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Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.04.07 17:16:00 -
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[[FOR IMMEDIATE RELASE: ATTN FEDERATION SENATE, OFFICE OF PRESIDENT, ISHUKONE CORPORATION, CHIEF EXECUTIVE PANEL]]
Following the removal of Caldari State military forces from the surface of Intaki Prime, and from orbit, and the GMVA's declaration of no additional territorial advances against Caldari State systems in their sphere of influence, we look now to the terrible humanitarian situation underway in the Placid populated worlds.
With the continued fighting in Placid, and the removal of the Blind Auction's effects by State Executor Tibus Heth, Ishukone Corporation and Mordus Legion has been evacuated from Intaki Prime. This leaves the planet gravely underdefended and after the various raids by Caldari State militants and national forces, there's been significant destruction levied against the planet.
While I understand that the Ishukone Corporation cannot be expected to fight the Caldari Providence Directorate directly in their efforts to maintain trade with the Intaki Assembly in the Intaki system, we must reach a similar compromise with that of Caldari Prime, where the civilians on the planet's surface where under threat of military action.
I make a direct entreaty to President Roden, the Senate of the Federation, Ishukone Corporation, and the Chief Executive Panel, to declare the entire Intaki System an invalid target for either the Caldari State Protectorate or the Federal Defense Union, in the continuing wars under the mandate of the Militia War Powers Act, passed by the CONCORD Assembly.
If we wish to bring some semblance of normality and prosperity again to our worlds, we must protect those citizens on our respective planets from the atrocities of war and the ravages of blockade and cosmopolitical chaos.
We hope to receive a response from the various involved parties, and wish to again thank those that have begun relief efforts to the Intaki people on Intaki Prime's surface, your services are much appreciated in these dark times.
Thank you.
-Julianus Soter |
BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
118
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Posted - 2013.04.07 17:56:00 -
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I would love to see this happen. However.
The request is highly unfair. To do this Intaki would effectively be excluded from the CEWPA treaty entirely.
Why is this homeworld and it's system special? Because it is the cradle of Intaki civilization? The Assembly once controlled and had colonized nearly all of Placid. If Intaki is to be excluded, why not any other system in the region?
I would directly request of the Senate and the office of the President that they aim to make a peace-treaty with the State and end the war entirely. It's the only sure way to stop any and all ill-effects of war from Placid, Verge Vendor and any other region affected.
It would be the only way to start returning the Federation to what it was supposed to be.
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Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
99
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:04:00 -
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A final, lasting peace between the State and Federation is of course our primary desire. For the immediate situation, however, we must take concrete steps to protect against loss of life until a negotiate settlement is possible. |
IDENTITY REDACTED
Caldari Office Of Naval Intelligence
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:10:00 -
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So for some reason the people of the Intaki system deserve special treatment then the millions of other that live other systems that make up the war zone? Seriously what makes Intaki so special? Its not even been hit as hard as say Evaulon, the system to have an entire city glassed from orbit. Intaki has a few skirmishes on it and suddenly it is more impotent then the rest? Intaki has probably seen less destruction then the majority of Placid, when its under State sovereignty its protected by Ishukone and the Legion, when its under Federal sovereignty its still protected by the Legion and its had a steady supply of aid from organisations like the ILF and I-RED.
Your also asking something that many others have been asking of the senate for years now. ILF, I-RED and a few other acronyms have been pleading for the same thing for years now and it has always fallen on deaf ears. Why should the Senate listen now? |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
99
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Posted - 2013.04.07 18:13:00 -
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The situation in the warzone has changed significantly. With the possibility of reprisal attacks by rogue Caldari State factions like the Templis Drangonars, we must move to protect human life wherever possible. Unfortunately, from a utilitarian point of view, that means protecting the largest population centers in the area of the war.
The homeworld of Intaki Prime is the candidate in this case. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
802
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Posted - 2013.04.07 19:00:00 -
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I support this motion. The worlds in the CEWPA are, for the most part, sparsely settled colonies focused around resource generation and NOT culturally rich homelands of ancient civilisations. So long as Intaki remains in the CEWPA zone it will continue to be a strategic football and I'm sure that Msr Soter understands that just because the wheel is spinning one way at the moment, this doesn't mean it won't be spinning the other - possibly in a very short time.
