressing the jump button.
about the only time i use AP is if i'm shifting clones around in a shuttle freelance space bum |
LoJ4X
The Shizzel
1
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Posted - 2013.04.07 11:48:00 -
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Zaraz Zaraz wrote:Stray Bullets wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:Angen Oskold wrote:What is the point of making auto pilot so slow? This is EVE, developed by CCP. CCP believes that anyone that wishes to play their game should be punished by being made to sit at their desk performing the same repetitive set of mouse clicks time after time after time. See also: - Trading & Selling mission loot - Research & Manufacture - Planetary Interaction - Mining - Solo PVE I jest, of course. I suspect the real reason is that making proper UI and dynamic, interactive in-space things is hard. Manual jumping is one of those particularly annoying ones in that there is an enforced period of time between actions (click click wait for warp... click click wait for warp) that makes a significant number of people reach for the "Automate this. I have better things to do with my day" button. If you have better things to do with your day, log off and go do those things! Why are you insisting on playing a game when you really want to do something better with your day? Bellow: Your logic in a nutshell! "Guy chooses to play a game. Complains game is too slow as he wants to do something better with his day. Proceeds to insinuate he should automate the game he doesn't want to play using that same fact as an excuse!"TL;DR; entitlement <- look it up! I want a game where I can leave the keyboard any time I want without risk of losing anything particularly valuable in the game. People are entitled to have fun and lives as well. Eve discourages people from leaving their keyboards while playing. Therefore, Eve is against life.
i can see how you suck in just about any videogame. AFK'ing in a game usually does not end well for the user and yes, this includes eve.
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
444
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Posted - 2013.04.07 11:50:00 -
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Play the game or... Leave the game.
I am 100% against any kind of automation especially if there is no higher risk of using said automation.
Multiboxing should also be banned as it gives those players an advantage over those that do not use automation.
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Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
97
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Posted - 2013.04.07 12:07:00 -
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LoJ4X wrote: i can see how you suck in just about any videogame. AFK'ing in a game usually does not end well for the user and yes, this includes eve.
I have fun, is that the same as sucking?
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Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
97
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Posted - 2013.04.07 12:08:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Play the game or... Leave the game.
I am 100% against any kind of automation especially if there is no higher risk of using said automation.
Multiboxing should also be banned as it gives those players an advantage over those that do not use automation.
Yeah, more mindless button pushing ftw!
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