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Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
33
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:09:00 -
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Seleene wrote: Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies?
Dont eat babies.... i guess they taste like poo.... Steal their candy |
CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
58
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:10:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'. You know I answer this for the OP, because perhaps coming from someone else, you might understand. If a person is in a position of trust, the CSM as a whole represents, or should represent the player base of eve. Therefore amongst alot of the player base the CSM are 'trusted' individuals.` Thus if you are using your title to scam people in game then that is pretty much corruption. If say a person trades with, especially the Chair of the CSM, one would assume he is trustworthy, whether in goons or not. 'assume' makes an ass out of u (and not me, because I'm not that damn naive)
The role of the CSM is to pass player concerns onto CCP, based on their personal experience with the game. Short of keeping NDA'd material to themselves it is not a position of trust, and CSM reps do not owe you a thing:
Quote:Also, players with a serious warning or ban on any account in their possession can be excluded from candidate eligibility. However, in-game behavior, regardless of play style, will never be a criterion for candidacy unless the rules of the EULA and/or TOS are violated.
Feel free to prove me wrong with this http://www.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:11:00 -
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Two step wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
You have not answered these two fundamental questions...You need to give a response.
So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs?
It is very simple. If mittens were, say, posting an "official CSM chairman 3rd party service" and using that to scam, that would be crossing a line. That isn't what is happening here. This thread is about angry people who got suicide ganked, despite the fact that the goons proclaimed loudly exactly where they would be ganking. If you want extra rules to apply to CSM members, you need to raise that as a proposal and have it go through the CSM process. You also can't change the rules after the fact, as I am sure some CSM members would not have agreed to run if they weren't allowed to scam or suicide gank or whatever you guys get angry about next.
Wow, just wow, you really believe that stuff your saying? He doesnt have to make a big sign saying that - people know hes the chair.or part of the CSM, that goes for any CSM member..
People will AUTOMATICALLY trust him, I think the question has been asked, but no ones give an answer,
You are basically saying - the csm cannot be trusted.... i think thats all we need to know... perhaps this thread can be locked now...
nail - coffin..... |
White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
361
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:11:00 -
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Love2MurderPubs |
White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
361
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:12:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Two step wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
You have not answered these two fundamental questions...You need to give a response.
So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs?
It is very simple. If mittens were, say, posting an "official CSM chairman 3rd party service" and using that to scam, that would be crossing a line. That isn't what is happening here. This thread is about angry people who got suicide ganked, despite the fact that the goons proclaimed loudly exactly where they would be ganking. If you want extra rules to apply to CSM members, you need to raise that as a proposal and have it go through the CSM process. You also can't change the rules after the fact, as I am sure some CSM members would not have agreed to run if they weren't allowed to scam or suicide gank or whatever you guys get angry about next. Wow, just wow, you really believe that stuff your saying? He doesnt have to make a big sign saying that - people know hes the chair.or part of the CSM, that goes for any CSM member.. People will AUTOMATICALLY trust him, I think the question has been asked, but no ones give an answer, You are basically saying - the csm cannot be trusted.... i think thats all we need to know...
CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide. |
Mr R4nd0m
Ministry Of Mining And Industry Shit.Happens
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:12:00 -
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White Tree wrote:Love2MurderPubs
Still like an answer please..
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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
10
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:13:00 -
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Seleene wrote: Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies?
Hi Sel 0/
You all eat babies.
thanks, Danks |
Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:13:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'. You know I answer this for the OP, because perhaps coming from someone else, you might understand. If a person is in a position of trust, the CSM as a whole represents, or should represent the player base of eve. Therefore amongst alot of the player base the CSM are 'trusted' individuals.` Thus if you are using your title to scam people in game then that is pretty much corruption. If say a person trades with, especially the Chair of the CSM, one would assume he is trustworthy, whether in goons or not. So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs? I think personally I would like to know your answer to these questions...
What is this I don't even..
You got asked one single simple question. You answered with "if you had done done X, then that would be bad" and proceeded to blame White Tree for avoiding giving answers. Words, they fail me... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
541
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:17:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Wow, just wow, you really believe that stuff your saying? He doesnt have to make a big sign saying that - people know hes the chair.or part of the CSM, that goes for any CSM member.. Yes he does, or he's not abusing his position GÇö you know, the supposed (but unproven) basis of the thread?
Quote:People will AUTOMATICALLY trust him, I think the question has been asked, but no ones give an answer, And why on earth is that a problem with the CSM and not with people making stupid decisions based on completely unrelated characteristics?
Quote:You are basically saying - the csm cannot be trusted No, he's saying that the CSM can be trusted to do CSM stuff. Goons can be trusted to do goon stuff (which makes them untrustworthy).