To have a world like Intaki up for grabs is an abrogation of common sense. |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
895
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Posted - 2013.04.07 21:34:00 -
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While I understand your notion, I must take one simple issue with it.
The Intaki people work with Ishukone by choice. Yes, Ishukone was given State-side development rights but they have exercised those rights with the cooperation and approval of the Intaki people and the Federation. Removing Ishukone from the system is a Federation-side breach of the agreement to allow their operations there and disregards entirely the will of the Intaki people on the matter.
Perhaps a wiser and more democratic proposal would be to submit an inquiry to the Intaki people and their governance to state their will on the matter and have that will submitted to the Federal Senate for consideration. ~Malcolm Khross
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
802
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Posted - 2013.04.07 21:40:00 -
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What's wrong with removing Intaki from the CEWPA area and allowing the local government to sign contracts with whoever the hell they feel like signing contracts with? |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
103
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Posted - 2013.04.07 23:48:00 -
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Gasp. . . me agreeing with Pieter Tullinen? What have the stars come to. . . |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
811
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Posted - 2013.04.08 00:06:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Gasp. . . me agreeing with Pieter Tullinen? What have the stars come to. . .
Note how quickly you had my support when you said something I thought was reasonable! |
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
150
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Posted - 2013.04.08 01:53:00 -
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One wonders if the new shirt has altered your brain chemistry. |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
902
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Posted - 2013.04.08 02:11:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:What's wrong with removing Intaki from the CEWPA area and allowing the local government to sign contracts with whoever the hell they feel like signing contracts with?
Absolutely nothing. Read what I've written. Such an initiative should be submitted for the Intaki to consider and decide upon, it should not be decided for them. Particularly given the existence of Mordu's Legion and Ishukone assets already present in the infrastructure and development of the system. Assets and infrastructure the Intaki people have already ratified for themselves. ~Malcolm Khross
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
818
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Posted - 2013.04.08 02:27:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:One wonders if the new shirt has altered your brain chemistry.
Great Maker! I don't actually DRINK the stuff, Rinai - I just like the shirt! |
Aquila Shadow
Midnight Security Consulting
137
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Posted - 2013.04.08 03:34:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:The situation in the warzone has changed significantly. With the possibility of reprisal attacks by rogue Caldari State factions like the Templis Drangonars, we must move to protect human life wherever possible. Unfortunately, from a utilitarian point of view, that means protecting the largest population centers in the area of the war.
The homeworld of Intaki Prime is the candidate in this case.
Somehow i doubt that simply removing Intaki from the CEWPA will stop the Templis Dragonaurs if they wanted to attack the system. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword" |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
150
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Posted - 2013.04.08 03:57:00 -
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Aquila Shadow wrote:Julianus Soter wrote:The situation in the warzone has changed significantly. With the possibility of reprisal attacks by rogue Caldari State factions like the Templis Drangonars, we must move to protect human life wherever possible. Unfortunately, from a utilitarian point of view, that means protecting the largest population centers in the area of the war.
The homeworld of Intaki Prime is the candidate in this case. Somehow i doubt that simply removing Intaki from the CEWPA will stop the Templis Dragonaurs if they wanted to attack the system.
They do tend to be pretty enthusiastic about killing innocent civilians, to be sure. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
818
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Posted - 2013.04.08 08:27:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Aquila Shadow wrote:Julianus Soter wrote:The situation in the warzone has changed significantly. With the possibility of reprisal attacks by rogue Caldari State factions like the Templis Drangonars, we must move to protect human life wherever possible. Unfortunately, from a utilitarian point of view, that means protecting the largest population centers in the area of the war.
The homeworld of Intaki Prime is the candidate in this case. Somehow i doubt that simply removing Intaki from the CEWPA will stop the Templis Dragonaurs if they wanted to attack the system. They do tend to be pretty enthusiastic about killing innocent civilians, to be sure.
