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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:45:00 -
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The ones that multibox / cheat, should have penalties, or the ones that don't get bonuses.
Pick one, you cannot have EASY MODE whilst the rest of us dont nor want to. |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
84
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:51:00 -
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well, I guess i don't see why if botting is illegal and AFK play frowned on then this is ok?
i think eve players love inconsistency. or they've just had to deal with it so long they feel invested at least. freelance space bum |
Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
176
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:54:00 -
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....and the butthurt continues
nice vid btw |
K1netic
Devastating House Devastating Reign
30
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:57:00 -
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Can you also show us the videos of your failed isboxer bombing fleets Thx for the easy killmails i guess....
+1 Ban ISboxer. If you want to multi-box do it the old fashioned way, at least it prevents 50 ships 1 man armies. |
Merkal Aubauch
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
23
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:39:00 -
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Hope this **** will get banned... |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:26:00 -
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You can't do much with so many accounts run by only one person except very basic tasks such as mining and ratting. And all these accounts mining means more subscriptions for CCP, and more cheap minerals on the market. So I don't see it doing too much harm. |
Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
86
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:42:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:You can't do much with so many accounts run by only one person except very basic tasks such as mining and ratting. And all these accounts mining means more subscriptions for CCP, and more cheap minerals on the market. So I don't see it doing too much harm.
it's the perfect tool for bargain ganking.
it won't even be the howls of protest over that either, it'll be collapse of the trade pipes and hubs due to unbeareable lag from the 50 ships every pirates takes in. freelance space bum |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1460
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:57:00 -
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OP gets a 10/10 for the rage tears he's created with this thread. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |
Frying Doom
2275
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Posted - 2013.04.08 23:42:00 -
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I have never tried it, so it was actually interesting to watch. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null. |
Mai'n
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.04.09 00:38:00 -
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l MicroFleet . I run my Scout ,Main, Link and Logi without ISBoxer on an ASUS laptop using normal clients.. It is expensive and takes a lot of work to master the skill sets. I enjoy the challenge and pound of a good fight. I lose a lot. And I have Hella FUN doing it!
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Chalithra Lathar
Rhongomiant Legion Industries Synthetic Systems
0
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Posted - 2013.04.09 05:42:00 -
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xarjin wrote:Another friend of mine multiboxes eve with 9 carcals and he'e been playing for around month and lives in nullsec. Multiboxing 9 Carcals
Trying to make me famous?
Anyway, The main reason multiboxing is usually allowed in an MMO is that it provides no advantages that a group of players could not achieve.
In fact, I would rather fight someone multiboxing 20 ships instead of 20 ships played by 20 players.
Ask yourself which would be more difficult to overcome. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
131
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Posted - 2013.04.09 08:18:00 -
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ShadowandLight wrote: Dual boxing PVP accounts is pretty doable but beyond that it becomes hard to keep track of the battlefield.
which in simple terms means you can't run more than 2 accounts without the isboxer software, you may be able to run more than 2 but as you said yourself it gets hard to keep track of things. isn't that the very same as saying i get an advantage over others because i use this software isboxer to run more than 2 accounts.
come on, you can all dance around what CCP say is a rule or not. ISboxer gives you an advantage over others and if others wish to be competitive with you they will have no choice but to use that software too, do you really think that's a good thing for EVE as a game (not CCP as a company)
i'm sorry if this butt hurts you isboxer users but i'm not a fan of it. |
Chalithra Lathar
Rhongomiant Legion Industries Synthetic Systems
0
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Posted - 2013.04.09 09:22:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:which in simple terms means you can't run more than 2 accounts without the isboxer software, you may be able to run more than 2 but as you said yourself it gets hard to keep track of things. isn't that the very same as saying i get an advantage over others because i use this software isboxer to run more than 2 accounts.
come on, you can all dance around what CCP say is a rule or not. ISboxer gives you an advantage over others and if others wish to be competitive with you they will have no choice but to use that software too, do you really think that's a good thing for EVE as a game (not CCP as a company)
i'm sorry if this butt hurts you isboxer users but i'm not a fan of it.