The problem is that some fools can't tell the two apart. They are unable to make the distinction between the in-game character of The Mittani, CEO of Goons, and the out-of-game person Alex, chair of the CSM. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
31
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vaffel Junior wrote:Are you mittens alt ? That's a new one. Usually, it's other people who are supposedly my alts.
I thought everyone in EVE was Chribba's alts?
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Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
65
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:17:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Mr R4nd0m wrote:
So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs?
You don't trust other EVE Players (or alts...) the CSM are EVE Players Therefore, don't trust the CSM. works fine for me, and I'll still vote for the one who most solidly shares my views. Or at least says they do at the time of the elections... edit --> as with other eve players, I just expect them to stab me in the back at some point.
Here, I've put this in handy-dandy diagrammatic form, to aid in everyones comprehension of the situation:
http://i.imgur.com/FkQPS.png |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:19:00 -
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Quote: CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.
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How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Look at this way..
If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will.
If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
544
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:20:00 -
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I take issue with that illustration.
You're making it seem like EVE players are people. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
260
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:20:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote: Wow, just wow, you really believe that stuff your saying? He doesnt have to make a big sign saying that - people know hes the chair.or part of the CSM, that goes for any CSM member..
People will AUTOMATICALLY trust him, I think the question has been asked, but no ones give an answer,
You are basically saying - the csm cannot be trusted.... i think thats all we need to know... perhaps this thread can be locked now...
nail - coffin.....
I'm sorry, but you don't get to impose your arbitrary restrictions on the way I, or any other CSM, can play this game. I know that makes you want to cry and throw your toys around your room, but that is the way it is.
I am saying that any member of the CSM is just as likely to scam you as anyone else in EVE. That is the game. If you don't like it, the unsub button is right up there ^^. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:21:00 -
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Two step wrote:WhyTry1 wrote: Wow, just wow, you really believe that stuff your saying? He doesnt have to make a big sign saying that - people know hes the chair.or part of the CSM, that goes for any CSM member..
People will AUTOMATICALLY trust him, I think the question has been asked, but no ones give an answer,
You are basically saying - the csm cannot be trusted.... i think thats all we need to know... perhaps this thread can be locked now...
nail - coffin.....
I'm sorry, but you don't get to impose your arbitrary restrictions on the way I, or any other CSM, can play this game. I know that makes you want to cry and throw your toys around your room, but that is the way it is. I am saying that any member of the CSM is just as likely to scam you as anyone else in EVE. That is the game. If you don't like it, the unsub button is right up there ^^.
for me you have said all you need to say... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
544
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:23:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Because the CSM have so far delivered on what the CSM is supposed to do. Also, because there is zero indication that the CSM are scamming people.
Quote:If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? No. They will see that character as someone who can't be trusted GÇö they have no clue wither the person behind it or not can be, because they don't know him (or her).
In fact, I'd rather argue the opposite: the less you can trust their in-game characters, the more you can trust their out-of-game representation, because at least then you know that they are familiar enough with the game to pull that kind of scam, and that kind of knowledge is pretty a prerequisite for them to be a trusted with bringing the community's views in front of CCP.
Quote:So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. By expecting them to be able to make the distinction between character and person. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
260
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:24:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Quote: CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.
How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Look at this way.. If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will. If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not
Again, you still aren't getting it. As a leader of my corporation, I have invaded the home wormholes of people that voted for me, blew up all their POSes and ships, and stole the mods that dropped. This is just fine, and those people still talk to me about CSM stuff. What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game. We still get to play the game, any way we want to. If you don't like that, I don't give a ****. CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do? |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Because the CSM have so far delivered on what the CSM is supposed to do. Also, because there is zero indication that the CSM are scamming people. Quote:If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? No. They will see that character as someone who can't be trusted GÇö they have no clue wither the person behind it or not can be, because they don't know him (or her). Quote:So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. By expecting them to be able to make the distinction between character and person.
Are you really stupid! If a person is character, they are still that person in real life scamming. Are you mad? Go away jeez now your making me mad never mind the other people...get out, get out now...im going to get a coffee to calm down.. |
Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
33
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:25:00 -
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I can not say that I trust CSM......... |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
620
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:26:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:White Tree wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:
They are corrupt...
Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'. You mean except pushing agendas that benefit only the huge nullsec alliances, like removing all high end ore from WH-space?
Hey look at this guy - he's a liar!
He's deliberately distorting the facts in an attempt to mislead or injure. That's called lying Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:26:00 -
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Two step wrote:What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game.
Interesting stuff right there. Features & Ideas Discussion: Agent Finder, Black Holes Needs a banner here.. |
Mr R4nd0m
Ministry Of Mining And Industry Shit.Happens
1
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:26:00 -
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Two step wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:Quote: CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.