I'm not sure why you'd think that they'd focus on the Intaki people especially. Actually, recently, they seem to be focused on anti-CPD elements of State society - which gives them more than enough targets right here at home. |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
103
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Posted - 2013.04.08 08:59:00 -
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Removing Intaki from the CEWPA would enable immediate re-deployment of Mordus Legion and Ishukone security forces as per their original contract with the Intaki assembly. The added protection would be a deterent to non-state actors like the Templis Drangonars paramilitary group. |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
905
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Posted - 2013.04.08 10:14:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Removing Intaki from the CEWPA would enable immediate re-deployment of Mordus Legion and Ishukone security forces as per their original contract with the Intaki assembly. The added protection would be a deterent to non-state actors like the Templis Drangonars paramilitary group.
This, this is acceptable. Again, I would urge you to submit it to the Intaki for their own review and approval, they have expressed a desire for autonomy in the past and respecting that desire may go to great lengths to repair the relationship between you.
It's a suggestion meant in earnest. ~Malcolm Khross
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Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
185
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Posted - 2013.04.08 10:31:00 -
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Interesting
Of course the ILF and IPI welcomes such a move on the part of those now adding their voices to ours, calling for peace in the Intaki system.
Based on experience however, I've got to admit I'm cynical about the longevity of of interest by Moira. and the wider GMVA alliance, and to the real intent behind it.
IDENTITY REDACTED wrote:Your also asking something that many others have been asking of the senate for years now. ILF, I-RED and a few other acronyms have been pleading for the same thing for years now and it has always fallen on deaf ears. Why should the Senate listen now? This is correct.
Suresha Saxon Hawke and the rest of the ILF has repeatedly called for peace in Placid, and specifically a halt to hostilities within the Intaki system for years, and these calls have repeatedly been ignored by the militias. I'm pleased to see that Mr Soter has finally caught up.
It's interesting though that for an organisation that was created to "...protect not only the ideals for which we stand, but the Federation that upholds them..." a call for peace for its citizens is touted as progressive.
The militia should have been securing and holding borders and supporting a de-escalation of hostilities from day one, not pushing aggressively into State territory in Black Rise. But such hostilities are supported with intent to this day. It's disappointing that GMVA's other announcement over the weekend, regarding their apparant "System Capture Moratorium", is being so heavily undermined by the rhetoric of XMETA's CEO, whose actually one of those credited as supporting the initiative.
As to the longevity of interest by GMVA? I recall Moira.'s previous project in the Viriette constellation was to foster a "Center of Commerce" at Agoze IX-2. Some questioned whether this was to challenge the long standing Intaki 5-5 trade hub but regardless, the goal was aborted within a few months as Moira. moved on.
We shall have to wait and see whether they have the patience this time, to pursue peace for Intaki for as long as those of us who actually reside in the system have done.
BloodBird wrote:Why is this homeworld and it's system special? IDENTITY REDACTED wrote:Seriously what makes Intaki so special? Very recently, individual pilots within the FDU have called for Intaki to be boycotted and ignored following their military successes across the conflict zone. It's curious indeed then, that the GMVA should seek to distance itself from these comments, suggesting a positive and significant shift in attutude within the FDU.
Personally I believe that the Federal militia here seeks to play the role of the white knight saviour, portraying a benevolent Federation and playing to their citizenship's appetite for snappy headlines. What better than to ride the optimism from Luminaire with the future stability for Caldari Prime, and the removal of a perceived threat to Gallente Prime, by going on to champion peace for the Intaki home world?
If the GMVA wish to support their calls here with action, then support the ILF and IPI in our request for the Senate and Assembly to officially transfer administrative and military control of the station above Intaki II away from the FDU to Mordu's Legion command.
Despite the recent challenges by the Templis Dragonaurs, Mordu's Legion continues to fulfill it's duties as contracted by the Intaki Assembly with visible operations ongoing close to Intaki 5-5 in support of Ishukone shipping and the facilities of Intaki II can only improve their effectiveness.