I find the term "advantage" to be a very interesting one in terms of EVE Online. I played World of Warcraft for several years (multiboxing 10 accounts), and just recently started playing EVE (enjoying the hell out of it!). This is why I am baffled when folks post a tangent about ISboxer creating an advantage.
Yea, ISboxer provides an advantage. duh. That is rather indisputable. The real question you should ask is if any player or group should have an advantage over another. If you want something to be 'fair' and 'balanced,' you should go play WoW. They limit the size of groups that fight each other. They cap the maximum stats that your character can have in a battleground. The devs of WoW are constantly altering their game to cater to people who cry when they lose.
From what I've seen in EVE, every combat encounter is about advantage. There are no skill point restrictions that prevent pilots of vast SP differences to fight one another. There are no enforced 1:1 ratios allowed to fight, as is the case with Battlegrounds in WoW.
Realistically, there is no such thing as a 'fair' fight in this game. There is no balance; there are superior fits, skills, numbers, fleet comps, effective leadership, and firepower.
Trying to appeal to fairness about anything in this game is gut-bustingly hilarious.
War isn't fair. Real life isn't fair. EVE isn't fair.
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Edgar Cayce
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.04.09 10:06:00 -
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I will never have anymore than 2 accounts ever, training skills on 10+ different accounts would send me insane |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
828
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Posted - 2013.04.09 10:20:00 -
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Thelonious Blake wrote:Doesn't having multiple accounts make the game to feel too much as a "job"?
Just one feels like a job some times.... :D http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
131
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Posted - 2013.04.22 01:20:00 -
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Chalithra Lathar wrote:
I find the term "advantage" to be a very interesting one in terms of EVE Online. I played World of Warcraft for several years (multiboxing 10 accounts), and just recently started playing EVE (enjoying the hell out of it!). This is why I am baffled when folks post a tangent about ISboxer creating an advantage.
Yea, ISboxer provides an advantage. duh. That is rather indisputable. The real question you should ask is if any player or group should have an advantage over another. If you want something to be 'fair' and 'balanced,' you should go play WoW. They limit the size of groups that fight each other. They cap the maximum stats that your character can have in a battleground. The devs of WoW are constantly altering their game to cater to people who cry when they lose.
From what I've seen in EVE, every combat encounter is about advantage. There are no skill point restrictions that prevent pilots of vast SP differences to fight one another. There are no enforced 1:1 ratios allowed to fight, as is the case with Battlegrounds in WoW.
Realistically, there is no such thing as a 'fair' fight in this game. There is no balance; there are superior fits, skills, numbers, fleet comps, effective leadership, and firepower.
Trying to appeal to fairness about anything in this game is gut-bustingly hilarious.
War isn't fair. Real life isn't fair. EVE isn't fair.
welcome to EVE Chalithra
I dislike the use of third party software, i see it as taking the **** out of a game i love, allowing people to earn stupid amounts of isk through the use of Isboxer takes something away from the game, i remember when it was a huge ******* deal to own a battleship, and if you saw a rare ship you went and told your mates in ts and most times they'd come join you in that system to see it or try kill it lol ;) everyone would be working real hard to train for a ship, mining like mental to build that ship or running missions or whatever to get the isk to buy and fit that ship, now here comes isboxer, you can run as many accounts and you can afford to buy and once you have the skills, there isn't a ship you can't afford. i'm sure many remember asking chriba to undock his dreadnought just to see one.
the sight of a titan was like **** me!
little mister isboxer will just run his **** load of accounts for an hour and buy whatever ship and fits he wants without having any respect for the loss of them ships, sure why would he, he'll replace them without any real effort. i think that takes something away from the game.
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Tank Talbot
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2013.04.22 01:45:00 -
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I will never be a fan of multi-boxing clients in EVE. I honestly feel that it hurts the game and community. However, there seems to be too much money in it now to ever get rid of it. |
Reppyk
Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD.
395
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Posted - 2013.04.22 03:41:00 -
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That's a nice video.