How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Look at this way.. If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will. If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not Again, you still aren't getting it. As a leader of my corporation, I have invaded the home wormholes of people that voted for me, blew up all their POSes and ships, and stole the mods that dropped. This is just fine, and those people still talk to me about CSM stuff. What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game. We still get to play the game, any way we want to. If you don't like that, I don't give a ****.
This is the worse possible answer you could give, and your dont give a f*** attitude is all wrong. Please hand in your resignation...douche |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
57
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:28:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m wrote:Two step wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:Quote: CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.
How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Look at this way.. If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will. If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not Again, you still aren't getting it. As a leader of my corporation, I have invaded the home wormholes of people that voted for me, blew up all their POSes and ships, and stole the mods that dropped. This is just fine, and those people still talk to me about CSM stuff. What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game. We still get to play the game, any way we want to. If you don't like that, I don't give a ****. This is the worse possible answer you could give, and your dont give a f*** attitude is all wrong. Please hand in your resignation...douche Mr Random, you need to get a life. Now you are down to name calling. How big of you. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
450
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:29:00 -
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Two step wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:Quote: CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.
How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Look at this way.. If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will. If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not Again, you still aren't getting it. As a leader of my corporation, I have invaded the home wormholes of people that voted for me, blew up all their POSes and ships, and stole the mods that dropped. This is just fine, and those people still talk to me about CSM stuff. What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game. We still get to play the game, any way we want to. If you don't like that, I don't give a ****.
oh dear..You keep digging that grave... |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
31
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:White Tree wrote:Seleene wrote: Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies? No we're all basically scum. We've actually been compared to the Reich several times completely casually. You stay classy EVE-O. Look, we all know you guys made faustian deals to get on the CSM and that the amount of baby-eating you did is directly proportional to the number of votes you got. So really, the only question is: which works best, HP sauce or ketchup?
I prefer Heinz 57 Steak Sauce, myself...But then, I'm just a "pubbie," so what do I know. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
621
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:30:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Tippia wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people. Because the CSM have so far delivered on what the CSM is supposed to do. Also, because there is zero indication that the CSM are scamming people. Quote:If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? No. They will see that character as someone who can't be trusted GÇö they have no clue wither the person behind it or not can be, because they don't know him (or her). Quote:So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. By expecting them to be able to make the distinction between character and person. Are you really stupid! If a person is character, they are still that person in real life scamming. Are you mad? Go away jeez now your making me mad never mind the other people...get out, get out now...im going to get a coffee to calm down..
Sir, are you a member of the Ministry of War in real life? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
545
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:30:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Are you really stupid! If a person is character, they are still that person in real life scamming. No. JustGǪ no.
Scamming in a game where scamming is allowed, and even actively encouraged, does not make the person playing that game as a scammer a scammer in real life. Rather, it makes that person knowledgeable about the game, its mechanics, and its rules, and rather makes him a good candidate to discuss the game with its designers.
Just because I capture the whole board in Monopoly does not mean I own any hotels in real life, or that I will screw you out of your every last penny, or that I prefer to stay in jail for as long as possible to avoid paying money to other peopleGǪ Instead, me doing all those things in monopoly simply means that I know how to play the game. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
545
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:32:00 -
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Just Another Toon wrote:oh dear..You keep digging that grave... Well sure GÇö it needs to be quite deep to fit you inside, seeing as how you can't even answer these simple questions:
How is the CSM corrupt? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥?
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
29
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:33:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Are you really stupid! If a person is character, they are still that person in real life scamming. Are you mad? Go away jeez now your making me mad never mind the other people...get out, get out now...im going to get a coffee to calm down..
This in an MMORPG. The player is free to RP a character with moral defects that will do things in game the player would ever consider IRL.
VaMei generally follows my RL ethics. He's never attacked anyone that did not start the fight, and has never taken a dishonet isk from anyone in his 6 years of Eve. Some of my other characters are not so... scrupulous, but their personality does not reflect what anyone would ever see from me IRL. |
Just Another Toon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
451
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Posted - 2011.10.17 13:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Just Another Toon wrote:oh dear..You keep digging that grave... Well sure GÇö it needs to be quite deep to fit you inside, seeing as how you can't even answer these simple questions: How is the CSM corrupt? Where's the abuse? How is it connected to their GÇ£positions of trustGÇ¥?
The questions have been answered, perhaps you find it difficult to read. over 400 personal likes and 50+topic likes, still says alot of people agree with me, Like it or not tippia..
Anyway i really cant answer any more your posts, i know you probably stamping your feet like a 2 year old, but its time you went back in your play pen |
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