Bataav en Gravonere IPI & ILF Diplomat
Intaki Endures! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
405
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Posted - 2013.04.08 11:01:00 -
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Julianus Soter wrote:Removing Intaki from the CEWPA would enable immediate re-deployment of Mordus Legion and Ishukone security forces as per their original contract with the Intaki assembly. The added protection would be a deterent to non-state actors like the Templis Drangonars paramilitary group. Removing Intaki from the CEWPA is totally interesting idea, and I fully support it, but on one condition: by removing the solar system from CEWPA it should permanently change sovereignty to Caldari State.
Disregarding of current occupation, this system belongs to Ishukone. |
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2404
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Posted - 2013.04.08 11:05:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:by removing the solar system from CEWPA it should permanently change sovereignty to Caldari State. No.
Diana Kim wrote:Disregarding of current occupation, this system belongs to Ishukone. Wrong. Mane 614
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Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
53
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Posted - 2013.04.08 11:06:00 -
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You do yourself a (further) diservice Kim-haani. Intaki belongs to the Intaki, Ishukone merely hold development rights. The two are nothing alike. |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Tactical Response Directive
906
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Posted - 2013.04.08 11:46:00 -
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Anja Suorsa wrote:You do yourself a (further) diservice Kim-haani. Intaki belongs to the Intaki, Ishukone merely hold development rights. The two are nothing alike.
So glad I didn't have to repeat myself. Thank you. ~Malcolm Khross
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
405
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Posted - 2013.04.08 11:49:00 -
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Anja Suorsa wrote:You do yourself a (further) diservice Kim-haani. Intaki belongs to the Intaki, Ishukone merely hold development rights. The two are nothing alike. I do neither service nor diservice to myself. I serve the State. Ishukone did invest resources into Intaki development, and I have to protect assets of the State, even if Ishukone neglects them. These resources belong to our nation. If Ishukone doesn't need them, we still do, and the State could use them for military effort. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2405
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Posted - 2013.04.08 11:51:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:These resources belong to our nation. No they don't. Mane 614
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iyammarrok
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.04.08 12:49:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote: Removing Intaki from the CEWPA is totally interesting idea, and I fully support it, but on one condition: by removing the solar system from CEWPA it should permanently change sovereignty to Caldari State.
Disregarding of current occupation, this system belongs to Ishukone.
The Intaki people are not of the State. The Intaki system is the property of the Intaki people
If you're claiming that it should be given to the Ishukone corporation due to the recent occupation of the space surrounding it and the illegal auction of the planetary bodies in the system to State corporations, then you are also claiming, by exactly the same merit, that all of Luminaire should be controlled by the Federation.
Your hypocrisy is showing again kim. Do the cluster a favour and biomass yourself. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
301
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Posted - 2013.04.08 12:57:00 -
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Quote: Do the cluster a favour and biomass yourself.
You know, as much as one can disagree with Kim-haani, but empty statements like these just show your utter impotence when all you do is talk. Come to think of it, this is a rather fitting thread for such a display. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
iyammarrok
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
44
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:07:00 -
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Empty? It is a statement born of both irritation and sincere hope. not that I expect that she will listen.
To question your own statement though, do you expect me to find Kim while she is out of her capsule, kill her there, and then find and erase any stored clone data she has? Joining the FDU and fighting her in space would not cause my requested result. She is a capsuleer. The cluster would be a better place without warmongers and hypocrites like Kim in it. Therefore my words were both logical and correct.
I don't condone the use of terrorists to remove the clones of my enemies. So i have to appeal to their own sense of honour, even if it is almost impossible to reach. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
301
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:16:00 -
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Impotent, like I said. Just continue to lament about the impossible and hone your skills with sharp words. Maybe they'll sting sometime. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
iyammarrok
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
46
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Posted - 2013.04.08 13:35:00 -
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You know... you should probably leave the talking to Malcolm Khross and Pieter Tuulinen, they are far more capable. That is part of how your meritocracy works, right... those who are best at a task are the ones who should perform that task?
As for 'impossible', while unlikely, it is not impossible that Kim would decide to biomass. What is impossible is to permanently kill her in space.
I'm sure that you understand at least that much, don't you? Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
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