On a side note, I watched another one from you : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq4c-WCsS9c
You're clearly using macro keyboards.
Quote:You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. I'm not an EULA expert nor a macro expert but "push butan : all DPS unlock targets" (which is not as easy to get as it may sound) looks especially suspicious (without a macro you must repeat the keys a few times). I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. -áI AM A LOWSEC GANKER, HIGHSEC SCUM, NULLSEC BASTARD, WORMHOLE INVADER. Welcome to, welcome to, welcome to my scramble. GÖÑ |
TR4D3R4LT
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2013.04.22 04:02:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:I'm not an EULA expert nor a macro expert but "push butan : all DPS unlock targets" (which is not as easy to get as it may sound) looks especially suspicious (without a macro you must repeat the keys a few times).
Feel free to google "eve online +G15" as example. Key macros are totally fine as long as you're the one pressing the buttons. This has been GM confirmed multiple times over last 7+ years. Macros that automate client functionality, aka receive command, macro runs "undock, activate tank modules, warp to belt, lock npc rats, shoot while scanning local, if someone shows up, warp to SS, otherwise shoot all rats, warp to next belt, repeat until x amount of time, redock, refill ammo, repair ship, repeat above for 23.5/7" are banana worthy, as they should be.
You can thank keyboard quick macros for the fact we even have turret stacking in place, otherwise we would still be f1,f2,f3,f4,f5,f6,f7,f8 :n all over the place.
EDIT: Since I was feeling nice, I'll leave this here. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1321518&page=1#11 |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep The Methodical Alliance
123
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Posted - 2013.04.22 04:06:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:I have no idea why CCP do not consider this an exploit but they really should. I run multiple accounts a LOT myself but don't use any lame ass software to bot it.
If I was to change one single thing about EVE EULA it's make this garbage a ban-able offense.
I'll never use multi boxing programs, but they are not bots. |
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rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
44
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Posted - 2013.04.22 04:21:00 -
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I honestly thought it was... The more you know, I guess. We are the other side of Eve...the human side. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182994 http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/ |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep The Methodical Alliance
123
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Posted - 2013.04.22 04:47:00 -
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So to everyone saying multi boxing provides an advantage, you are a little off. It provides the advantages that any close knit group that works well together would provide. RvB has one particular guy who uses ISBoxer to run 4 accounts at the same time in PVP, and myself and 2 others were able to take him down. He had the numbers advantage, we had the advantage of good communication and planning.
For mining its the same thing. If someone has 30 accounts and mines with 29 and has one for Orca support, he will be getting the same benefits as 30 people working together. For missions the same concept.
The only advantage it actually provides is not needing to arrange a fleet, get into comms, meet at the same spot and then do what needs to be done. If you simply don't have the time to rely on others then ISBoxer gives you that.
Not defending it (as I posted earlier, I don't and never will use it), I'm just saying that the whole "ISBOXER GIVES ADVANTAGES SO ITS BOTTING AND SHOULD BE BANNED" argument is wrong. |
oodell
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.22 06:03:00 -
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To the multiboxer naysayers I have a few points to make:
1) What you are seeing here is probably six months of practice, mistakes, failure analysis and expensive lossmails. Not to mention years of prerequisite EVE knowledge and resources to accomplish it. You see the end result and don't take into consideration the commitment to do it.
2) Multiboxing is not botting. Nothing is automated (besides MAYBE basic macro's, which even singleboxers might use). You have to be at your PC to do anything, and every click and keystroke is human generated.
3) ISBoxer is little more than fancy window management and a keyboard/mouse repeater bundled into an incredibly unintuitive and confusing application.
4) In PVE, you make more isk/hr, yes, but you're paying more money/plex a month for the privilege. Not to mention dual boxers do the same thing. What's the difference between running two drakes with two windows or multiple with this software? Keep in mind there is nothing magical about it. Where do you draw the line? Should we eliminate dualboxing as well?
5) Multiboxing like this is incredibly error-prone. Something as simple as warping all your guys to a stargate can have many implications and complexities. (For example, refresh rates of overviews different on all clients, ghosting on overview, different clients selecting different objects, aligning difficulties) A single multiboxer is never going to be as effective as an equivalent number of real people. This is true in both PVE and PVP. It might look easy, but it isn't.
I absolutely agree that botting should be a bannable offence. It removes all skill from the player and replaces it with automation. Something like this on the other hand is exactly the opposite. It requires enormous experience, skill and practice, and for a lot of people it is a whole new type of endgame for this game. |
culo duro
Next Level Alcoholics
76
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Posted - 2013.04.22 08:24:00 -
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I think it's amazing that people think that multiboxing is advantageous...
Pros: You control more characters easier IF setup correctly.
Cons: Horrible overview. Difficult to control. More accounts to pay/plex.
On top of that, if you put up a 10man multiboxing fleet vs a 10man player fleet, that 10man player fleet will win unless they all suck ass and have no idea what pvp is.
Stop whining and get internet friends, or get some mining alts which can mine for you so you can plex, if you start plexing you can use your sub to put up a subscription for ISBoxer aswell.
There's so much hatred on a guy that's keeping the game alive for you... Also to the ones that are saying that "eve is dying" i see higher amounts of players on everyday... wtf.. |
rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
45
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Posted - 2013.04.22 08:41:00 -
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Your post is a really excellent summary and I appreciate it. I have a neutral opinion on this subject. I just thought that it was a bannable offense until reading this post. I had a friend once send me a link to ISBoxer and I never pursued it because it seemed like the kind of thing that would not be permitted.
My opinion is neutral because it is difficult to decide where to draw the line. I have alts that will be on at the same time, but I alt-tab between them. I've never used them together in a fleet as I feel that would be difficult. In that regard, I think ISBoxer would make that a lot easier to do, but there's also the disadvantage in that every character must be flying the same type of ship and fit, and that is not what my alts are for, thus it wouldn't be a benefit for me.
I do think there's a gray area for those that do this for mining. They are often put in the middle of controversy just for being semi-afk; being able to control an entire fleet and raping belts by one *player* doesn't sit so well with me. You say get internet friends; well, perhaps that miner with the dozen alts I see every day should do the same. I've seen him get decced only to put his alts in an NPC corp, thus making ganking truly the only way to counter what to me is abusive.
Other than that, I don't see an issue with it. This, of course, is just my own personal opinion. Everyone's opinion is different. We are the other side of Eve...the human side. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182994 http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/ |
culo duro
Next Level Alcoholics
76
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Posted - 2013.04.22 08:44:00 -
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rswfire wrote:My opinion is neutral because it is difficult to decide where to draw the line. I have alts that will be on at the same time, but I alt-tab between them. I've never used them together in a fleet as I feel that would be difficult. In that regard, I think ISBoxer would make that a lot easier to do, but there's also the disadvantage in that every character must be flying the same type of ship and fit, and that is not what my alts are for, thus it wouldn't be a benefit for me.
This is exactly the thing.... People compare ISBoxer alts as players.... |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2607
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:00:00 -
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Chalithra Lathar wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:which in simple terms means you can't run more than 2 accounts without the isboxer software, you may be able to run more than 2 but as you said yourself it gets hard to keep track of things. isn't that the very same as saying i get an advantage over others because i use this software isboxer to run more than 2 accounts.
come on, you can all dance around what CCP say is a rule or not. ISboxer gives you an advantage over others and if others wish to be competitive with you they will have no choice but to use that software too, do you really think that's a good thing for EVE as a game (not CCP as a company)
i'm sorry if this butt hurts you isboxer users but i'm not a fan of it. I find the term "advantage" to be a very interesting one in terms of EVE Online. I played World of Warcraft for several years (multiboxing 10 accounts), and just recently started playing EVE (enjoying the hell out of it!). This is why I am baffled when folks post a tangent about ISboxer creating an advantage. Yea, ISboxer provides an advantage. duh. That is rather indisputable. The real question you should ask is if any player or group should have an advantage over another. If you want something to be 'fair' and 'balanced,' you should go play WoW. They limit the size of groups that fight each other. They cap the maximum stats that your character can have in a battleground. The devs of WoW are constantly altering their game to cater to people who cry when they lose. From what I've seen in EVE, every combat encounter is about advantage. There are no skill point restrictions that prevent pilots of vast SP differences to fight one another. There are no enforced 1:1 ratios allowed to fight, as is the case with Battlegrounds in WoW. Realistically, there is no such thing as a 'fair' fight in this game. There is no balance; there are superior fits, skills, numbers, fleet comps, effective leadership, and firepower. Trying to appeal to fairness about anything in this game is gut-bustingly hilarious. War isn't fair. Real life isn't fair. EVE isn't fair.
It's true, EVE isn't fair.
The difference between EVE game mechanics and ISBotter, however, is that you create the advantage with a third-party program and not by using the same measures everyone has access to just by using the legit client.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
rswfire
Firesworn Firesworn Nation
45
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:03:00 -
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culo duro wrote:This is exactly the thing.... People compare ISBoxer alts as players....
I think it would be more apt to say that it's a single player with a force multiplier behind it. We are the other side of Eve...the human side. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182994 http://www.firesworn.com/index.php?/topic/69-about-firesworn-nation/ |
culo duro
Next Level Alcoholics
76
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:04:00 -
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Roime wrote:Chalithra Lathar wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:which in simple terms means you can't run more than 2 accounts without the isboxer software, you may be able to run more than 2 but as you said yourself it gets hard to keep track of things. isn't that the very same as saying i get an advantage over others because i use this software isboxer to run more than 2 accounts.
come on, you can all dance around what CCP say is a rule or not. ISboxer gives you an advantage over others and if others wish to be competitive with you they will have no choice but to use that software too, do you really think that's a good thing for EVE as a game (not CCP as a company)
i'm sorry if this butt hurts you isboxer users but i'm not a fan of it. I find the term "advantage" to be a very interesting one in terms of EVE Online. I played World of Warcraft for several years (multiboxing 10 accounts), and just recently started playing EVE (enjoying the hell out of it!). This is why I am baffled when folks post a tangent about ISboxer creating an advantage. Yea, ISboxer provides an advantage. duh. That is rather indisputable. The real question you should ask is if any player or group should have an advantage over another. If you want something to be 'fair' and 'balanced,' you should go play WoW. They limit the size of groups that fight each other. They cap the maximum stats that your character can have in a battleground. The devs of WoW are constantly altering their game to cater to people who cry when they lose. From what I've seen in EVE, every combat encounter is about advantage. There are no skill point restrictions that prevent pilots of vast SP differences to fight one another. There are no enforced 1:1 ratios allowed to fight, as is the case with Battlegrounds in WoW. Realistically, there is no such thing as a 'fair' fight in this game. There is no balance; there are superior fits, skills, numbers, fleet comps, effective leadership, and firepower. Trying to appeal to fairness about anything in this game is gut-bustingly hilarious. War isn't fair. Real life isn't fair. EVE isn't fair. It's true, EVE isn't fair. The difference between EVE game mechanics and ISBotter, however, is that you create the advantage with a third-party program and not by using the same measures everyone has access to just by using the legit client.
But you do have access to it, you're just chosing to not use it. You could just plex instead then use that amount of money on an ISBoxer sub... you saying that you don't have access to it, is just silly.
Please say how you can have an advantage with ISBoxer compared to the Cons. |
culo duro
Next Level Alcoholics
76
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Posted - 2013.04.22 09:06:00 -
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rswfire wrote:culo duro wrote:This is exactly the thing.... People compare ISBoxer alts as players.... I think it would be more apt to say that it's a single player with a force multiplier behind it.
Exactly, however you're very limited multiboxing, you may have the numbers but you can't do micromangement very well. That Force multiplier is not = 1*x as people make it.. the force multiplier it probably halfed by atleast 25%.
Throw any ISBoxer multiboxer at NLA and we'll show him. |
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